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Yeah, that's true. Unless, of course, market research forecasts that more people buying at less cost would make them more money than less people buying at more cost. But I don't know if New GW does market research or if being ignorant of that is still a point of pride.
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I thought the entire point of wiping the slate clean was because they didn't want people to have to carry multiple books to games. I also could have sworn their original statement was that rules would be free, like in AoS, but faction specific stuff would be in a codex. I mean, it's par for the course for GW. I'm not surprised at the cost of stuff. At least it's good enough for the money.
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TheChirurgeon posted:All of this looks real good to me.  Their stratagem already leaked and it's 1 command point to make enemies suffer -1 to hit one of your infantry units with shooting. Kind of a knock-off of the Raven Guard chapter tactics, but it works at any range and it's called In Midnight Clad  . Unfortunately, overwatch can't be modified so Night Lords can't use it to avoid that.
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Zuul the Cat posted:I thought the entire point of wiping the slate clean was because they didn't want people to have to carry multiple books to games. I also could have sworn their original statement was that rules would be free, like in AoS, but faction specific stuff would be in a codex. No, the point of wiping the slate and having Indexes was so that armies weren't stuck playing with old-edition noncompatible rules for however long. It meant they could actually have a NEW edition without having to worry about backwards compatibility with 5+ year old books.
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That loving EC stratagem is loving  I only have about 800 points of Emperor's Children, but that consists of a hellbrute, sorcerer terminator, possessed, chosen, cultists, and daemonettes. Not including characters. Can't wait for this codex 
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JoshTheStampede posted:I mean, I would love it if 40k moved towards free rules like many other game companies do. I play Infinity and Malifaux and the rules there are either free or all in one book/come with models. Its great. I just don't expect them to do that since they've never hinted they would and they seem to like their business model. And its expensive to play but obviously here I am so its not too expensive for me to deal with. Right now it looks like the model is Free base rules + free unit rules with the units packaged after 8th edition was released + free points values online, but that doesn't cover the army special rules you need to get from the codex. Though I think that in this edition you can get by with just the cost of a single codex, especially if you're new, which is a step up from prior editions. I think the rules should be free, but I also don't have a problem with GW charging for them, particularly in printed form.
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I'm trying to wrap my head around how assaults work in 8th, especially now that Initiative is completely gone, ran into a snag with who can fight. The rules say that anyone within 1" of the enemy gets to fight, any model within 1" of such an ally gets to fight. The rulebook says that this represents ranks of 2, but wouldn't that be 3? If a model is in base contact, his buddy is contact with him, and another is in contact with that guy, that means 3 models get to fight. What am I missing? This example presumes 1" bases, thank heck that Pox Walkers still have those.  RIP small bases for Marines, people were always so delighted when I pointed out that the bases are 1" so you don't need to measure for attack ranges in close combat. I made an army roster, turns out I have a 1,500 point army once my slug bros arrive, which is a relief. Nurgle Heralds can't take a Palaquin, which is lovely, so I have to take Epidemius instead. Whatever, at least he has Smite.  The only spanner in the cogs is that I need to get wings for my Daemon Princes so I'm not totally incapable of taking on Flyers. The appropriate wings I found from a bits vendor were out of stock. So, a Daemon Prince with wings has the same Power Level as one without them, but if using Points the one with wings costs more? Buh? I ordered Rot Grubs, which look disgusting and at $3 a model are far better than the $8 per for Nurgling models. http://www.trollandtoad.com/p299805.html
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25mm is slightly less than 1 inch, so yes, f you had them in a line in base to base contact you could get 3 ranks in melee like that with 25mm bases.
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chutche2 posted:25mm is slightly less than 1 inch, so yes, f you had them in a line in base to base contact you could get 3 ranks in melee like that with 25mm bases. 4, actually. Ranks 1 and 2 are themselves eligible for being within an inch, and ranks 3 and 4 are by definition within 1 inch of rank 2, if everyone is touching. That requires perfect lineups and room to do all that, but given perfect circumstances 25mm bases can get 4 ranks into melee.
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TheChirurgeon posted:Also today on Atia's Blog, someone posted a bunch of info on the other legion rules pulled from the upcoming White Dwarf: Most of these are boring, but the Night Lords one is actually really cool and good and fluffy too. Like seriously the Word Bearers, Black Legion and World Eaters bonuses are sooooo boring. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 20:12 on Jul 31, 2017 |
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Black Legion one is similar to the Ultramarines one. Also we can't really judge the legions purely on those Legion rules. The Stratagems also expand them.
