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So a thought crawled into my head. Cersi sits on the throne a long time. Its the daughter of Jon Snow and Dany that finally comes and topples her. Hello GoT spin off.
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Scooter_McCabe posted:So a thought crawled into my head. Cersi sits on the throne a long time. Its the daughter of Jon Snow and Dany that finally comes and topples her. Hello GoT spin off. Don't quit your day job.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:23
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fruit on the bottom posted:Ironic that that Iron Bank is all put out about the slave trade, considering that Braavos is a free city, was founded by escaped slaves, and the first law of the city is that no one there shall ever be a slave. That's capitalism for ya.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:34
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so I know I just watched the episode but...what actually happened? Jon showed up and got access to Dragonglass I guess? We finally got to see Casterly Rock and it turns out that nothing was happening there and so instead we get to watch Oleanna be loving savage as usual, even in the face of death Seriously, this was one of the first episodes that I have watched where it finished I just thought "wait, what?"
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Jul 31, 2017 06:36
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Zaphod42 posted:How does Euron get around so drat fast? I know he's fast and in the books he uses sorcery to make his ships go faster, but holy poo poo. He circumnavigated Westeros in like 2 days?? Where did it say that Euron could move his ships by sorcery in the books? The only battle we've seen him do (second hand) was taking the shield islands. I remember Victarion picks up a red priests but I don't remember him using weather magic either just fire magic to cure Victarion's arm. Am I missing something? I haven't read Victarion's POV chapter from winds of winter yet though I know its out there.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:39
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Lycus posted:That's capitalism for ya. They have a FIDUCIARY DUTY to their shareholders! Besides if it wasn't them some other, even worse, bank would be investing in that slave trade!
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Jul 31, 2017 06:44
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Wizard Master posted:I thought this episode was garbage personally. This is why I read this thread
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Jul 31, 2017 06:47
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Aces High posted:so I know I just watched the episode but...what actually happened? Jon showed up and got access to Dragonglass I guess? We finally got to see Casterly Rock and it turns out that nothing was happening there and so instead we get to watch Oleanna be loving savage as usual, even in the face of death It moved the plot forward in getting Jon & Dany's initial meeting and beginnings of their alliance, and her armies getting badly weakened with the fall of Highgarden, the death of Dorne's leadership, and the Unsullied stranded out west with Euron's navy sinking their ships. Next week looks like she gets more desperate getting Jon's help and her plans moving forward.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:48
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Aces High posted:so I know I just watched the episode but...what actually happened? Jon showed up and got access to Dragonglass I guess? We finally got to see Casterly Rock and it turns out that nothing was happening there and so instead we get to watch Oleanna be loving savage as usual, even in the face of death Jon and Daenerys fought and Jon got the dragonglass. Resolved. The unsullied took Casterly Rock but most of the Lannisters weren't there, and then Euron's fleet destroyed the unsullied's fleet, leaving them cut off. Meanwhile the Lannisters took Highgarden, killed Olenna, and loaded up all their gold (this was actually shown). We also saw a scene showing that Cersei is still massively in debt but she's seducing the Iron Bank and will use some of that Tyrell gold to help even the balance. Resolved. Also Sansa is confident and in charge and controlling the North in Jon's absence. And she re-united with Bran. Oh and Cersei got revenge on the people who killed her children. Resolved. So... lots happened?!
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Jul 31, 2017 06:51
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fruit on the bottom posted:Ironic that that Iron Bank is all put out about the slave trade, considering that Braavos is a free city, was founded by escaped slaves, and the first law of the city is that no one there shall ever be a slave. I was really hoping we'd get a line about how the slave trade is picking back up now that Daenerys left, since her conquest really wasn't very much liberation as she left each city to just be taken back over by the old guard after she moved on to the next place. With her in Westeros is there any doubt that Essos is basically right back where it started? The only freed slaves are those with her in Westeros.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:53
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Zaphod42 posted:Jon and Daenerys fought and Jon got the dragonglass. Resolved. Euron's got to be MVP by this point
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Jul 31, 2017 06:53
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WHY BONER NOW posted:Euron's got to be MVP by this point He's Deus Ex Pirate, yes.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:55
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What are the intended differences between the two GOT threads?
