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I love how he blames Valve for not telling him he didn't have the right type of Visa with a handwavey "I probably should have looked into it more myself" Like no poo poo when you are doing a job you've never done before in a country you've never done it in before you should probably check if you have the correct paperwork. But it's all good because now he won't be at TI so everyone wins!
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Wezlar posted:I love how he blames Valve for not telling him he didn't have the right type of Visa with a handwavey "I probably should have looked into it more myself" his US-based employer specifically asked him for his visa information, he sent it in and never heard from them again. it's not the biggest leap from there to go "i guess this means all is well". also to my knowledge you can't actually get a work visa to the US without an employer acting as petitioner to the government, so why valve/pgl wouldn't automatically start the application for all the people they want to employ is kind of beyond me. even if for some reason they want their employees to initiate the application process by themselves, they have to get involved. you would think that the responsible people at some point go "hey we've never been contacted by the US gov for the work visa of XYZ, something is wrong, better look into this".
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Aug 1, 2017 11:29
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Wait so does that mean valve has been sneaking in other talent using incorrect visas for years?
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Aug 1, 2017 11:39
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IncendiaC posted:Wait so does that mean valve has been sneaking in other talent using incorrect visas for years? i've been looking around for more info on that as well, and... it seems that way?? apparently work visas cost money for the employer, so valve's workaround has been to make everyone attend events with tourist visas, with the players and talent simply saying they're here for a visit instead of work. which, if true, is scummy as hell. https://twitter.com/scantzor/status/892324976178544644 (read replies as well)
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botany posted:i've been looking around for more info on that as well, and... it seems that way?? apparently work visas cost money for the employer, so valve's workaround has been to make everyone attend events with tourist visas, with the players and talent simply saying they're here for a visit instead of work. which, if true, is scummy as hell. Christ
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Aug 1, 2017 11:47
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fyi i have no way to know whether that stuff is true, so take it with a grain of salt.
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okay i have a way to verify that, turns out H1B visa sponsorships by US companies are public record and valve hasn't sponsored any players or any talents, which means none of them came in with a work visa. jesus loving christ http://h1bdata.info/listlca.php?em=Valve%20Corporation
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Aug 1, 2017 11:54
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botany posted:his US-based employer specifically asked him for his visa information, he sent it in and never heard from them again. it's not the biggest leap from there to go "i guess this means all is well". also to my knowledge you can't actually get a work visa to the US without an employer acting as petitioner to the government, so why valve/pgl wouldn't automatically start the application for all the people they want to employ is kind of beyond me. even if for some reason they want their employees to initiate the application process by themselves, they have to get involved. you would think that the responsible people at some point go "hey we've never been contacted by the US gov for the work visa of XYZ, something is wrong, better look into this". I guess I can see why he wouldn't think there was a problem if they never said anything, just personally if they asked me for my Visa and I had never worked in the US before outside of competition I would probably think "Do I have the right kind of Visa? I should look into this."
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Aug 1, 2017 11:55
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botany posted:fyi i have no way to know whether that stuff is true, so take it with a grain of salt. Not the first time I've heard this (although that was related to players not getting the correct visa for competitive events and applying for the business/tourist visa).
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Aug 1, 2017 11:56
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botany posted:okay i have a way to verify that, turns out H1B visa sponsorships by US companies are public record and valve hasn't sponsored any players or any talents, which means none of them came in with a work visa. jesus loving christ Gotta love libertarians
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Wezlar posted:I guess I can see why he wouldn't think there was a problem if they never said anything, just personally if they asked me for my Visa and I had never worked in the US before outside of competition I would probably think "Do I have the right kind of Visa? I should look into this." again, he can't get a work visa without valve getting involved, and apparently they don't do that, ever.
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botany posted:okay i have a way to verify that, turns out H1B visa sponsorships by US companies are public record and valve hasn't sponsored any players or any talents, which means none of them came in with a work visa. jesus loving christ botany posted:again, he can't get a work visa without valve getting involved, and apparently they don't do that, ever. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if most of the talent really don't have the correct visas, but couldn't they be on some sort of P-1 P-2 or P-3 visas? Do entertainers need an employer to sponsor their visa? edit: From what I can tell here he could probably qualify for an O-1/P-1 visa and all he would require from Valve would be a copy of his contract? Wezlar fucked around with this message at 12:08 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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Aug 1, 2017 12:02
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Imagine this is all true and all of a sudden the US cracks down just as TI starts...
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Valve has worked with senators and officials for years on this kind of thing. Based on wording it does seem like the B-1 isn't sufficient but if the US was letting people in for years with that, it's hard to blame them. I don't think it's cost though. It would seem that all talent/players would be covered under a P-1 which doesn't make the employer pay for anything. If they needed H-1Bs though that's another story.