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I'm still debating whether to run Primaris successor Alpha Legion or just Alpha Legion using C:CSM. That legion bonus is pretty boring, but effective. But I could just play reiver heavy and get the same thing.
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TheChirurgeon posted:same There has to be more to it than that, otherwise the word bearers one is terrible.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:I'm still debating whether to run Primaris successor Alpha Legion or just Alpha Legion using C:CSM. You could run them as both! Put really subtle Chaos iconography on them, and just say they're infiltrating.
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Zuul the Cat posted:You could run them as both! Put really subtle Chaos iconography on them, and just say they're infiltrating. Hell, even Chaos AL don't wear Chaos iconography. Only real problem is there's a bunch of models that don't really cross over. Like primaris don't mix heavy weapons into squads.
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Gyro Zeppeli posted:Hell, even Chaos AL don't wear Chaos iconography. Only real problem is there's a bunch of models that don't really cross over. Like primaris don't mix heavy weapons into squads. That's easy to get around though. You can pick up individual Primaris dudes on eBay to swap in and out. You might have to convert some of the weapons, but it's doable.
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Could always just run Codex: Normal Marines and say they're recent converts/renegades and still using normal Astartes tactics and equipment.
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JoshTheStampede posted:4, actually. Ranks 1 and 2 are themselves eligible for being within an inch, and ranks 3 and 4 are by definition within 1 inch of rank 2, if everyone is touching. Good grief, you're right. The 2nd rank is itself a 'within 1" of the enemy' model. This is the one major slip I've read in the rules so far, the rest of it is excessively simple and free of caveats, which I like.
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Artum posted:There has to be more to it than that, otherwise the word bearers one is terrible. While not the most exciting I could easily see them getting something that buffs Dark Apostles either through Warlord traits,relics, etc etc and if you're Word Bearers you're definitely running Dark Apostles. Even with just that trait that means they're very unlikely to fail morale tests within the DA's bubble. I'll wait till we actually see everything before calling anything a stinker.
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Artum posted:There has to be more to it than that, otherwise the word bearers one is terrible. Not sure that needed two posts, but I think the Word Bearers one is fine. It'll need the broader context of relics/strategems and there may be more to it, but having ATSKNF on your dudes is a fine bonus for Word Bearers to get on top of Death to the False Emperor and whatever bonuses they may get from marks of chaos
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TheChirurgeon posted:- Iron Warriors: Some bonus vs. units in cover, bonus while being shot in cover shaking_perturabo.gif
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So is a Terminator captain with the Shield Eternal and Burning Blade and the +1W/FNP trait the new Smashfucker?
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adamantium|wang posted:shaking_perturabo.gif  
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JoshTheStampede posted:So is a Terminator captain with the Shield Eternal and Burning Blade and the +1W/FNP trait the new Smashfucker? You can't have two relics on one dude.
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Naramyth posted:You can't have two relics on one dude. Huh, I didn't notice that.
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Naramyth posted:You can't have two relics on one dude. Blood Ravens chapter tactic.
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Deptfordx posted:Blood Ravens chapter tactic. Make it include any chapter's relics, as well as Chaos legion relics, and we have a deal.
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The Bee posted:Make it include any chapter's relics, as well as Chaos legion relics I thought that went without saying.
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Big Willy Style posted:Talos of the Night Lords can run at 87km/h Anyone who's legion has that much practice running away from fair fights could be that fast.
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TheChirurgeon posted:- Alpha Legion: Infiltrate/deep strike units more than 12" away from enemy units 
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EC have always strike first and a second round of shooting strategem. loving what up.
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Time to strap on the dong armour lads.
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I'm actually surprised you're happy with this. More than 12 puts you outside of even rapid fire for bolters.
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Pendent posted:I'm actually surprised you're happy with this. More than 12 puts you outside of even rapid fire for bolters. I think that it might be "enemy units must set up at least 12" away from your units" which would be loving amazing.
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Strobe posted:I think that it might be "enemy units must set up at least 12" away from your units" which would be loving amazing.
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Endman posted:That's ridiculous. I'm lucky if my opponent has painted their stuff at all; I'd never get mad at a ham for different colours or models. That's why the smartest hams of all never paint their mans.
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Anyone tried removing the various insignias on the primaries aggressors and traverse to male them look more generically sci-fi? Someone upthread was saying aggressors reminded them of Mobile Infantry and I wondered if anyone has tried it.
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