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loquacius posted:I mean there is the distinct possibility that the post calling him a good dem was not meant entirely seriously possible I am kinda sleepy
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gradenko_2000 posted:I thought the Obama era got rid of all the Blue Dogs. :shh: they're all blue dogs
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Jul 31, 2017 16:01
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summary: "maybe the left is just too mad about racism, inequality, and fascism, and is engaging in masochistic self-punishment rather than real political activism. maybe they could be more effective if they stopped hating America and exercised more forgiveness toward bankers, neo-Nazis, KKK members and other 'sinners' that offend the intolerant left's dogmatic sensibilities" Joementum posted:I'm sure this will receive proportionate outrage to the Heath Mellow situation. the question is "outrage from who" I'm sure NARAL is still gonna be mad about it, but it probably won't get much traction on bad Dem twitter, and without the party infighting angle to drive clicks it's doubtful the media will bother to cover it
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Jul 31, 2017 16:03
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i don't really see why the dccc should put a litmus test on anyone for any belief. if you won the primary and you aren't like, hitler or something, you should be eligible for funding without regard for ideology
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Jul 31, 2017 16:05
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loquacius posted:It's kind of hilarious to me that abortion rights are as core a belief as the Democratic party has and they can't even agree on that The party is falling apart at the seams
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Jul 31, 2017 16:08
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"Better Jobs, Better Wages, Better Future" is a better slogan than the first one they came up with.
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Jul 31, 2017 16:09
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dems should have gone with "Bold March into the Bright and Glorious People's Future"
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Jul 31, 2017 16:10
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zegermans posted:dems should have gone with "Bold March into the Bright and Glorious People's Future" 
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Iron Twinkie posted:Liberals are fundamentally incapable of understanding the degree to which the people that have been exploited by the system that they personally benefit from have been radicalized. Particularly millennials. We have no other context for the world other than the systematic abuses of capitalism. I'm on the tail end of being a millennial and I watched the Berlin wall fall in elementary school. The specter of communism as a boogie man means almost nothing to me. My whole life has been watching capitalism take the poor and huddled masses yearning to breath free, drilling new holes into them, and loving them to death. 
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Jul 31, 2017 16:11
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FactsAreUseless posted:I won't support pro-life Dems. It's me, I'm the social issues voter. I couldn't imagine pro-life Tim Kaine being one heartbeat away from appointing Supreme Court justices so I voted for Jill Stein.
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Jul 31, 2017 16:26
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Fallen Hamprince posted:it's almost unimaginable that an anti-choice candidate would win a primary for national office outside of an unwinnable +40 R shithole So only 70% of the nation or thereabouts.
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Jul 31, 2017 16:28
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Concerned Citizen posted:i don't really see why the dccc should put a litmus test on anyone for any belief. if you won the primary and you aren't like, hitler or something, you should be eligible for funding without regard for ideology well, does being a Democrat actually mean anything besides what letter comes after your name and what color you'll get on the electoral maps on TV? that's the question. if membership in the Democratic party doesn't have any ideological basis beyond "anyone who's willing to run as a Dem and can win elections", then there's no reason to vote for Dems at all. vote for particular Dems that you like, sure, but there's no reason to fund or support the party as a whole. if anyone can be a Democrat, then being a Democrat is meaningless like, why do you work for the Democratic Party? is it because you believe that they're better for the country, that their ideologies and beliefs are straight-up better for Americans? or are you just doing it because it's a career and the importance of patronage networks to political work makes it difficult for the non-rich to switch sides or be a free agent?
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Jul 31, 2017 16:48
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Joementum posted:I'm sure this will receive proportionate outrage to the Heath Mellow situation. bad dems oppose single-payer bc it won't fund abortions bc of Hyde yet they continue to fund anti-abortion candidates.
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Jul 31, 2017 16:50
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Concerned Citizen posted:i don't really see why the dccc should put a litmus test on anyone for any belief. if you won the primary and you aren't like, hitler or something, you should be eligible for funding without regard for ideology holy poo poo lol this is peak liberalism.txt
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Jul 31, 2017 16:53
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Main Paineframe posted:well, does being a Democrat actually mean anything besides what letter comes after your name and what color you'll get on the electoral maps on TV? it means not being Hitler, apparently
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Jul 31, 2017 16:55
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we see again that the democratic party is less an actual political party and more a lovely confused brand
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Jul 31, 2017 16:56
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Willa Rogers posted:bad dems oppose single-payer bc it won't fund abortions bc of Hyde yet they continue to fund anti-abortion candidates. they care about winning. and single payer. they're both just not viable at the moment!
