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big black turnout posted:today I learned there's a porn tag on tumblr for dime sized assholes alas, goat sized assholes ruined me on the tamer stuff
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TJ0sfXn6budB_CZCPVt-EeY-XPRFVc9NTs0h3jJNOJM/edit So the NH DSA will be holding it's due paying embers-only meeting it lay down it's agenda/bylaws/structure/everything. I'm reading through the agenda outline and I am not a fan of this post it note thing they're doing. Also it's going from 10am-7pm. quote:(11:00 - 12:00) Goal Setting
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OhFunny posted:https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TJ0sfXn6budB_CZCPVt-EeY-XPRFVc9NTs0h3jJNOJM/edit that is too long to have a meeting.
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Impermanent posted:that is too long to have a meeting. that's more time than i spend in a day at my Actual Job, who in the world wants to discuss parliamentary procedure for 9 hours they should probably break that up into multiple meetings, there's no reason to do everything in one day
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only 79,975,000 more to go before we can finally crush the democrats
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Taintrunner posted:only 79,975,000 more to go before we can finally crush the democrats Luckily they seem to be doing everything they can to try and help us.
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I'd have pushed back against these things on the conference call Sunday, but I forgot about it after a hard workweek and spending all day with my gf on Saturday.  edit: Employment and relationships are sabotaging my socialist organizing!
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Taintrunner posted:only 79,975,000 more to go before we can finally crush the democrats I'm not an involved DSA guy (yet) but that's pretty good for basically just a year of being on the public radar
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OhFunny posted:Employment and relationships are sabotaging my socialist organizing! This is why volcels are always the most revolutionary.
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I wish more the DSA chapters had their Constitutions and Bylaws online for frame of reference. All I can find is the NYC-DSA's Constitution.
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OhFunny posted:I wish more the DSA chapters had their Constitutions and Bylaws online for frame of reference. All I can find is the NYC-DSA's Constitution. Here's SF's: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ap2tx7yJ0wUn_gMfDjq5kxHFdUXU89Jg2mxB9diZlmM/ It needs some updating because we all agreed in our steering committee that the way it is written on some things is not how we intended it to be. The biggest thing is that we elected an all-woman-identifying steering committee which is against the rules of the bylaws at the moment. There are some bylaw amendments we are going to pass to get that in order next general.
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Larry Parrish posted:I'm not an involved DSA guy (yet) but that's pretty good for basically just a year of being on the public radar theyre already the largest leftist org in the US since the 60s, and thats the SDS which basically rapidly collapsed when it actually became leftist. the socialist party at its height had less than 100,000 members in the 1910s. the black panther party at its height had 2,000 members. 25k dues paying members is pretty impressive for a political org in the US, and DSA growth is only continuing.
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safely sodomized posted:theyre already the largest leftist org in the US since the 60s, and thats the SDS which basically rapidly collapsed when it actually became leftist. the socialist party at its height had less than 100,000 members in the 1910s. the black panther party at its height had 2,000 members. 25k dues paying members is pretty impressive for a political org in the US, and DSA growth is only continuing. 
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safely sodomized posted:theyre already the largest leftist org in the US since the 60s, and thats the SDS which basically rapidly collapsed when it actually became leftist. the socialist party at its height had less than 100,000 members in the 1910s. the black panther party at its height had 2,000 members. 25k dues paying members is pretty impressive for a political org in the US, and DSA growth is only continuing. yeah i think 25000 people means membership quintupled in a year which is pretty drat good
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Agean90 posted:yeah i think 25000 people means membership quintupled in a year which is pretty drat good yeah even if growth were to slow significantly and it only doubled to reach 50k or so in another year, it'd be probably second only to the socialist party at its very brief height during Debs. ofc thats assuming there's no splits or cointelpro or red scare poo poo which, looking at history, yikes
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Impermanent posted:if it stays relatively decentralized it has a real chance. not if momentum has anything to say about it 
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safely sodomized posted:yeah even if growth were to slow significantly and it only doubled to reach 50k or so in another year, it'd be probably second only to the socialist party at its very brief height during Debs. i think the only real issue here is splits i imagine the IC is too busy with an actively hostile white house and red scare poo poo is a big reason why we're here in the first place imo republicans spening 8 years calling anything left of "sieg heil" socialist did a really good job defanging the term, especially since anyone with a living memory of the USSR is probably well into their 30's edit: or we could also go that route of purging all the 'paper socialists' to form a cadre, that's a pretty massive self-own
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I think that the on-paper numbers are likely to see some shrinkage starting in November from the people who joined but never went to a local not re-uping. The actual number of people who are showing up keeps growing though. I'm hoping for >20,000 extremely in the streets comrades in a year.
