Yinlock posted:

my #1 with a bullet is still Actual Punishments For Rich People Breaking Rules though

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Our defense relationship is critical to both nations, which is why I support the United States' commitment to provide Israel with $38 billion in military assistance over the next decade. It is why I support full funding for Israel, including for the Arrow, David's Sling, and the Iron Dome missile defense systems which save lives. And that's why I am fully committing to maintaining Israel's qualitative military edge.

At the same time the United States must never permit Iran to develop a nuclear weapon. The Iran nuclear deal must be vigorously enforced through robust monitoring, inspection, and verification. And if Iran cheats, there's no question. Iran must be held accountable. And so as Iran inserts itself in Syria, including through the deployment of advanced military equipment and missiles that threaten Israel, we must not tolerate Iran fanning the flames of instability and violence in the region.

In addition, Russia's explicit support for these actions is a direct threat to American interest, and it makes Israel less secure. So I say the Trump administration must be crystal-clear with Putin. Russia must stop its support of Iran. This is a threat to the United States, and it is a threat to Israel.

Main Paineframe posted:

what if we just fine them 5% of their quarterly profits?

ex post facho posted:

im worried about what swallowing miami, orlando, tampa and jacksonville will do to the health of the ocean

Agean90 posted:

the Democrat party elite, being made up of rich people, woulde never go for it I think

Bro Dad posted:

the seawater will poison the aquifer and turn the whole state into uninhabitable mad max land long before it finally sinks

so good luck dealing with all the geriatric scooter raiders

Yinlock posted:

also take away any certification from anyone who gets mad about desegregation

youre mad about your white kid being near black kids? well guess what you never passed kindergarten. sad.

Serf posted:

do people actually call the cops when their car breaks down

zegermans posted:

punishing racists is classism

zegermans posted:

punishing racists is classism

Yinlock posted:

i discriminate against the racist class

Frijolero posted:

https://twitter.com/OurRevolution/status/892447338710654976

anime was right posted:

even if bad dems dont support anything on there, automatic voter registration would help them win against republicans and getting rid of voter suppression should be a huge, huge, huge priority that everyone can agree on from the center to the left.

anime was right posted:

even if bad dems dont support anything on there, automatic voter registration would help them win against republicans and getting rid of voter suppression should be a huge, huge, huge priority that everyone can agree on from the center to the left.

Main Paineframe posted:

idk about you but I don't think I'm going to talk about what's in the bill until he actually reveals the bill. and even then, Dems don't have a very good record on keeping their promises right now

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While Democratic senators who are up for reelection in 2018 were briefed on the new message ahead of time, their campaign teams are unlikely to rely heavily on a line that ties them closely to their unpopular national party, said a number of strategists working on those races. A similar dynamic faces the party’s gubernatorial candidates: Twenty-seven of the contested seats are held by Republicans, including some in heavily conservative states where national Democrats are especially unpopular.

“If you’re not in the majority, there shouldn’t be a coordinated message,” said another Democratic consultant who is working on a wide range of 2018 races, acknowledging that arguing against a unified message is unfashionable at the moment. “The message should be: ‘The other guy sucks,’ or ‘The Iraq War sucks,’ depending on the decade.”

Moderate House Democrats have taken a cautious approach to the new messaging strategy.

Lawmakers from left-of-center groups like the New Democrats and the Blue Dog Coalition joined other members at the lectern to tout the “Better Deal” during a news conference last week. But while both groups have broadly endorsed the idea of a pro-economic agenda — something they said was sorely lacking heading into November 2016 — they’ve noticeably shied away from voicing support for the specific progressive-leaning policy ideas outlined so far.

“We agree on the broader goal of creating economic prosperity for the American people,” said Texas Democratic Rep. Henry Cuellar, another Blue Dog leader. “What we want to do is create economic opportunities, not guarantee results.”

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left-of-center groups like the New Democrats and the Blue Dog Coalition

The Little Kielbasa posted:

DC statehood is a similar deal. Not only is it the right thing to do, it'd give the Dems two more senators for the foreseeable future. So even the centrists should back it for strategic reasons.

Main Paineframe posted:

https://twitter.com/politico/status/892399050695331841

ex post facho posted:

Progressives want to sign up everyone automatically without affirming citizenship or an opt-out. What they call “automatic voter registration” is really “mandatory voter registration.” Here’s why it’s a bad idea:

Not everyone wants to be registered to vote. Forcing inclusion against their will is an act of a top-down, authoritarian government.

• It violates a citizen’s basic free speech rights, such as expressing displeasure with the electoral process by not participating. Then there’s the issue of privacy — voter registration lists are publicly available.

• It opens the door for vote fraud, because it fills voter rolls with people who may have no intention of ever voting, or transients, or college students who would be able to vote again in their home districts.

• There is no reliable way to ensure that all registrants are actually U.S. citizens. Some states now issue driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants.