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Jul 31, 2017 16:58
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Scent of Worf posted:holy poo poo lol I dunno though, I'm actually ambiguous on this one because the primary is supposed to mean something too Like, going "ok maybe you won your primary but you're Not A Real Democrat so we've decided you don't count" is basically admitting the primary process is a sham but at the same time it'd be great if we could just agree once and for all on basic stuff like whether a woman can get such-and-such medical procedure or whether healthcare is a right etc and there isn't really any other way to enforce that
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gradenko_2000 posted:it means not being Hitler, apparently Wait, does that mean the party is going to start litmus testing people to make sure they aren't too hawkish?
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Jul 31, 2017 16:59
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question: why are rando legislative policies considered set in stone when they could be changed literally whenever - Hyde amendment, Byrd rule, etc is it one of those bullshit senate decorum things
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Jul 31, 2017 17:02
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zegermans posted:question: why are rando legislative policies considered set in stone when they could be changed literally whenever - Hyde amendment, Byrd rule, etc hyde amendment is a law passed in the 70s iirc, byrd rule is stupid bullshit decorum
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FuriousxGeorge posted:Wait, does that mean the party is going to start litmus testing people to make sure they aren't too hawkish? No, of course not.
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Jul 31, 2017 17:03
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new guardian piece on IRONSTACHE the writer is all in for IRONSTACHE
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Jul 31, 2017 17:09
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Condiv posted:they care about winning. and single payer. they're both just not viable at the moment! it's gonna be "funny" to see them tie themselves into a knot in the coming years trying to marginalize single-payer while trying to resurrect the corpse of the non-medicaid portions of the ACA's markets.
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Jul 31, 2017 17:10
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loquacius posted:I dunno though, I'm actually ambiguous on this one because the primary is supposed to mean something too Yeah, sure, but there should be some understanding of what Dems as a whole stand for. What's even the point of having a party if it's going to be loaded with failed Republicans trying their luck with a different organization?
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GalacticAcid posted:new guardian piece on IRONSTACHE People are right about him being pro pipeline is lovely but I think he can go the distance and become a voice in the party. People will pay attention to the guy that sniped a prominent target like Ryan. And we really need more people making noise with Good Opinions
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Jul 31, 2017 17:18
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Just thought of my favorite post of all time.Mr Hootington posted:All BBQ is better than Iowa BBQ.
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The compass needle is sticking The numbers step out of sequence The stars here look hardly like the ones from last season And we’ve been leaking diesel since the first freeze You can leave the car keys in it I’m getting out
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loquacius posted:I dunno though, I'm actually ambiguous on this one because the primary is supposed to mean something too it's not like these candidates are winning heavily contested primaries and winning from the right the only primary challengers Manchin has ever faced for his Senate seat were a 95-year-old and a literal Republican there are cases where there's no Dem candidate at all, so one of the contenders in the Republican primary pays someone to run as a Dem for strategic reasons
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SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:People are right about him being pro pipeline is lovely but I think he can go the distance and become a voice in the party. People will pay attention to the guy that sniped a prominent target like Ryan. And we really need more people making noise with Good Opinions If he can't win in what by all accounts should be a blue mega-wave year, then it's probably time to hang it up and realize that the party of Trump and GOP poor-loving is the government, we as a people want.
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Main Paineframe posted:well, does being a Democrat actually mean anything besides what letter comes after your name and what color you'll get on the electoral maps on TV? that's the question. if membership in the Democratic party doesn't have any ideological basis beyond "anyone who's willing to run as a Dem and can win elections", then there's no reason to vote for Dems at all. vote for particular Dems that you like, sure, but there's no reason to fund or support the party as a whole. if anyone can be a Democrat, then being a Democrat is meaningless well there's already a standard by which we define who is allowed to be a democratic nominee: a primary. why should the national party dictate who a district is or is not allowed to run for office in a particular area? i think we do too much of that as it is, i don't think it should be extended to having the believe the right things. yes, i agree that it "dilutes the brand" but i also think that we're a democratic country with a two party system and these kinds of 'tests' kind of short circuit the system and reduce choice
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The Nastier Nate posted:If he can't win in what by all accounts should be a blue mega-wave year, then it's probably time to hang it up and realize that the party of Trump and GOP poor-loving is the government, we as a people want. I don't know Nancy "we don't need to win in 18" Pelosi seems to like her minority leader position Even frick Trump that frickin frick can only go so far if the party insists on rolling into a ditch
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Jul 31, 2017 17:32
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lol that between two questions "do you think the dems will win in 2018" and "are you gonna be leader", the one nancy pelosi thinks is important to address is "are you gonna be leader?". and she addresses it with "that's so unimportant!"
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Jul 31, 2017 17:37
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of course. of loving course obama's inner circle is getting involved in dismantling the concept of an employee
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GalacticAcid posted:Just thought of my favorite post of all time. that's not bbq, that's a human rights violation animal rights too, no pig deserves to be turned into that
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The entire ex Obama administration: 
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Condiv posted:of course. of loving course obama's inner circle is getting involved in dismantling the concept of an employee gotta cash out all that political capital somewhere!
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