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Aug 1, 2017 12:13
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lol i love how they didnt tell him that yo u have to lie, tell them ure just visiting
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Aug 1, 2017 12:13
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Wezlar posted:I honestly wouldn't be surprised if most of the talent really don't have the correct visas, but couldn't they be on some sort of P-1 P-2 or P-3 visas? Do entertainers need an employer to sponsor their visa? P visas are for non-paying gigs only, and getting an O1 is basically impossible unless you're a best-selling rockstar or david copperfield or whatever. players presumably travel on B1 visas because they're counted as amateurs who play for prize money only rather than a fixed salary, and i'm guessing talent is expected to lie.  edit: i'm wrong, P1 visas can cover paying gigs as well. honestly i'm not an expert and this is all pretty confusing. botany fucked around with this message at 12:17 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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NLJP posted:Imagine this is all true and all of a sudden the US cracks down just as TI starts... Someone report Valve to ICE on day one of the main event... botany posted:P visas are for non-paying gigs only, and getting an O1 is basically impossible unless you're a best-selling rockstar or david copperfield or whatever. players presumably travel on B1 visas because they're counted as amateurs who play for prize money only rather than a fixed salary, and i'm guessing talent is expected to lie. There's a waiver for people competing in tournaments where they can receive prize money only by coming in on a B1 visa without the need to apply for a B1 visa beforehand (if they're from a particular country and also a "Professional") but Bulldog is getting paid for doing work, not competing. http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/if-i-go-the-us-sports-competition-where-i-might-win-prize-can-i-b-2-visa.html
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Ragingsheep posted:Someone report Valve to ICE on day one of the main event... This is how we get GrandGrant his TI casting gig
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watch this, sajedene knows what she's talking about better than all of us. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5VSKbXVhr7Y
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Not Al-Qaeda posted:lol i love how they didnt tell him that yo u have to lie, tell them ure just visiting this is what happened almost for certain I honestly don't get the people outraged about 'these scummy practices from Valve', its basically the way all of esports and a lot of industries work? imagine clutching your pearls that someone is in the country on a visa that doesn't necessarily match the letter of their intent its almost certainly less about ducking fees and the fact that applying for work visas comes under a LOT more scrutiny and is just much much harder to get, and business visas are both narrower and still hard to get, so just be tourists & entertainers because, well, you're a video game enthusiast attending a convention e: \/ \/ \/ Yeah, exactly. Ambivalent fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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Aug 1, 2017 12:39
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So the options here are that Valve has run a highly successful human smuggling ring for six years, orrr the fat kappa man hosed up. Gee which is more likely.
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a witch posted:So the options here are that Valve has run a highly successful human smuggling ring for six years, orrr the fat kappa man hosed up. Valve being dumb about visas happens every year
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a witch posted:So the options here are that Valve has run a highly successful human smuggling ring for six years, orrr the fat kappa man hosed up. It's not like Valve have ever had visa issues before
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who knew running your billion dollar company like a hippie commune would have consequences.
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maybe take issue with the byzantine and decrepit visa system that fails to accommodate for the realities of travel in the 21st issue
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Ambivalent posted:maybe take issue with the byzantine and decrepit visa system that fails to accommodate for the realities of travel in the 21st issue You can take issue with both
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It's a pretty niche case. He should probably be applying under a P, or even an O, visa. Anyway, I only ever venture into this thread once a year for TI. Who should I be watching? Who is the favourite? What are the good storylines coming into the event? Lay knowledge on me thread.
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Andrast posted:You can take issue with both yeah, but it seems weird to frame this is a 'scummy Valve!!' issue when it's de facto standard practice in esports and tons of other irregular, unusual or in-between cases.
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Jeza posted:Anyway, I only ever venture into this thread once a year for TI. Who should I be watching? Who is the favourite? What are the good storylines coming into the event? OG, Liquid, VP and EG are the favourites - in what order people will argue. Personally, my dark horse is TNC.
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Ragingsheep posted:OG, Liquid, VP and EG are the favourites - in what order people will argue. Personally, my dark horse is TNC. IG and Newbee should be up there as well. ppd said he thinks there are 8 or 9 teams that can easily take the title this year, there's really no clear favorites. which is cool! i like how even the competition is, even though we (probably) won't get to see another wings gaming-esque stomp.
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alright just submitted an anonymous tip to the ICE about valve illegally employing staff at TI gently caress em up, boys!
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Aug 1, 2017 13:55
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If they need a fat racist to read twitch emotes then I'm sure Mason will be free after day one.
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YawaR is gonna finally get to play at TI
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botany posted:https://twitter.com/AdmiralBulldog/status/892346367800160256 lmfao dumbass
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I'm a valve fanboy and this is 100% on Bulldog.
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A lot of companies do what Valve does because the visa system is mostly insane. You can go through hours/days of paperwork, visa travel, interviews, etc to get into the country to work a week long tournament or you can just tell the guy at the airport that you are visiting and you have a return ticket and they wave you past.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:A lot of companies do what Valve does because the visa system is mostly insane. You can go through hours/days of paperwork, visa travel, interviews, etc to get into the country to work a week long tournament or you can just tell the guy at the airport that you are visiting and you have a return ticket and they wave you past. how did he not talk to literally anyone else? He was on the same flight with akke as well. He just assumed everything would be fine if he said he was going to work an event lol.
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GOOD TIMES ON METH posted:A lot of companies do what Valve does because the visa system is mostly insane. You can go through hours/days of paperwork, visa travel, interviews, etc to get into the country to work a week long tournament or you can just tell the guy at the airport that you are visiting and you have a return ticket and they wave you past. yeah I work for a Deeply Traditional Corporation and we still run into this poo poo routinely, despite having HR and legal people tearing their hair out trying to make sure it's sorted out
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