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All Warriors of the Deep needs to be a good story is a few more passes on the script and an electrical failure in the lighting.
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Vinylshadow posted:At least we have several seasons worth of Audio and Comics for Colin that redeem his Doctor Yeah, if Big Finish has accomplished nothing else (and it has accomplished so much else), it's shown us what the 6th Doctor era could and should have been.
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Jul 30, 2017 10:16
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corn in the bible posted:If you haven't seen McCoy's stuff do that, it's good. Oh yes, I've seen all the rest of Doctor Who in colour and most of the available black and white stuff. Just never managed to make it through Colin. But yes The Curse of Fenric is the best Doctor Who story ever made.
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Jul 30, 2017 10:41
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Curse of Fenric is great, and has so many little stories running in it alongside the main one. Might have to watch it again soon.
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Jul 30, 2017 11:26
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I like how frankly it confronts Ace's adolescence and how weird and confusing sexuality can be when it gets going. Back in the day you didn't see a lot of that directed at girls.
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Jul 30, 2017 11:29
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Man, why am I watching Warriors of the Deep instead of rewatching The Curse of Fenric for the hundredth timeMrL_JaKiri posted:Warriors of the Deep is an interesting one, because every single bit of the world building is marvellous and every single bit of the actual story relies on everyone, the Doctor included, acting like a complete moron to get the next plot point. I'm at the end of the first episode and yep, there's the Doctor trying to prove he isn't a hostile intruder by threatening the base with a nuclear explosion. EDIT: *The Doctor drops three feet into a shallow pool of water* Tegan: Oh we should probably help hi- Turlough: NO HE'S DROWNED THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO WE'RE ON OUR OWN NOW HE'S DEAD MEAT TEGAN EDIT2: The Silurians seem to have a computer interface that consists entirely of just two buttons, and you always have to first press the button on the left and then very carefully push the button on the right, and this sequence may accomplish anything from opening a door to reviving a squad of comatose Sea Devils Forktoss fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Jul 30, 2017 |
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Jul 30, 2017 11:31
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Jerusalem posted:RTD (chain smoking): Oh God what was the name of Martha's fiance.... Todd? Was it Todd? I think it might have been Todd? I guess I should look it up... oh God is that the time? This loving deadline! gently caress it.... she marries.... Mickey why not? Yeah that'll do. It's because they're Smith & Jones. Whether that's a good reason is up for debate
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Jul 30, 2017 11:46
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Forktoss posted:The Silurians seem to have a computer interface that consists entirely of just two buttons, and you always have to first press the button on the left and then very carefully push the button on the right, and this sequence may accomplish anything from opening a door to reviving a squad of comatose Sea Devils Classic, even though there's how many years between that episode and that series? The more things change, the more they stay the same
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Jul 30, 2017 13:04
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Vinylshadow posted:At least we have several seasons worth of Audio and Comics for Colin that redeem his Doctor I've heard Colin Baker audios (my favourite is the 6/Jago&Litefoot crossovers), but didn't know about his comics. What are the recommended ones?
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Jul 30, 2017 13:17
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toanoradian posted:I've heard Colin Baker audios (my favourite is the 6/Jago&Litefoot crossovers), but didn't know about his comics. What are the recommended ones? Steve Parkhouse's DWM run is the most classic one, the Voyager stories being often singled out as a high point. Grant Morrison wrote a few Sixth Doctor stories as well - the most famous one of those is probably The World Shapers, which has Six teaming up with Jamie against the Voord and the Cybermen (it was referenced in the Series 10 finale, too).
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Jul 30, 2017 13:26
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Forktoss posted:Steve Parkhouse's DWM run is the most classic one, the Voyager stories being often singled out as a high point. Grant Morrison wrote a few Sixth Doctor stories as well - the most famous one of those is probably The World Shapers, which has Six teaming up with Jamie against the Voord and the Cybermen (it was referenced in the Series 10 finale, too). The one I want to read the most is the graphic novel "The Age of Chaos", with Sixie & Frobisher, written by Colin himself! But with all the reprints over the years, from DWM to IDW ti Titan, no one's ever reprinted that.
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Davros1 posted:The one I want to read the most is the graphic novel "The Age of Chaos", with Sixie & Frobisher, written by Colin himself! But with all the reprints over the years, from DWM to IDW ti Titan, no one's ever reprinted that. Huh, with The Wings of a Butterfly and this, that would make Colin the only Doctor actor who wrote for published audio and comic Doctor Who. That's cool.
