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the bitcoin of weed posted:it's also inspired a ton of fat nerds to publicly shame themselves by dressing up in larper gear to fight an enemy that basically doesn't exist. they're so terrified of being punched by communists that they're going out in public every other weekend to rapidly fill their diapers with terror urine without any prompting from anyone else and it owns And that one klansman to literally racism himself to death.
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but yeah if i go "maybe it was too far to drop an anvil on the guy's head" and my communist friend replies that i may have nazi sympathies while reaching for the red button marked "anvil release" i might get a little nervous - i'm just saying
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Al! posted:oh i see, you dont understand what antifa is. it's a reactionary movement to a social pathogen. it doesn't have any aims except to practice community self defense and teach communities how to self police. it is distinct from black bloc (you notice that black bloc doesn't attack anyone but the police, and are mostly focused on doing property damage and keeping police away from peaceful protesters). Well, maybe I don't. Gotta admit I haven't looked into them as much as I should have. What do they mean by "self police" though?
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:this does own
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sure there are of course people who affiliate themselves with antifa who say and do stupid poo poo, but what are you going to do in a decentralized org, and as far as i know antifa isn't driving into rural areas and ambushing people, which is what the right does when the right gets too bold (this poo poo used to happen all the time in portland in the 60s and 70s, people would drive into town looking for faggots and hippies to beat up and the police would look the other way)
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Well, maybe I don't. Gotta admit I haven't looked into them as much as I should have. What do they mean by "self police" though? https://twitter.com/Indybay/status/884158998840303618
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It actually makes intuitive sense that they'd be easily catastrophically shook cause at least a third of their ideology's based on fear and suspicion.
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Captain_Maclaine posted:And that one klansman to literally racism himself to death. poor Forrest, thought of Muslims and died
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you might be thinking "all they were trying to do is demonstrate their free speech" but historically, when fascist groups are allowed to threaten a community unopposed they tend to come back later, at night, with baseball bats
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Al! posted:you might be thinking "all they were trying to do is demonstrate their free speech" but historically, when fascist groups are allowed to threaten a community unopposed they tend to come back later, at night, with baseball bats Yeah but let's be real about the type of people who are in the alt-right.
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Jul 28, 2017 22:28
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Yeah but let's be real about the type of people who are in the alt-right. yes and the point is to keep making them look pathetic and weak, because otherwise they start to get bold which is what was happening in november until richard spencer got punched in the face and completely reorganized their priorites away from (again, publicly, their internet presence is not that important to the goals of self defense) attacking women, immigrants, muslims and transgendered people. the berkley riot stopped milo from reading a list of individual people he wanted attacked
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:see it's that kind of eerie show trial motive questioning combined with endorsing violence that gets me icked out. sue me. "All violence is bad" is a good stance except right now it's leading you to defend people who commit said violence against the most vulnerable because their opponents seem rude
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modern anarchism is scary to ppl i agree, because it's not based in the teachings of the enlightenment. you should also understand that most anarchists don't believe that utopia as they envision it can happen before communism, which is often why there is tension btwn anarchists and communists because anarchists believe often their ultimate role will be to tear down the communist state for a society that is post-authority (and that will require a lot of infrastructure to already be in place which communists are really good at).
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after the anarchists tear down the authority im gonna do a big fascism and everyone will thank me for freeing them from the burden of direct democracy
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deadgoon posted:after the anarchists tear down the authority im gonna do a big fascism and everyone will thank me for freeing them from the burden of direct democracy I will punch your face in public and make you cry, starting this whole tedious debate over again
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Crane Fist posted:I will punch your face in public and make you cry, starting this whole tedious debate over again the masses will take my side when i offer them roadside assistance
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deadgoon posted:the masses will take my side when i offer them roadside assistance gently caress!!!!!
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Yeah but let's be real about the type of people who are in the alt-right. Look at any photo of a lynch mob. They aren't exactly statuesque models of the Aryan ideal, but they'll enforce their hate with violence all the same if they feel safe enough to get away with it.
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Heaven Spacey posted:Look at any photo of a lynch mob. They aren't exactly statuesque models of the Aryan ideal, but they'll enforce their hate with violence all the same if they feel safe enough to get away with it. and again, the important thing is to keep them fighting antifa, largely white kids like themselves of similar socioeconomic status, to keep their attention focused on that rather than more vulnerable targets
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Crane Fist posted:"All violence is bad" is a good stance except right now it's leading you to defend people who commit said violence against the most vulnerable because their opponents seem rude It doesn't have anything to do with rudeness, and nobody's defending them in the sense of saying anything they do is good. Al! posted:modern anarchism is scary to ppl i agree, because it's not based in the teachings of the enlightenment. you should also understand that most anarchists don't believe that utopia as they envision it can happen before communism, which is often why there is tension btwn anarchists and communists because anarchists believe often their ultimate role will be to tear down the communist state for a society that is post-authority (and that will require a lot of infrastructure to already be in place which communists are really good at). This is hardcore derailing now but I think anarchy would be just as impossible post-Communism as pre-Communism. But that's interesting they kind of have the same relationship with commies us social democrats do in that we want the same thing in the short term but not the long term (unless the commies are accelerationists, then we don't agree on anything).