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So what's the intel on the momentum vs praxis vs whoever superdelegate counts and/or convincing people out of the worst of their ideas since i have been exceptionally busy with work and not able to prowl facebook and twitter to find this out. I would like to know if our super cool club is going to stay un-schismed after this weekend
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it'll stay unschismed as long as momentum doesn't alienate every chapter with the exception of coastal cities and chicago.
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Impermanent posted:it'll stay unschismed as long as momentum doesn't alienate every chapter with the exception of coastal cities and chicago.
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:all power to the locals The only thing national should be doing in my book is hiring policy wonks to write laws for potential leftist candidates and organize the convention. A lot of people talk about how the system of government in the US is fundamentally broken but I think the generic ideal of a federation where, generally speaking outside of broad stuff like trade, environmental law, criminal law, etc, each state and to a lesser degree each county deciding how it wants to do things is best. So a national organization deciding anything for anyone that isn't a truly national concern like, say, writing potential federal laws, is not only bad for the locals but antithetical to the concept of the United States Larry Parrish has issued a correction as of 06:54 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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It's me, the American exceptionalist communist
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:all power to the locals Tiny brain: chapters Expanding brain: locals Galactic brain: soviets I know it's  but i cant help myself; brain meme too enticing.
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Impermanent posted:it'll stay unschismed as long as momentum doesn't alienate every chapter with the exception of coastal cities and chicago. And, the Momentum people have a lot of pretty vocal critics in the coastal cities too, fyi
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some people want to go to three dots and a dash for tiki drinks this weekend but i want to go to lost lake so i think we're gonna have a schism
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fermun posted:Here's SF's: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ap2tx7yJ0wUn_gMfDjq5kxHFdUXU89Jg2mxB9diZlmM/ Thank you. This is very helpful.
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since momentum has lost 2 people form their slate, i'm p sure that both momentum and praxis could be fully elected to the NPC
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Karl Barks posted:since momentum has lost 2 people form their slate, i'm p sure that both momentum and praxis could be fully elected to the NPC I think it comes down to whether or not both slates combined would meet DSA's diversity quotas, and unless I'm misremembering, Momentum has also been endorsing non-Momentum NPC candidates, which could affect how it all plays out. Seeing as how candidates are voted in individually I wouldn't be surprised if the end result is a mix of both slates and some independents. That said, critical support for Praxis in its struggle against coastal imperialism IMO.
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Karl Barks posted:since momentum has lost 2 people form their slate, i'm p sure that both momentum and praxis could be fully elected to the NPC Otoh someone way more online than me in my chapter said that RL has alienated everyone in Praxis Is there any nugget of truth to this?
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I very much hope DSA finds an effective resolution of its funding and organization issues: Clearly, it needs resources, both locally and nationally, and they have to come from somewhere. But I also hope there's a great deal of sensitivity to how they are requested. The broader the overall membership, the more significant the impact DSA will have, but limiting membership or categories of members based on financial contributions is not an insignificant decision: (i) it will intrinsically preference those with an ability to pay and/or a willingness to pay for what may at first be an unfamiliar organization or set of political positions (it may be a tough first communication in terms of attracting poor voters especially, but even when I think of the factory workers I know, for whom affordability is less an issue, I'd really want to have them be able to participate for a good while before asking them to pitch in) and (ii) it will limit membership overall compared to major political parties, with which a person can gain affiliation and identification simply by registering. It's obviously DSA's call, but one possibility that might be worth considering is having (a) significant membership drives in some form, with members not having a baseline obligation to pay, but a means to do so optionally, and (b) separately, funding drives, requesting but not demanding contributions, and with options offered for in kind contributions (time, materials, etc.).
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jarofpiss posted:some people want to go to three dots and a dash for tiki drinks this weekend but i want to go to lost lake so i think we're gonna have a schism Lost Lake is the correct Chicago tiki bar choice by a long shot.
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