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skylined! posted:didn't mcconnell say in his little bitchy speach last night that it was time to move on I wonder if Ryan could mess that all up though and try to pass another house bill. 
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Can someone give me the exact time on the video when Ted Kennedy's spirit floated back out of McCain to return to Valhalla?
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TACD posted:Yea, as a UK-er who's been mostly avoiding US politics of late: How dead is ACA repeal now? I remember the first attempt failing to pass the house a while back, then this version came along and nearly got there... will we see yet another attempt in a few months' time? As long as we have more republicans in the house and senate than we do democrats, they'll be attempting this. We wrote it off as dead last time and it keeps coming back. If it takes them 4 years to write a bill that kills the poor and unfortunate, then every pen stroke, every key pressed, every syllable vocalized was worth it to them. Republicans hate the poor and people of color.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:07
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Kylra posted:Considering the stakes of something like this, I don't know if looking away is necessarily an option for at least some of the people here. Posting increasingly wrong takes isn't doing something about it, it's wallowing.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:09
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Kylra posted:Yeah. And Trump tweeted to that effect too. all dogs deserve vetcare imo
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FizFashizzle posted:lol i just realized heller voted yes for no reason This is the weird part. I assume it is to facilitate primary challenges... but how do you primary any of these people? McCain and Collins are clearly not planning on running for reelection, and the Senator from Alaska has such a large personal vote she can win even if no self identified republicans vote for her. I don't even know how you threaten this people? None of them need the GOP to do anything for them. Zinke's threats are even going to blow up in his face. Cthulhu Dreams fucked around with this message at 12:13 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Ripoff posted:As long as we have more republicans in the house and senate than we do democrats, they'll be attempting this. We wrote it off as dead last time and it keeps coming back. If it takes them 4 years to write a bill that kills the poor and unfortunate, then every pen stroke, every key pressed, every syllable vocalized was worth it to them. Republicans hate the poor and people of color. They don't have 4 years. They don't have a year. If they don't get their poo poo together, they might have even less power to pass it in 2018 than they do now, and it's not just a question of gaining or losing seats. Motherfuckers that were for this have to worry about being primaried too, because this is MASSIVELY loving unpopular. So you'll still keep an R seat, but it's an R that ran on "I won't take your healthcare away unlike this rear end in a top hat".
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Relevant Tangent posted:Posting increasingly wrong takes isn't doing something about it, it's wallowing. ya covok's post history is peppered with 'they're gonna pass this 100% and we're all gonna die!!!' chicken-littling sadbrain idiocy everyone has a right and probably needs to be afraid of this congress and administration, but covok's level of impotent whining is useless, unproductive and dangerous
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Jul 28, 2017 12:11
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FizFashizzle posted:lol i just realized heller voted yes for no reason He didn't want Steve Wynn to claw his eyes out.
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Dick Trauma posted:Can someone give me the exact time on the video when Ted Kennedy's spirit floated back out of McCain to return to Valhalla? Don't you mean Niflheim? There's no way Ted Kennedy would end up in Valhalla.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:12
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DreamShipWrecked posted:My understanding is that the bill is not completely dead, but instead sent back to committee for a reworking. Given how brutally unpopular it is, they basically sent it into amendment hell and no one will want to even touch it now. It's effectively dead in this form. Bills rarely actually die via a straight vote on the floor. They nearly always get sent back to committee where they sit until the end of the session (when they formally die). I believe that the only thing special about the reconciliation bill is that it dies at the end of the fiscal year instead of the end of the congressional session. "We'll send it back to committee for work" is still the legislative equivalent of "oh Fido went to live on a farm in the country where he can chase rabbits".
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Jul 28, 2017 12:13
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Relevant Tangent posted:Posting increasingly wrong takes isn't doing something about it, it's wallowing. I'm pretty ambivalent in regards to Covok personally. skylined! posted:all dogs deserve vetcare imo
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Woke up to this and knew good things had happened: https://twitter.com/mitchellvii/status/890885045669564417 thanks Mav!  Actually went back to page 1816 to feel the magic in real time, it's pretty magnificent and I highly recommend to anyone else that fell asleep before the fireworks.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:18
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skylined! posted:didn't mcconnell say in his little bitchy speach last night that it was time to move on And they are, to NDAA, but he intends to come back. My guess: work with Democrats to pass a bill mostly on their votes, to get it to Conference and try to make it skinny repeal Mk 2 once there
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Jul 28, 2017 12:18
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Cthulhu Dreams posted:This is the weird part. I assume it is to facilitate primary challenges... but how do you primary any of these people? McCain and Collins are clearly not planning on running for reelection, and the Senator from Alaska has such a large personal vote she can win even if no self identified republicans vote for her. I think it's less about primary challengers and more about his big donor drying up ifnhenvoted no.