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deadgoon posted:the masses will take my side when i offer them roadside assistance I am hastily shaving my head and practising my sieg heil, my worldview refuted
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Jeb! Repetition posted:This is hardcore derailing now but I think anarchy would be just as impossible post-Communism as pre-Communism. But that's interesting they kind of have the same relationship with commies us social democrats do in that we want the same thing in the short term but not the long term (unless the commies are accelerationists, then we don't agree on anything). thats fine, anarchists also tend to believe utopianism is pointless!!!!! its a confusing an contradictory and non-enlightened worldview and we like it that way............................... we tend to win converts through seduction 
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Jeb! Repetition posted:It doesn't have anything to do with rudeness, and nobody's defending them in the sense of saying anything they do is good. Inaction in the face of fascism is complicity Also less histrionically if punching them is bad what should we do. Leaving them alone obviously isn't an option and the whole "give them a platform and they'll embarrass themselves" has been shown to fail over and over again some plague rats has issued a correction as of 23:59 on Jul 28, 2017 |
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jews controllin g jews???? now ive seen everything
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Crane Fist posted:Inaction in the face of fascism is complicity Tell people why not being a fascist is self-evidently better?
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Maybe we could have a rally, write some signs that calmly lay out the benefits of the liberal worldview
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I was a skinhead until someone shouted at me in the street "Hey it's bad to hate people" now I'm a Buddhist monk
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Crane Fist posted:Maybe we could have a rally, write some signs that calmly lay out the benefits of the liberal worldview You have to convince people of stuff in a democracy, yeah.
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Namaste
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Jeb! Repetition posted:You have to convince people of stuff in a democracy, yeah. How do you plan to do this
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Crane Fist posted:I was a skinhead until someone shouted at me in the street "Hey it's bad to hate people" now I'm a Buddhist monk I'm not saying you'll persuade the alt-righters themselves (although you might, because of how many of them used to be liberals) but that's how you keep them from spreading their ideas and getting political power. Presenting better ideas.
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Just lay it out for me. I've got a plan- the punch doctrine- that I've explained in depth multiple times. What do you advocate apart from "let's all just get along man" platitudes
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Crane Fist posted:Just lay it out for me. I've got a plan- the punch doctrine- that I've explained in depth multiple times. What do you advocate apart from "let's all just get along man" platitudes Argue for something better than fascism; donate, campaign and vote for candidates who aren't fascist; and report fascists if they commit crimes inspired by their worldview. That pretty much covers it.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Tell people why not being a fascist is self-evidently better? i went out to the counterprotest after the nazis decided to go forward with a rally after that guy slit those three guys throats in portland for coming to the defense of two muslim women. there was a trump supporter on the counterprotesting side, holding a sign that said "poor lives matter." two socialists, bless their hearts, were trying to calmly explain to him that the polices of the trump administration would actually hurt the poor more than help, and he kept shouting fake news in their faces. iirc eventually he was ejected by the police for trying to pick fistfights with union organizers.
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'just talk down the nazi' is kinda loving tricky if you're in one of the many kinds of minorities that nazism defines as lesser degenerates
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Al! posted:i went out to the counterprotest after the nazis decided to go forward with a rally after that guy slit those three guys throats in portland for coming to the defense of two muslim women. there was a trump supporter on the counterprotesting side, holding a sign that said "poor lives matter." two socialists, bless their hearts, were trying to calmly explain to him that the polices of the trump administration would actually hurt the poor more than help, and he kept shouting fake news in their faces. iirc eventually he was ejected by the police for trying to pick fistfights with union organizers. Well, protests aren't places to convince other protesters, they're a place to convince bystanders.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Argue for something better than fascism; donate, campaign and vote for candidates who aren't fascist; and report fascists if they commit crimes inspired by their worldview. That pretty much covers it. Crane Fist posted:Just lay it out for me. I've got a plan- the punch doctrine- that I've explained in depth multiple times. What do you advocate apart from "let's all just get along man" platitudes Is there any reason why you two seem to be trying to talk politics with the least amount of effort possible?
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Jeb! Repetition posted:Argue for something better than fascism; donate, campaign and vote for candidates who aren't fascist; and report fascists if they commit crimes inspired by their worldview. That pretty much covers it. go back to the Weimar Republic w/ this poo poo
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