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Jul 30, 2017 13:54
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Forktoss posted:The World Shapers, which has Six teaming up with Jamie against the Voord and the Cybermen (it was referenced in the Series 10 finale, too). It was?!
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toanoradian posted:Huh, with The Wings of a Butterfly and this, that would make Colin the only Doctor actor who wrote for published audio and comic Doctor Who. That's cool. I have secret hopes that Capaldi will change that sometime soon. Though I admit I haven't seen anything he's written.
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Jul 30, 2017 14:27
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The_Doctor posted:It was?! Yep! Capaldi mentions Marinus as one of the planets where Cybermen have evolved. Although they did kind of mess up the reference because he also mentions Planet 14 from The Invasion as a separate place of origin for the Cybermen, while The World Shapers goes out of its way to explain that Planet 14 is just another name for Marinus.
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Jul 30, 2017 14:33
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The Moff posted:What would Doctor Who continuity be without a blatant and unresolvable contradiction?
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Forktoss posted:Steve Parkhouse's DWM run is the most classic one, the Voyager stories being often singled out as a high point. Grant Morrison wrote a few Sixth Doctor stories as well - the most famous one of those is probably The World Shapers, which has Six teaming up with Jamie against the Voord and the Cybermen (it was referenced in the Series 10 finale, too). Alright! Time to up my love for the best-dressed Doctor. I'm gonna go scour Russian social media.
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Jul 30, 2017 15:18
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To get inside the head of the Doctor, Matt Smith wrote a story in which the Doctor took Einstein to Ancient Egypt.
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Jul 30, 2017 15:31
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Davros1 posted:To get inside the head of the Doctor, Matt Smith wrote a story in which the Doctor took Einstein to Ancient Egypt. I can't tell if you're joking, and I'm not sure whether or not I want you to be.
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Jul 30, 2017 15:37
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Cleretic posted:I can't tell if you're joking, and I'm not sure whether or not I want you to be. BBC News posted:He describes how he prepared for the role in the first half of 2009, before filming began.  I miss Matt Smith
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Jul 30, 2017 15:40
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matt smith and david tennant are fine actors but their doctors are too perfect and it's kind of annoying. matt smith in particular got saddled with a lot of ridiculous over the top things which he always handled perfectly and understood instantly because he was the Best Person In The Universe. Personally, I enjoy the older stuff where the doctor is really smart of course but still somewhat fallible and flawed. That's not at all the actors' fault, of course, and they did a good job with the material they were given. Really, I don't think any of the Doctor actors over the years have been bad; it's always just dependent on what scripts they're given.
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Jul 30, 2017 16:55
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I'd argue that the Tenth Doctor was full of flaws, which made him an arguably more compelling character than he's given credit for, but the jury is out on whether the writers recognized those as flaws, and the narrative is pretty wishy-washy about it.
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Jul 30, 2017 17:16
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"I don't want to go" is the perfect summation of a major character flaw that sadly only got explored a couple times
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I feel like the ways the Tenth Doctor has been referenced in the Moffat era have addressed his character flaws a bit, and he's come off much more sympathetic to me as a result. He's obviously more self-centered than pretty much any other Doctor, but when he was incumbent it felt like we were not supposed to notice that most of the time and it felt like an elephant in the room the show didn't adequately discuss. Now that he's an elder statesman instead, we've had things like him doing the Oncoming Storm monologue to a rabbit in Day of the Doctor and Eleven admitting he used to have "a bit of an ego problem" in Time of the Doctor. Since Tennant left they have been able to have a bit of fun at his Doctor's expense (which Tennant was never against anyway, I don't think), and that's making his character a lot more likable in retrospect, as well.
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I guess you could say the 10th Doctor was kinda getting his groove back after being War who he wanted to forget, and 9, who was still saddled with guilt over what he (thought he) did as War. So he overcompensated a bit. One concern I do have with Jodie is that I wonder what her relationship is with the show as a fan. I haven't heard her speak much about it, but I'm pretty sure she's not a superwhonerd like Tennant or Capaldi, nor can I see her writing fanfiction and geeking out over Troughton eps like Smith did to get into the role. Of course Eccleston wasn't a huge fan either as far as I know, and he did a great job performing. Though he was quick to leave and not want to come back, which I can never see happening with 10, 11, or 12. I guess it was bound to happen sometime--you aren't always going to get massive fans cast in the role. At least the showrunner is though. When we get some kind of nu-Who done by both an actor and a showrunner who aren't huge fans (or the same stable of writers who have been involved in spin off media for the past 20 years) things could take a massive nosedive. Or not, but looking at the shitshow that is modern Star Trek I don't want to see my other favorite franchise go that way.
