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mod sassinator posted:Do the nukes even matter? The north has thousands of hidden artillery cannons all aimed and ready to go at carpeting Seoul in artillery. They could probably lob a few waves of incendiary rounds into the heart of the city and just watch the fireworks. yes the nukes matter. Their artillery is not capable of hitting seoul like you describe.
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TheScott2K posted:People have been saying this poo poo for decades and every crisis ends up getting defused with bags of rice. This does not seem applicable to the situation we have. Trying to kick the can down the road and with bags of rice was all well and fun but they have jumped quite a bit in capability it seems, so that vague/fuzzy future seems to be attainable within the next 12 months? TheScott2K posted:Why is it off the table?
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Enigma89 posted:Does anyone else think that unless we resolve things peacefully with North Korea, we pretty much have no option but to invade sometime soon? Better now than 2 years from now when they can reliably hit a major city in the US? Some of us thought that point was 5-10 years ago. It would have "just" been Iraq x10,000 then, not Hiroshima x2. Also, americans note really caring about dead people if they're not (white) 'murican! pisses of US allies.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:i honestly believe he will do it or at least try. he wants to be remembered and if he "solves" the korean issue then he will have a legacy. i think he will just start bombing one day or announce it on twitter. Or he'll order bombing and plan to announce it on Twitter after it starts, but mess up the time zone and tip off the North Koreans fifty minutes before the sorties begin.
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Enigma89 posted:Well that's not really the question I asked. I was asking if military action happens would you prefer it now or later? Later could be with a more competent president but further DPRK missile capabilities or now where the homeland is relatively safe but have Trump at the helm. Your asking the wrong question. If we have military action at any point we have failed. NK is insane enough that if they are on the losing end they will try to gently caress everyone up even if it annihilates the whole peninsula. Doesn't matter if it happens now or 10 years from now. And that wont be the end of it either, I can't imagine what that will do to our relations with China. I don't think it would trigger apocalyptic nuclear war between them and us but it would be such an unprecedented event who even knows how it will end. But in short, military action against the NK would be the dumb idea to end all dumb ideas.
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BootStrap posted:You just know that was Chuck Todd. I will never forget Chuck Todd's face on election night when he realized Trump was winning. He could barely even speak.
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Majorian posted:McGrath looks good to me, but Kentucky is actually exactly the sort of place where a Bernie Sanders platform would do well: lots of working class folks whose communities have suffered from globalization over the past few decades, a popular state health care exchange, a heavy degree of dissatisfaction with Trumpcare, etc. Populism works in places in like Kentucky. same. she is fine and good and id vote for her, but id prefer a more left leaning/progressive candidate. she isnt as lovely as clinton and has real messages apparently. so i hope she wins. Enigma89 posted:Does anyone else think that unless we resolve things peacefully with North Korea, we pretty much have no option but to invade sometime soon? Better now than 2 years from now when they can reliably hit a major city in the US? i sadly think war/conflict is probaly going to happen at some point with north Korea again unless china pushes a internal coup which makes them a slightly better place(more open and "free" like china). there are no good options on the table. you either give them what they want and keep doing that, or bribe them to "be good" with food shiptments and money with long drawn out negotiations that never go anywhere, or gently caress them up and start a war.
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Enigma89 posted:This does not seem applicable to the situation we have. Trying to kick the can down the road and with bags of rice was all well and fun but they have jumped quite a bit in capability it seems, so that vague/fuzzy future seems to be attainable within the next 12 months? Why is it necessary to intercede with military action? IMO North Korea's saber rattling is an attempt to get people to pay attention to them, and Trump is dumb enough that he probably believes everything they say as being real.
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Pellisworth posted:https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/press-briefing-press-secretary-sarah-sanders-2 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKopIUlqHnc YT Link.
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Pellisworth posted:https://www.whitehouse.gov/live/press-briefing-press-secretary-sarah-sanders-2 Someone with an art degree tell me what the costume designer is trying to convey through Shucks' wardrobe this season.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Someone with an art degree tell me what the costume designer is trying to convey through Shucks' wardrobe this season. She has that "Just rescued from the bunker" look.
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tetrapyloctomy posted:Or he'll order bombing and plan to announce it on Twitter after it starts, but mess up the time zone and tip off the North Koreans fifty minutes before the sorties begin. 
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When is the US government expected to hit the debt limit?
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Enigma89 posted:This does not seem applicable to the situation we have. Trying to kick the can down the road and with bags of rice was all well and fun but they have jumped quite a bit in capability it seems, so that vague/fuzzy future seems to be attainable within the next 12 months? "UN Inspectors are nice and all, but they've got mobile chemical weapons labs in RVs now!" 
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Stairmaster posted:yes the nukes matter. Their artillery is not capable of hitting seoul like you describe. North Korean artillery could absolutely hit Seoul. http://nationalinterest.org/feature/5-north-korean-weapons-south-korea-should-fear-14825 "Most of the artillery pieces—numbering in the thousands—are already in place, camouflaged and dug in. Neither the U.S. military nor South Korean forces can hope to eliminate those weapons before they obliterate the city—which by some estimates would take less than two hours. By some estimates, the city could be hit by over half-a-million shells in under an hour."
