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Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


Those famous words are translated a "good good study, day day up" whenever I see it in English and I have no idea what the gently caress that's supposed to mean.

Somewhere around here I have a notebook with a meme Neil DeGrasse Tyson on it saying said Mao quote, it is a treasure.

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Relin
Oct 6, 2002

You have been a most worthy adversary, but in every game, there are winners and there are losers. And as you know, in this game, losers get robotizicized!

Vesi posted:

The most generous thing about China that I can say is that practically everyone is trying really hard if nothing else then to make money. In other 3rd world countries there's way more apathetic people who when confronted with a new situation just stop. In China you can trust that if you also try hard and long enough things eventually work out, just assume they're also trying to cheat you in every step.
We've had to shut down operations in countries like Philippines and Thailand because of that apathy just makes some business not possible but we'll probably continue in China as long as the country is stable.
can you elaborate? like what kind of businesses? how does apathy figure in?

big time bisexual
Oct 16, 2002

Cool Party

Grand Fromage posted:

Those famous words are translated a "good good study, day day up" whenever I see it in English and I have no idea what the gently caress that's supposed to mean.

it's just something like "study well and you'll improve yourself every day"

quote:

Somewhere around here I have a notebook with a meme Neil DeGrasse Tyson on it saying said Mao quote, it is a treasure.

please, please post it

plumpy hole lever
Aug 8, 2003

♥ Anime is real ♥

Relin posted:

can you elaborate? like what kind of businesses? how does apathy figure in?
People don't care if they do their job well, people don't care if the job gets done at all, people don't care if they get fired. Lepak and eating is much more important than busting your rear end trying to worry about meeting someone else's arbitrary quota of widget production.


In Myanmar at the moment, and there is a really really bad combination of 'not give a poo poo', 'im an idiot', and 'i hate working'.

It means that if, for example, you ask the Communications Director to write a press release, they'll copy and paste two sentences from the company website into a blank word document. If you ask the driver to turn up at 1.00pm, he'll come at 1.25pm because it's all good enough.

If you then tell them off, they'll just send you a text the next morning, "Dear sis, sorry but i don't gunna come to work again'."

One of my friends moved offices to a heritage building, two of her ~15 staff quit because they didn't like the new building. It can be pretty impossible to get anything done in a country where people just straight up don't give a poo poo.

plumpy hole lever
Aug 8, 2003

♥ Anime is real ♥
One of my friends works in marketing, and was going to put on a big PR event in another city this Saturday and had arranged for a senior staff member to travel there to manage everything. Now there's fears about bird flu H1N1 in Myanmar. My friend gets a sms message at 8pm on saturday evening: "Dear boss, i can't travel to the other city tonight bcoz my mum says there is bird flu. My best friend got it and now he in hospital, he is only an employee and hes in ICU! Can i request next time we need to travel because of emergency u organise plane instead of bus"

poo poo this makes it impossible to actually meet any firm business committments that you give.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


big time bisexual posted:

please, please post it

I forgot it's also misspelled.

WarpedNaba
Feb 8, 2012

Being social makes me swell!
Ew, Reddit.

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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WarpedNaba posted:

Ew, Reddit.

the China subreddit is actually alright barring occasional raids by one of the multitudes of Pevan Stan subreddits

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

Grand Fromage posted:

I forgot it's also misspelled.



amazing

Trammel
Dec 31, 2007
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barbecue at the folks posted:

I've started to wonder lately, after years of following these threads: is there anything redeeming about Mainland culture?

It's literally impossible to tip for good service. You might get lucky in a restaurant and one of the staff makes a huge extra effort to make sure you're ordering the right food, and you're happy with the meal, using scraps of shared common language. But even leaving cash on the table invariably results in somebody running on to the street trying to return it.

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


http://www.scmp.com/week-asia/business/article/2104149/vietnams-tale-two-metros-one-built-japanese-and-other-chinese

quote:

For the first time in their histories, Ho Chi Minh City and Hanoi are both in the middle of desperately needed major metro-system projects that aim to transform their cities. Both are facing delays, but a series of high-profile accidents has already cast a larger shadow over the Chinese-led effort in the capital.