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Jul 31, 2017 06:56
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Baron Porkface posted:What are the intended differences between the two GOT threads? It used to be book readers and non book readers, but that ended when the show passed the books. Now its the thread for normal show watchers and the thread for people who read every internet script spoiler they can get asap. Also both threads are just general bickering so nothing matters.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:57
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Jesus like 15% of this episode was Dany being really dumb and everyone around her playing "not it" on being the one to say so. That was super terrible TV. Tyrion/Jon reunion was good though.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:01
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Zaphod42 posted:Jon and Daenerys fought and Jon got the dragonglass. Resolved. Uh you forgot that Cersei is now openly loving Jaime
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Jul 31, 2017 07:03
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precision posted:Jesus like 15% of this episode was Dany being really dumb and everyone around her playing "not it" on being the one to say so. That was super terrible TV. Tyrion/Jon reunion was good though. Yeah I really can't stand Dany anymore. I think she was supposed to come across skeptical but she just sounded entitled and whiney. Oh man my life is so hard! Like, yeah, your life was hard Dany, no doubt. But you're in GOT land. (I forget what the planet is called) Everybody around you has it much worse? At least you're getting a payoff to your suffering. If you're really the big queen now enjoy it, stop sulking. WHY BONER NOW posted:Uh you forgot that Cersei is now openly loving Jaime That too!  See lots happened this episode. Good episode overall.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:06
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Ragnarok the Red posted:It moved the plot forward in getting Jon & Dany's initial meeting and beginnings of their alliance, and her armies getting badly weakened with the fall of Highgarden, the death of Dorne's leadership, and the Unsullied stranded out west with Euron's navy sinking their ships. Next week looks like she gets more desperate getting Jon's help and her plans moving forward. I'm going to guess she's going to be a little more anxious to fry something or someone(s) with some dragonfire, too. I actually liked the way the Dany and Jon thing went down. She came off with the haughty "bend yo knee" angle. I thought he'd wuss out and do it but he showed some spine in that he pointed out he had responsibility as a rule to his people and he'd be abdicating that by subjugating himself to her rule. Tyrion gave Dany really good advice on what to do with Jon that at least partially makes up for all his military plan going to poo poo so far.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:09
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Zaphod42 posted:He's Deus Ex Pirate, yes. The necessity of moving the players around on the board and having all the big battles as fast as possible makes it feel like a Cliff Notes version of something that should have taken four more seasons, being moved along wherever necessary by the power of unstoppable overacting.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:11
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I don't know why, but I liked the little touch that Cersei has started a hair style trend for Westerosi women.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:12
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Disconnecticus posted:The necessity of moving the players around on the board and having all the big battles as fast as possible makes it feel like a Cliff Notes version of something that should have taken four more seasons, being moved along wherever necessary by the power of unstoppable overacting. Again, absolute speed is not an issue. (only in relative to other character speeds) Here we were talking about Euron's ability to punk anybody in the water. He's called himself the god of the sea and in the show he really means it. Killing Yara's fleet, also ship people, was impressive. Killing the boats that carried the unsullied is less impressive a naval victory I suppose, but his winning two major battles back to back like that on GOT feels like he's on fire right now.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:12
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NowonSA posted:Meh, I'm sure I'm gonna get to see some Dragons wreck poo poo in at least one battle this season, I'll settle for that. And the dragons are going to be killed by Cersei's autotracking ballista turrets to go with her infinite range napalm catapults somehow mounted on longships
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Jul 31, 2017 07:14
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override367 posted:And the dragons are going to be killed by Cersei's autotracking ballista turrets to go with her infinite range napalm catapults somehow mounted on longships Hopefully they'll do it like one goon suggested already and lure the dragons somewhere and have the ballistas pop out as a surprise and hit them from close range. Because that'd be way more reliable than trying to hit them at range.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:15
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Zaphod42 posted:He's Deus Ex Pirate, yes. *Pirate Ex Machina An unrelated question to tonight's episode, but it's always bugged me: What was the deal with Shay's betrayal? The whole time she was with Tyrion she was always shown to be legit in love with him, begging him to run away and constantly being jealous of his forced marriage to Sansa. Then she just completely flips on him on the witness stand and fucks his dad? The gently caress man? Is there a bunch of left-out book plot that explains it any better? Takes No Damage fucked around with this message at 07:26 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 07:20
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Adun posted:Isn't it pretty clear Arya is on her way to King's Landing?
