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The same way they cope with people home growing tobacco and lacing it with gasoline.
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So, how hosed are Labour this election? Word is they have no money. Rumours of leadership change. If they did change leader they can't afford to reprint the billboards. Certainly in Greymouth I have seen one billboard for Labour compared with about 6 for National in the same area. Supposedly the MOU with the Green Party is the fault. But no apparent backlash over National having similar deals with Act and Dunne.
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Jul 31, 2017 00:29
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There is nobody in New Zealand better at losing elections than Labour. Blaming the MOU with the Greens is the same poo poo Labour goes through every election. You can't vote Labour because they'll form a government with the Greens who will ruin New Zealand economically! Labour and the Greens are too different ideologically and won't form a stable government! New Zealand First and the Greens don't get on and they country will split apart! It doesn't work the other way around because Act and United Future aren't actual coalition partners - they are welfare parties that exist only as long as National finds them politically useful. The minute they stop being a de facto National vote with an inflated value is the minute they cease to hold power in any form at all.
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Jul 31, 2017 00:46
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Labour seems to have a lot of billboards in chch, I am seeing about 4-1 labour/greens vs national around here. Anyone seen a NZ First one in the wild?
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Jul 31, 2017 00:54
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xiw posted:Labour seems to have a lot of billboards in chch, I am seeing about 4-1 labour/greens vs national around here. Not yet but Winston did pop into the local RSA and pinned a pamphlet on to the notice board.
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Jul 31, 2017 01:01
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computer, do a search for 'why doesn't labour win'exmarx posted:If they still can't manage to articulate an alternative vision for the country a formalised coalition isn't worth poo poo exmarx posted:It's dumb to blame Andrew Little as an individual when Labour's problem is still that they've failed to articulate an alternative vision for the country. exmarx posted:Labour needs to articulate an attractive vision of the future. My worry is they'll rest on their laurels and assume it's their 'turn' now that national's biggest asset is gone. exmarx posted:Yeah if Ardern was leader they'd just flip to "but what has she actually accomplished?" immediately. exmarx posted:I'm going to vote, as presumably is swampman, because for whatever reason we follow New Zealand politics and post about them on line. Outside of election year, even!
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Jul 31, 2017 01:09
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:yeah and this is sort of my point. Criminalising cannabis to the extent that we do seems a bit silly, but legalising it will transfer (a probably lesser) burden from Police to the ministry of health, who have already proven that they couldn't control the legal sale of synthetic cannabinoids - how will they cope with what will be sold with the actual thing? synthetics are illegal, they passed a law that said you could sell them if they were proven safe, then changed the law to make it literally impossible to do that because you can't do animal or human testing using synthetics. so instead of having a regulated and reasonably safe market place we have an unregulated black market. it was fairly retarded.
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Jul 31, 2017 01:15
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exmarx posted:computer, do a search for 'why doesn't labour win'
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Jul 31, 2017 01:48
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Jul 31, 2017 01:57
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Labour's alternative vision for the future is "we're not national lol what are you gonna do vote for the other guy?"
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Jul 31, 2017 02:14
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Labour's alternative vision for the future is "we're not national lol what are you gonna do vote for the other guy?" Well, it worked for Hillary
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Jul 31, 2017 03:53
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Labour's internal polling has them on 23%. Another small % drop from there and Little wont be back in parliament. What in the christ was his strategy in saying he was maybe unfit to lead the party and that he thought about quitting? Is there some sort of 4D chess going on here or are Labour just that bad?
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Jul 31, 2017 05:28
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I get the feeling by saying that he was trying to come off as 'honest' and 'transparent' so as to be different to national but politics, sadly, doesn't work that way.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:43
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SurreptitiousMuffin posted:Labour's alternative vision for the future is "we're not national lol what are you gonna do vote for the other guy?" I am not sure where this narrative comes from other than people here buying into whatever junk is being feed to you or massive internal bias or self defeatism perhaps?
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Jul 31, 2017 06:44
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A fresh approach to the same old poo poo
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Jul 31, 2017 06:45
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exmarx posted:A fresh approach to the same old poo poo So self defeatism on your part then.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:50
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oohhboy posted:I am not sure where this narrative comes from other than people here buying into whatever junk is being feed to you or massive internal bias or self defeatism perhaps?
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Jul 31, 2017 06:57
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Virtually all mainstream media coverage of Labour is negative and National have also successfully managed to split the white working class off of the low income vote with their kiwi battlers/go getters vs losers and scroungers narrative. Labour need big flashing capital letter policies that directly target the white working class and their criticisms of National need to focus on undermining their power/masculinity and competence. Calling them mean or whatever does nothing because that is just "making the tough decisions" to their voters.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:02
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sebmojo posted:synthetics are illegal, they passed a law that said you could sell them if they were proven safe, then changed the law to make it literally impossible to do that because you can't do animal or human testing using synthetics. so instead of having a regulated and reasonably safe market place we have an unregulated black market. it was fairly retarded. Don't get me wrong I know they are illegal. What's the penalty? Like a fifty buck fine? Compared with a potential life sentence for dealing meth? Oh sweet! Even when they were legal, I guess, and sold in dairies across this fine land, I wouldn't class them being anywhere close to being as regulated as say alcohol and tobacco (also available at yor local dairy!)