In contrast, the metro project led by Japanese conglomerates in Ho Chi Minh City has been accident-free. This feeds into longstanding assumptions in Vietnam about the perceived superiority of Japanese workmanship and engineering.

...

The first metro line in Hanoi, which broke ground in October 2011 and is somewhat confusingly called Line 2A, has suffered far more than just missed deadlines. A series of accidents has damaged its public image.

On November 6, 2014, several reels of steel fell from the construction site of a flyover on the line, killing a motorbike driver and injuring two more passers-by. The following month, a 10-metre-high section of scaffolding fell from the same flyover, trapping three people in a taxi that was travelling beneath it.

In 2015, the line drew criticism when people noticed that the track, which runs above major thoroughfares and intersections, looked wavy, raising concerns over its safety. That August a steel bar fell from another construction site onto a car, nearly killing the driver.

This May, a government inspection team detected rust on sections of the train track that hadn’t been covered in protective paint. A number of loose joints were found as well.

...

“In Ho Chi Minh City there is technical assistance for the improvement of accessibility to MRT stations,” he said. The Asian Development Bank provides expertise in this area for the city’s entire network. “They emphasise accessibility for pedestrians to the stations and have made amendments to station design to make them better for pedestrians.”

In Hanoi, on the other hand, no similar work is being done. “For Line 2A, it’s very hard to access and approach the platforms from the ground level,” Vu said. “If we look outside the stations, it’s very difficult to walk from the station to the destination. That is a problem.”

Other experts are more sanguine about the impact of these issues. “It is unfortunate that the general public is against most Chinese investment, good or bad,” Dr Phu Viet Le, senior researcher at the Lower Mekong Public Policy Initiative – a think tank funded by the US Agency for International Development – said.

“Some people may be pointing [out] that the line in Hanoi is built by China, so it must be of inferior quality relative to [the] Japanese one elsewhere. I find this preposterous,” he added. “I don’t think people will be afraid of using public transport if it is convenient.”

Dr.Radical
Apr 3, 2011
I'm generally not the sort of person that looks at where a thing is made if it's something small but holy poo poo I would 10 times out of 10 choose Japan over China for a humongous project like loving public transit.

plumpy hole lever
Aug 8, 2003

♥ Anime is real ♥
or for anything, really

Struggly to think of a single thing that Japan doesn't do better than China. They might be tied for bad teeth but that's about it.

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

quote:

This feeds into longstanding assumptions in Vietnam about the perceived superiority of Japanese workmanship and engineering.

lol as if there was ever an ounce of doubt here

very clever with maracas posted:

or for anything, really

Struggly to think of a single thing that Japan doesn't do better than China. They might be tied for bad teeth but that's about it.

Production of new citizens.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Boiled Water posted:


Production of new citizens.

Are we going for quality or quantity?

(thatsracist.gif)

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


very clever with maracas posted:

Struggly to think of a single thing that Japan doesn't do better than China. They might be tied for bad teeth but that's about it.

Chinese food. :v:

Imperialist Dog
Oct 21, 2008

"I think you could better spend your time on finishing your editing before the deadline today."
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:backtowork:
I safely arrived in China and am staying at my in-laws townhouse in their fancy suburb. We went for a walk and my wife pointed out "Oh here's the house with the fake address. It's supposed to be 34, but they changed it to 98. Now all the delivery people get confused and bring their orders to our house and vice versa."

I wonder, what would happen if you tried this in Not China? Just declared your house to be No. 7 Wisteria Lane and gently caress you if you say different?

plumpy hole lever
Aug 8, 2003

♥ Anime is real ♥

Grand Fromage posted:

Chinese food. :v:

Gargamel Gibson
Apr 24, 2014

very clever with maracas posted:

They might be tied for bad teeth but that's about it.

But with Japan it's because they think crooked teeth are cute, not because of rampant nasty personal hygiene.

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


image text goes here

Grand Fromage posted:

Chinese food. :v:

Yokohama and ikebukuro have p good Chinese food.