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Jul 31, 2017 07:25
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Y'know, Tyrion really shouldn't be a master strategist, he's only fought in a couple battles. He's a better talker and he's serving his true purpose by getting Jon and Dany to cooperate. Dany should probably ask Jon for Royce or something.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:26
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This was best episode of season
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Jul 31, 2017 07:27
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Takes No Damage posted:*Pirate Ex Machina No, God from Pirate, not Pirate from Machine. Think about it. Normally Deus ex Machina refers to some mechanization or character suddenly performing a godlike miracle to end the plot. In this case the pirate is the one performing the godlike miracle. E: I guess it works both ways. Pirate from Machine works from a different perspective. Takes No Damage posted:An unrelated question to tonight's episode, but it's always bugged me: What was the deal with Shay'd betrayal? The whole time she was with Tyrion she was always shown to be legit in love with him, begging him to run away and constantly being jealous of his forced marriage to Sansa. Then she just completely flips on him on the witness stand and fucks his dad? The gently caress man? Is there a bunch of left-out book plot that explains it any better? I think Shay was always very badly handled. They really set her up one way and then twisted it the other way without really properly exploring or developing that. I think the show just wanted to go for a shock and to give Tyrion a real reason to kill her. I can't remember the book exactly because it was years ago that I read it and my memory is poo poo, but it was at least somewhat different. She sold out to Tywin at some point for riches. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 07:30 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 07:28
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Tyrion may not be the best judge of character when it comes to his love life.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:29
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Noctone posted:Don't quit your day job. Coming up with spin offs that last long enough to justify 2 seasons of employing emotionally unstable people that should have never been allowed out of community theater.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:42
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Takes No Damage posted:*Pirate Ex Machina 1) she was always doing it for the money. Tyrion was paying for "the girlfriend experience" and she was good at providing it/Tyrion wanted to believe in it. 2) Tyrion's money is actually just his dad's money. 3) Tywin and Cersei come to you and say "yo, we want you to testify against Tyrion." Given that they are the two most politically powerful people in the kingdom and both have a penchant for ruthless treatment of people who defy or anger them, what do you think happens to Shae if she tells them no or doesn't play ball on the stand? the only context omitted book content might potentially add is the little hints I mentioned a couple pages back that allow a reader to infer that Tywin was a massive hypocrite on the whole hiring prostitutes thing and that he had been employing Shae for a significant length of time before we (and Tyrion) see her. Same idea as the Secret Ho Tunnels Tyrion was talking about putting in Casterly Rock in this episode, only imagine those being applied to The Tower Of The Hand "long ago, by a previous hand of the king."  Only one person in recent history held the office long enough to oversee such tunnel construction! But 1 thru 3 pretty much cover it I think.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:44
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Lycus posted:Y'know, Tyrion really shouldn't be a master strategist, he's only fought in a couple battles. He's a better talker and he's serving his true purpose by getting Jon and Dany to cooperate. Dany should probably ask Jon for Royce or something.
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Jul 31, 2017 07:48
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Poor Grey Worm. He's stuck on the wrong side of the continent with no ships, no supplies and nothing but 1000 miles of hostile territory between him and safety. His march home's gonna make Xenophon's wee jaunt look like a walk in the park on a summer's day.
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Jul 31, 2017 08:05
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Mister Perky posted:1) she was always doing it for the money. Tyrion was paying for "the girlfriend experience" and she was good at providing it/Tyrion wanted to believe in it. I thought that as do I think most people for a long time and it wasn't until I watched a youtube version of GoT that JUST cut Tyrions scenes in order, and I really got a whole different impression of Shae: 1) He tries to break up with her and tells her she's a piece of poo poo whore and he never cared 2) She's dumb enough to believe him about that (and not repeated "my family wants to kill you") 3) She is so hurt and vengeful about this she betrays him - the big reason I think this is how she throws his whore comments back in his face VERY intentionally at the trial. It wasn't the actions of a woman who was just turning tail for money, it was calculated wrath. 4) After that she fucks his dad, probably for 50/50 coin and payback? Either way, her actions at the trial when you watch almost all of the Shae/Tyrion scenes in order takes on a whole different tone than I felt watching it spread among several stories over a long period of time.
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Jul 31, 2017 08:13
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but has Dany ever won a military victory through superior strategy? I'm remembering back from earlier seasons, but her plan seems to be as follows; Step 1) Recruit a cult of personality made from many disparate allies. Step 2) Smash said army into the enemy. Step 3) Dragons. Step 4) Profit. The closest I can remember to an actual strategic victory was the Unsullied's infiltration stratagem, so it's really no surprise that she fell back on that old chestnut. But I can buy Euron outmaneuvering her on sea and Jamie outmaneuvering her on land when they're clearly far more experienced and practiced as a cohesive whole. Especially when Dany is far more reluctant to drop the hammer on Westeros than she was on Slaver's Bay. The Bee fucked around with this message at 08:18 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Jul 31, 2017 08:15
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Josh Lyman posted:Lol how are people this bad at watching TV? Except he's not. The wolves scene "meant something" so she may have returned to her original path. Likewise she might have continued going onto Winterfell. That scene was way too nebulous, but maybe it'll make sense in context.
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Jul 31, 2017 08:15
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You know, I can't help but wonder.. what kind of poo poo was High Garden when it was actively involved in a war and a long standing noble house, while apparently ALL it's troops weren't deployed with their allies but at their castle which immediately fell over dead? DId they just, like, not have a real army? Is it still floating around there going "Aw, poo poo, the house is dead we're out"?
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Jul 31, 2017 08:17
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Hey you assholes did Euron have magic ship abilities or not? Just answer my goddamn question.
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Jul 31, 2017 08:23
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Takes No Damage posted:*Pirate Ex Machina They majorly hosed up when they made Shae more sympathetic and caring in the show. In the books, she was always about herself. She didn't really give a drat about Tyrion. It's typical of the show to change one thing and then not think how if affects the consequences.
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Blazing Ownager posted:Except he's not. The wolves scene "meant something" so she may have returned to her original path. I guess if you're dumb or not paying attention, sure.
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