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Jul 31, 2017 07:27
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Also lol@the shambles that is labour. Somehow they managed to get Bill English of all people elected as prime minister
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Jul 31, 2017 07:28
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Displeased Moo Cow posted:Even when they were legal, I guess, and sold in dairies across this fine land, I wouldn't class them being anywhere close to being as regulated as say alcohol and tobacco (also available at yor local dairy!)
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Jul 31, 2017 07:51
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But that's not what has happened, now you get people putting actual rat poison on any dried green plant and calling it synthetic cannabis Well that's what is happening here. But the focus seems to be on the fact these people are begging on the street so they can spend their dole money on this poison.
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Jul 31, 2017 08:09
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Labour man, where do you start? First, let's choose a leader who has one of those tight-looking mouths, like you just assume he's an rear end in a top hat and mentally just write him off. Politics shouldn't be about appearances but sorry dude you look like you took a bite out of a poo poo and lemon sandwich. Have almost zero actual visibility in the world except when National does something bad, and then jump up and down shouting like my three-year-old when the dog is doing a bad thing. When pressed for policy details, just kind make like a 'i-unno' noise and then slowly think, like I can see the gears going in your head, then come up with a re-worded version of whatever bullshit National is doing only harder. I got so loving mad about how useless they are the other day. They need to be getting out there and taking peoples anger and frustration and redirecting it. What are people mad about? Housing, don't loving blame foreigners even though it's easy to. Give the real reasons and make people mad about it. Homelessness? loving the National government, give the reasons and come up with a solution. The same people who voted National are the ones complaining about begging and demanding a solution, if it was pointed out why homelessness exists and how National have ramped it up then maybe it would help. Synthetic cannabis deaths? Same thing. There seems to be an unwillingness to even try to get this across. I realise there's a risk of sounding like you constantly blame National for everything but a lot of people who may not vote might actually respond to it. If you're giving an actual adult reason to vote, even if it's just against the party in power, then that's a vote that wasn't in the mix before. Probably none of what I wrote makes sense but I get all mad and that's how it seems to me and I'm not even a Labour party member, I've always voted Green and will do again.
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Jul 31, 2017 09:18
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No, it makes sense - Incompetence on the left, Malice on the right, and here I am. ♫ Stuck in the middle with you ♫
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Jul 31, 2017 09:33
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The message at the rallies do go into the policy stuff people here want. The problem is the solutions are hard to soundbite and you can't put rallies on the 6 o'clock news. It has nothing to do with how "Personable" Little is, solutions are hard and take time. It is way easier to say there isn't a problem so you don't have to fix it like National has been doing for the past 9 years. It's even easier than blaming foreigners since it is asking people to blame themselves with misplaced personal responsibility. Little might not be the smooth person there but I think we have forgotten what a real person is oppose to the empty suit that is Key.
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Jul 31, 2017 09:46
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Who but labour supporters go to labour rallies? 250 people in levin ain't going to send the media in a frenzy
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Jul 31, 2017 12:24
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That's like half the township.
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Jul 31, 2017 12:35
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Well gently caress me. It's looking like Little is going to step down and hospital pass Jacinda. This can't loving happen. They have in her a good future "face" for the party that they can groom for leadership, but she'll be damaged goods if she has to lead them into this absolute hiding... It's Bill English, for gently caress's sake! How the Hell do you lose an election to him? If he does drop out, someone else had better jump in and save the future of the party or they're completely done for.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:51
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They have the policies what they lack is leadership and communication. The leadership is not just the guy at the top. It is all of the senior MPs and associated party workers. Too many of which seem to be holding on for the right moment to retire from politics. Guess what that was shortly after the last election. I think they guessed if they held on until this election they could move on to a nice diplomatic role by retiring as a government MP instead of an opposition one.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:55
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Can't wait for National 2017, 2020, and 2023.
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Jul 31, 2017 21:59
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2026
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Jul 31, 2017 22:02
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The policies aren't that good
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Jul 31, 2017 22:13
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he's gone
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Jul 31, 2017 23:08
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Jacinda/Davis 2017?
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Jul 31, 2017 23:09
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So, uh, Jacinda for PM?
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Jul 31, 2017 23:10
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loving waste of her talents throwing her on a losing 2017 ticket at the last minute. Sounds like more of a job for Robertson.
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Jul 31, 2017 23:16
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The thing about labour's polling being terrible is that it's still a knife edge overall for a potential left government - if Ardern can scavenge like 3% from somewhere that's not the Greens and not gently caress up otherwise, they win. Probably decided it was worth the gamble instead of waiting 3 more years for English to bed in.
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Jul 31, 2017 23:22
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Even with current polling a Lab/Green/NZF govt would get over the line. It's just that Labour needs to have a decent share of the vote otherwise Winston will ride rough shod over them in coalition talks.
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Jul 31, 2017 23:35
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It's dangerous to assume that Winston's going to go with Labour anyway
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Jul 31, 2017 23:45
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Yeah but you can assume Lab/Greens aren't going to do it on their own
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