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010


this chart is useless as it only lists exported food to the US, can you imagine how much pesticide is in food intended for the chinese domestic market

also all the HK food is probably just chinese anyway

barbecue at the folks
Jul 20, 2007



I just love how if the Chinese-built metro system is unwieldy and just outright lovely to use, the fault lies obviously with the China-bashers who simply don't understand how Chinese workmanship is of the same quality as Japanese, despite everything pointing towards the exact opposite. I just find it surreal that the face games never stop, not even when there are millions of dollars of infrastructure investment on the line.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Jeoh posted:

this chart is useless as it only lists exported food to the US, can you imagine how much pesticide is in food intended for the chinese domestic market

also all the HK food is probably just chinese anyway

I wanted to look into this in more detail but haven't got around to it yet. The only HK food I buy is mushrooms, and I wash those before cooking them obviously. I avoid all Chinese food except when I'm eating out (I cook at home more than going out, which is the opposite of what most HK people do)

My theory is with things like food quality, unless you're talking about something like the Hepatitisberries that got sent to Australia, it's what you do every day that matters, not what you do occasionally.

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


America has some food production processes that make it illegal for them to export certain things to Europe, thats one of the things I'll be looking for when I read the full report: is it a case of something considered safe elsewhere being considered unsafe in the US? Will report back.

peanut
Sep 9, 2007


The Ho Chi Minh project is reusing old cars from other transit systems around the world to save money and be awwwwesome. The Japanese team put special effort into making the every imported car work on a unified IC card system...

Oh no Hanoi why u do

Steakandchips
Apr 30, 2009

Imperialist Dog posted:

I safely arrived in China and am staying at my in-laws townhouse in their fancy suburb. We went for a walk and my wife pointed out "Oh here's the house with the fake address. It's supposed to be 34, but they changed it to 98. Now all the delivery people get confused and bring their orders to our house and vice versa."

I wonder, what would happen if you tried this in Not China? Just declared your house to be No. 7 Wisteria Lane and gently caress you if you say different?

In Britain you can have your street number changed to be a word, e.g. Rose Cottage instead of 21 Main Street. There is a process involved, paperwork and approvals

Just changing the sign outside your house would be illegal and stupid.

Did the 34 house in China do it because 98 is more lucky than 34 or some equally poo poo reason?

Universe Master
Jun 20, 2005

Darn Fine Pie

simplefish posted:

America has some food production processes that make it illegal for them to export certain things to Europe, thats one of the things I'll be looking for when I read the full report: is it a case of something considered safe elsewhere being considered unsafe in the US? Will report back.

Sometimes it's pure protectionism disguised as health concerns to hopefully avoid a tit for tat tariff or trade embargo, like the with the chicken tax.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

Steakandchips posted:

Did the 34 house in China do it because 98 is more lucky than 34 or some equally poo poo reason?
Possibly. Both 9 and 8 are lucky numbers. 3 is a lucky number too, but 4 is unlucky. :pseudo:

e:

quote:

The number 3 (三, Pinyin: sān, jyutping: saam) sounds similar to the character for "birth" (生, Pinyin: shēng, jyutping: saang), and is considered a lucky number. The number 3 is significant since there are three important stages in a man’s life (birth, marriage and death). 3 is also used for the word 'Sandwich'. (三明治)

Collateral Damage fucked around with this message at 12:48 on Aug 1, 2017

big time bisexual
Oct 16, 2002

Cool Party

Grand Fromage posted:

I forgot it's also misspelled.



lmbo 三Q

edit: there's a whole series! :vince:

big time bisexual fucked around with this message at 12:54 on Aug 1, 2017

simplefish
Mar 28, 2011

So long, and thanks for all the fish gallbladdΣrs!


Universe Master posted:

Sometimes it's pure protectionism disguised as health concerns to hopefully avoid a tit for tat tariff or trade embargo, like the with the chicken tax.

I know, but for things like hormones in dairy stock it's not

Grand Fromage
Jan 30, 2006

L-l-look at you bar-bartender, a-a pa-pathetic creature of meat and bone, un-underestimating my l-l-liver's ability to metab-meTABolize t-toxins. How can you p-poison a perfect, immortal alcohOLIC?


quote:

The number 3 (三, Pinyin: sān, jyutping: saam) sounds similar to the character for "birth" (生, Pinyin: shēng, jyutping: saang)

So many of these puns confuse the hell out of me because even with my lovely Mandarin, san and sheng do not sound alike at all. The entire language only has like ten syllables if you're this loose with it then everything sounds the same.