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To my fellow readers joining us from home at this early hour, some others perhaps also after a long, grueling, disheartening night shift helping people with uncontrolled medical problems and limited access to healthcare, this is the first point in the thread where it was confirmed that McCain rose to the occasion: And I think this was the first post where people started to realize that hope perhaps was not dead: DaveWoo posted:https://twitter.com/StevenTDennis/status/890787768510464000 Beautiful. I don't know who said it, but one comment in here was [paraphrased], "I hope the call McCain took was from Trump, and he said, 'gently caress you, Mr. President.'" I like to think so too. Because, you know: gently caress you, Mr. President.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:22
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I think it's less about primary challengers and more about his big donor drying up ifnhenvoted no. Why would that specifically affect McCain and not the other 47 Republican senators?
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Jul 28, 2017 12:22
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Wow, man, you guys. What a ride. Woke up to 1600 posts. I was completely sure it was going to turn out to be because it passed and everyone was casting themselves into the pit of despair. But I didn't look at the news and I read through the whole thread anyway. Like I said. Whew. What a ride.  He attac He protec
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Jul 28, 2017 12:23
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Bill Mitchell looks like the guy all Disney villains were based on.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:25
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I don't envy the person whose job it will be to babysit Trump this weekend.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:27
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https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/890894713448017921 This is why there's been no tweetstorm yet.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:30
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Looking back, it's kind of funny that we were all keyed up and fighting to keep the lovely insurance that we hate just because the bill was so much more cruel
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Jul 28, 2017 12:31
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Looking back, it's kind of funny that we were all keyed up and fighting to keep the lovely insurance that we hate just because the bill was so much more cruel This is my broken stick and I will fuckin end you if you take it
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Jul 28, 2017 12:32
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Gort posted:Why would that specifically affect McCain and not the other 47 Republican senators? Talking about Heller, who is near Sheldon Adelson's turf and supposedly got a call from him
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Jul 28, 2017 12:32
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BIG HEADLINE posted:https://twitter.com/SenJohnMcCain/status/890823047522824192 Pro-tip, he responds to just about any Twitter troll
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Jul 28, 2017 12:36
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Covok posted:This is too perfect! He's about to loving cry! How could Victory tastes so sweet!? He's on the verge of tears! God this is great even if something bad happens afterwards this is a serious victory that we all needed. I'd like to quote this so everyone remembers the actual MO of "nothing matters" people. Xombie fucked around with this message at 12:41 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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Jul 28, 2017 12:38
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Celebrating that millions get to keep their health care despite the best attempts of people who at least nominally control the government and are crying they failed to take it away seems like a pretty good MO to me.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:43
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Hahaha fuckinn John McCain saving us all after all What a world to wake up to Good timeline again?
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Hahaha I wake up to the best news ever. loving  .
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Jul 28, 2017 12:49
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DreamShipWrecked posted:Looking back, it's kind of funny that we were all keyed up and fighting to keep the lovely insurance that we hate just because the bill was so much more cruel
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Jul 28, 2017 12:49
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Repeal isn't dead, but moving forward is going to be difficult. The repeal was undertaken at the exclusion of almost other business, including a raise of the debt ceiling. McCain still needs to undergo cancer treatment and it is unclear if/when he will be back. Leadership has lost a lot of credibility to move forward.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:52
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Shifty Pony posted:Woke up this morning... pulled up WashingtonPost.com and... I literally went to bed early last night so I could sleep telling myself that there was still a chance the vote would fail *Pinches self*
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Jul 28, 2017 12:53
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Kylra posted:Celebrating that millions get to keep their health care despite the best attempts of people who at least nominally control the government and are crying they failed to take it away seems like a pretty good MO to me. "Celebrating". Sure. Whatever way they don't have to admit they were wrong, dumb, and misinformed while bandwagoning onto the "winning" opinion, I guess. "I was on your side all along!" Sorry, nope. gently caress off.
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For me it just shows how bad McConnell hosed up to lose McCain's vote. Someone who always votes with the party line while warning that he might flip did just that to our surprise. It's not like he didn't warn them.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:56
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Pollyanna posted:I can't wait to see trump's tweets about the matter. He sent out a tweet just after things the vote failed.
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Jul 28, 2017 12:57
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Pollyanna posted:I can't wait to see trump's tweets about the matter. fox and friends isn't covering it so he probably hasn't gotten ginned up yet about it
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So just a reconciliation question, if they have another go at it would it still be considered to be under the same reconciliation bill, or is it dead now so they would have to use next years? From my limited understanding or it's the former, as it only counts if it passes?
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Mike Pence also failed last night. This should signal how lame his presidency will be once Trump is out of office
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Xombie posted:"Celebrating". Sure. Whatever way they don't have to admit they were wrong, dumb, and misinformed while bandwagoning onto the "winning" opinion, I guess. 
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