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Fitzy Fitz posted:Someone with an art degree tell me what the costume designer is trying to convey through Shucks' wardrobe this season. Little home on the prairie ruffles but black like she is in mourning. Sounds legit to me.
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TheScott2K posted:"UN Inspectors are nice and all, but they've got mobile chemical weapons labs in RVs now!" Check my post history but I was against the Iraq war and in most cases against any sort of foreign intervention which is why I was against Bush, Obama and Clinton. Nice try though.
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Steven Mnuchin is pushing for a clean ceiling increase so maybe he's next on the not loyal chopping block, or maybe because this is something that most people aren't informed about, it's just going to happen http://www.politico.com/story/2017/08/01/clean-debt-ceiling-boost-steve-mnuchin-241200
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man she's hammering hard on "Russia stories are all fake news, Dems are the real colluders they got help from Ukraine!"
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"If you want someone who's actually tough on Russia, look no further than Trump"
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CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON!
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lol, It's August and NBC has, for the 700th time, insinuated that Trump can finally become the President.
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But Obama! But Hillary!
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With how much they talk about Hillary you would think that she won the election. Jesus christ.
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HAha everyone was "Sarah, what's funny about that?" wrt Trump's "police brutality joke" in a chorus
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"It was a joke!" "So he was joking about police brutality?" "GAWD! You keep trying to make up a narrative here! I HAVE THREE KIDS!"
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PhazonLink posted:Bro, who you calling a turd? I've said it before but i'll say it again. If Paul Ryan were ever to find himself in a situation where he was homeless and forced to fend entirely for himself then his probable lifespan would be measured in hours. People who have spent extensive amounts of time in a survival situation get a sense for how internally tough an individual is. "I can smell two drops of bitch from up to a mile away" was a favorite expression of one of the guys that I rolled with when I was homeless. And in this photo set bitchassness is rolling off Ryan in such thick rivulets that on the streets one would likely feel almost obligated on principal to begin his educational process. Prester Jane fucked around with this message at 19:40 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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The artillery has always been sufficient deterrent as long as SK is in bed with the US. The nukes mean that SK could fall out of favor with the international community but we still wouldn't gently caress with them. MAD is still quite obviously a thing, though, and it's clear that this is all about letting the good times roll for the Kims, not some armageddon suicide pact. Glassing an island in Hawaii (or some spot in the ocean 50 miles away) is still an international party foul that gives the whole planet (including China, who won't pick NK over the rest of the world) an excuse to pop the zit. We dont "have to" invade. It's a siege, we just keep right on siege-ing until either a coup or a generational shift gives us someone to work with.
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Come on, I need my scandal fix for the day. It's already past noon!
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Maybe someone with a bit more knowledge on the subject can clarify, but what is the status of the China/DPRK relationship? One of the biggest arguments against war I've heard (besides nukes) is the US and China both being drawn into a war neither really wants on opposite sides of the battlefield. Regardless of it all, diplomacy is definitely the best option. NK doesn't want war. They just want to be left alone to enjoy their dictatorship. Antagonizing the world is what gets them left alone for as long as it has. The Kim's have cultivated the crazy will do anything appearance to perfection. Just the fact everyone has the conversation of "will they nuke the world?!" Means they accomplished what they wanted with the missile tests. Even more so with someone like Trump sitting on the other side of the negotiating table.
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Ahaha are we buying broke rear end Boeings from Russia now?
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"The Trump statement was entirely truthful." "You were on the plane, do you think it was truthful?" "I didn't hear. I was on the other side of the plane."
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Holy god please don't gently caress with nk. I hope that there are some sane or at least some isolationist voices in Trump's ear begging him not to.
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/892454136108773380 Always fun when Jay Sekulow is directly contradicted
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Enigma89 posted:Does anyone else think that unless we resolve things peacefully with North Korea, we pretty much have no option but to invade sometime soon? Better now than 2 years from now when they can reliably hit a major city in the US? This is what I think. It's either diplomacy or war now. No way can you do war in 2+ years when NYC/DC/LA/etc could be nuked.
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"Trump has a credibility issue, how does he plan to go about fixing that issue after failing to tell the truth?" "Well, he's gonna do it by starting to tell the truth, as he has done every single day of this administration" ekeog posted:https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/892454136108773380 Someone should keep a counter of every time the administration somehow contradicts their own lawyers.
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Retro42 posted:Maybe someone with a bit more knowledge on the subject can clarify, but what is the status of the China/DPRK relationship? I really don't think China is going to declare war on the US if North Korea is invaded. They treat them as an embarrassing poor relation from what I understand, not a staunch ally who must be protected with some kind of equivalent of Article 5. Most likely they'd get really mad, slap some kind of sanctions on the US and harden the border and man their anti-refugee weapons platforms.
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