• It’s the gateway to mandatory voting. President Obama has already floated the idea. Compliance could be forced through threat of fines by the federal tax system, as with health insurance under Obamacare.

Early voting — For more than 200 years, Americans voted on Election Day. Progressives are stretching out the process, sometimes for weeks. Here’s why it’s a bad idea:

• You get less-informed voters. Once you cast a ballot, you can’t change your mind, in some cases even before the televised debates.

• It’s expensive, necessitating more poll workers and more salaries.

• It’s a solution in search of a problem. Long lines are rare. An MIT study of the 2012 election pegged the average wait at 14 minutes.

• Early voting puts more money into politics. Campaigns are drawn out, making them more expensive and complicated.

• It means fewer election observers. It’s difficult enough to get volunteer poll watchers to turn out on one day much less week after week.

• It doesn’t enlarge overall turnout. States with early voting have no empirical increase.

• Finally, it destroys one of America’s great common cultural experiences. Few events compare to the unity of voting as a nation every four years on Election Day.

Same-Day Voting — Progressives want to allow people to register on the same day they cast their votes. This is unwise.

• It gives neither officials nor poll watchers time to validate the registration.

• It increases voter lines because of the time it takes to process same day voters.

• It encourages “voting by the truckload,” in which otherwise politically unmotivated people are hustled to the polls and told how to vote — often for payment.

• It causes unnecessary confusion on Election Day, leading to skepticism about the fairness and accuracy of the system.

Voter Photo ID Laws — No election reform is more needed, or more dishonestly attacked, than these statutes, which progressives liken to Jim Crow — the racist system that disenfranchised Southern blacks for generations.

Here’s why voter ID laws are necessary:

• More than 200 counties around the nation have far more than 100 percent of their age-eligible residents registered to vote. In 2012, the Pew Center on the States found problems with more than 24 million voter registrations, including 1.8 million deceased people on voting rolls.

• In 2008, the U.S. Supreme Court upheld Indiana’s photo voter ID law, finding no evidence that such laws disadvantage minorities.

• Minority turnout has actually increased in voter ID states, such as Indiana, Georgia and North Carolina.

• Opponents claim racial discrimination by insisting that 25 percent of black American adults lack a government-issued photo ID. This would mean that millions of African-American men and women cannot legally drive, cash a check, adopt a pet or do many other everyday activities requiring a photo ID.

• Strong majorities in all racial and political categories support voter ID laws, including African Americans, Hispanics, Democrats, Republicans and Independents.

• Opponents argue that there is no substantial vote fraud, despite documented evidence. This is a serious crime. Shouldn’t everyone want to prevent disenfranchising any legitimate voters?

There are many more arguments for voter ID and other commonsense safeguards to protect our election system, but this should inoculate anyone against the most common lies of the left. Well, at least their current batch.

Main Paineframe posted:

https://twitter.com/politico/status/892399050695331841

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Still, several centrist lawmakers and aides told POLITICO they are encouraged that their leaders are shifting the spotlight away from social issues that threaten to divide the party and toward economic issues, on which there is more agreement.

Blue Dogs, in particular, say they are encouraged by the attention they have received from Democratic leaders after years of feeling that they were stuck on the margins. They’ve worked closely with House Democrats’ campaign arm on recruitment in recent months and are relieved pro-jobs policies finally seem to be the party’s focus.

Main Paineframe posted:

https://twitter.com/politico/status/892399050695331841

ex post facho posted:

dems really are a massive pile of poo poo from the top down

they're going to get crushed in 2018 because they decided to go with a knockoff papa john's slogan and completely ignore the real lessons of 2016

at best we get president horsefucker who ramps up the acceleration to autocratic theocracy who gets re-elected in 2020, still with control of congress

Al! posted:

i think its more about their car breaking down in an awkward place

ex post facho posted:

dems really are a massive pile of poo poo from the top down

they're going to get crushed in 2018 because they decided to go with a knockoff papa john's slogan and completely ignore the real lessons of 2016

Concerned Citizen posted:

the senate passed a bill to give dc representation in the house in 2009, unfortunately the gop managed to get an amendment in that would strip away dc's gun regulations. this amendment subsequently tanked the bill in the house as dc leadership switched to opposition.

Al! posted:

there were no lessons to learn in 2016! stay the course, we've been successful thus far. maybe we could get obama to torpedo some more progressive candidates?

Main Paineframe posted:

ex post facho posted:

actually its not that the dems are failing at being good messengers, they're actually succeeding at it, we (the proverbial poor "we" and not the dem donor class) just arent the intended targets of the message

rn i strongly believe the dems are trying to position themselves as Escape from Trump York and the only sane choice for businesses and conservatives, hence doubling down on neoliberal economic ideas instead of supporting social welfare programs with broad support in the base

and they're going to get loving crushed again, and hopefully it's the last knell for the party as a whole and will allow something new to take its place

Scent of Worf posted:

nice. figures that when they finally decide to put economic issues at the forefront they decide to cater to the blue dogs xD