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Fair Bear Maiden posted:I'd argue that the Tenth Doctor was full of flaws, which made him an arguably more compelling character than he's given credit for, but the jury is out on whether the writers recognized those as flaws, and the narrative is pretty wishy-washy about it. he's maybe supposed to be arrogant and overconfident, possibly, but that all falls apart because he's literally always right. and sometimes he arbitrarily decides he doesn't like people... but then they always turn out to be bad people or evil somehow afterwards so he's always ultimately vindicated
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Astroman posted:One concern I do have with Jodie is that I wonder what her relationship is with the show as a fan. I haven't heard her speak much about it, but I'm pretty sure she's not a superwhonerd like Tennant or Capaldi, nor can I see her writing fanfiction and geeking out over Troughton eps like Smith did to get into the role. Of course Eccleston wasn't a huge fan either as far as I know, and he did a great job performing. Though he was quick to leave and not want to come back, which I can never see happening with 10, 11, or 12. Sure, William Hartnell wasn't a big fan of the show when he started but he turned out okay.
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Jul 30, 2017 17:52
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Who can forget that classic episode of Doctor Who where he arbitrarily decided he didn't like someone but they turned out to be a bad person or evil somehow so he was ultimately vindicated.
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2house2fly posted:Who can forget that classic episode of Doctor Who where he arbitrarily decided he didn't like someone but they turned out to be a bad person or evil somehow so he was ultimately vindicated. is that the one where he uses a time device to fix the thing?
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Jul 30, 2017 18:26
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The Unfixed Thing is a really good first episode but The Device of Time is a pretty underwhelming conclusion to that two-parter
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Jul 30, 2017 18:29
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I was always a fan of The Adjective Of The Antagonist.
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Forktoss posted:The Unfixed Thing is a really good first episode but The Device of Time is a pretty underwhelming conclusion to that two-parter it was good the first time but the writers keep bringing the unfixed thing back and it kind of ruins it
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Is 10 really more self centered and arrogant than 6
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Hemingway To Go! posted:Is 10 really more self centered and arrogant than 6 Well early six was prepared to consign Peri to spend the rest of her natural life on a lovely comet because he was worried he was wonky post regeneration. He did get a lot more altruistic by Trial though.
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corn in the bible posted:matt smith and david tennant are fine actors but their doctors are too perfect and it's kind of annoying. matt smith in particular got saddled with a lot of ridiculous over the top things which he always handled perfectly and understood instantly because he was the Best Person In The Universe. Personally, I enjoy the older stuff where the doctor is really smart of course but still somewhat fallible and flawed. Eleven was a compulsive liar, and that was never presented as a good thing. The entire (admittedly bad) overarching plot of series 6 was dedicated to his flaws, first with him abusing his own legend and having it backfire spectacularly, then with him running away from a problem for 400 odd years before fixing it in like 30 seconds.
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'Midnight' is all about the Tenth Doctor's personality being a huge problem and almost getting him killed.
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Wheat Loaf posted:Sure, William Hartnell wasn't a big fan of the show when he started but he turned out okay. Those Troughton, Pertwee and Baker fellas were also PRETTY questionable with how they did not know or care about the show but I guess that worked out well enough. Now that Colin Baker, HUGE fan, wonder how his television run went!
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Hemingway To Go! posted:Is 10 really more self centered and arrogant than 6 Ten wasted an entire regeneration because he was too full of himself to accept changing.
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Forktoss posted:Man, why am I watching Warriors of the Deep instead of rewatching The Curse of Fenric for the hundredth time Eric Saward has transferred money to your account. Oh, you should definitely keep exploring the era. 
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Timby posted:Ten wasted an entire regeneration because he was too full of himself to accept changing. Or you might say he regenerated...into himself.  Which makes you wonder why Capaldi wouldn't just do that if he didn't want to change again. The Doctor has shown greater and greater control over the process and the Master has as well ("If the Doctor can be young and strong..."). Plus I would imagine having a whole new cycle would give you a sort of level up, so even without extra hands or Karn potions in theory he should be able to stay the same. Of course he can't, but in universe you have to wonder why.
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