I have to assume they were more similar in some dialect ages ago when the pun started?

The Great Autismo!
Mar 3, 2007

by Fluffdaddy

Dr.Radical posted:

I would 10 times out of 10 choose Japan over China

very clever with maracas posted:

for anything, really

ya

vanity slug
Jul 20, 2010

Grand Fromage posted:

I have to assume they were more similar in some dialect ages ago when the pun started?

Take a close look at the jyutping and guess which dialect :ssh:

Gargamel Gibson
Apr 24, 2014
A personal lucky number is dumb but harmless. Cultural (un)lucky numbers are really dumb and make pointless things more annoying.

LentThem
Aug 31, 2004

90% Retractible

big time bisexual posted:

it's just something like "study well and you'll improve yourself every day"

its so strange that this phrase came from a superstitious old hillbilly farmer that hated and felt threatened by intellectuals

P-Mack
Nov 10, 2007

peanut posted:

The Ho Chi Minh project is reusing old cars from other transit systems around the world to save money and be awwwwesome. The Japanese team put special effort into making the every imported car work on a unified IC card system...

Oh no Hanoi why u do

The Japanese train car makers work together very closely. I was talking with a guy in that industry and he was saying how they'll bid on a project with big incentive bonuses for early completion, and then whichever of five companies got the job would subcontract to the other four and finish way ahead of schedule.

mrbotus
Apr 7, 2009

Patron of the Pants

Grand Fromage posted:

So many of these puns confuse the hell out of me because even with my lovely Mandarin, san and sheng do not sound alike at all. The entire language only has like ten syllables if you're this loose with it then everything sounds the same.

I have to assume they were more similar in some dialect ages ago when the pun started?

No it's just dumb.

Speaking of honesty I thought Chinese were way more honest than westerners because they are willing to calling people they've just met fat to their face and are totally non pc. At least that's what quora tells me.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

nickmeister posted:

No it's just dumb.

Speaking of honesty I thought Chinese were way more honest than westerners because they are willing to calling people they've just met fat to their face and are totally non pc. At least that's what quora tells me.

If its work related and or they would be at fault it is an infinite pile of lies that eventually becomes so dense it sucks them into an alternate dimension where what they said was true but leaves you in the original one.

If its being rude, as long as the other person is beneath you and lacks social connections you have immediate interest in its the honorable thing to do to insult them nonstop.

curufinor
Apr 4, 2016

by Smythe

very clever with maracas posted:

People don't care if they do their job well, people don't care if the job gets done at all, people don't care if they get fired. Lepak and eating is much more important than busting your rear end trying to worry about meeting someone else's arbitrary quota of widget production.

I recently re-re-re-re-reread weber's protestant ethic and the spirit of capitalism, and laffed at one of his claims, that capitalism is actually a controlling of the impulse towards greed

I mean, he makes a drat good argument. Like, capitalism was born in the minds of the protestant Dutch and English, somewhat in opposition to Italian adventurist trade. Adventurism whether in Arab traders or Italian satisfices: you make the profit, you call it a day, you try not to require specialized skills because you take the risk, you don't manage and ameliorate the risk. So the actually greedy people get attracted to noncapitalist portions of the economy.

Capitalism isn't about taking the risk, it's about managing the world to lower the risk for a profit. So weber differentiates finance from capitalism itself, which is a way more common definition among sociologists and way less common definition among economists that I've seen. Of course hft and arbitrages like that muddle things

One of the biggest risks in any venture is worthless people. If you're a mercantile enterprise who actually takes risks, it's fine to satisfice on tasks. Or at least, it's not any more dangerous because it's loving perilous anyhow. But you need to educate if you want to make shoes or heavy machinery or something more suited to capitalism than adventurism like that. So having that faith in education which the Protestants were obsessed with and the Catholics weren't was important.

Fun fact: the first public education law in the world was made in the Puritan bits of Massachusetts, in order explicitly to defy Satan

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champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

curufinor posted:


Fun fact: the first public education law in the world was made in the Puritan bits of Massachusetts, in order explicitly to defy Satan

good thing they failed, hail satan

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