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Phi230 posted:lol at thinking this like they aren't missing school because they are on the loving magic school bus, in most cases of *willful* truancy by a parent it's going to involve either mental illness or substance abuse. that much truancy is a likely sign of other abuse as well, as pretty clearly a parent doesn't give much of a poo poo about the kids if they aren't even bothering sending them to school. we're talking about like, 9 and 10 year olds here. not 16 year olds. SHY NUDIST GRRL posted:Yeah gently caress home schoolers, unironically home schooling is bad but at least there's a system for it. but yes i agree if the law is used to hit people who are literally unable to make arrangements to get their kid to school consistently and on time (is it?), that's a big problem.
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Concerned Citizen posted:ca already had fairly harsh laws, in this case it's only kindergarten through 8th grade and the student has to miss 10% of the school year, then ignore counseling and warnings. in those cases i'd imagine the parent is likely complicit in the kid missing school, unless there is some serious medical/behavioral issue in which case the district needs to work the parent to deal with it. i'm not really aware of what ca school districts are required to do in these cases though, maybe someone else knows. You are sheltered as gently caress, Jesus.
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Main Paineframe posted:https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/892446603944112129 t this poo poo has blown up among my liberal friends and it doesn't stand up to even the slightest scrutiny. Also that author used to work at The Tablet which is basically an Israeli propaganda rag
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Lol loving enjoy your subscriptions
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WhiskeyJuvenile posted:Lol loving enjoy your subscriptions I find a new reason to regret mine drat near everyday
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and to think that cc is paid an awful lot of money to be completely wrong and a colossal piece of poo poo. i mean, i ain't even mad -- nice work if you can get it because i just assumed that a job like that usually involves kissing the dead rear end of roger ailles.
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Concerned Citizen posted:like they aren't missing school because they are on the loving magic school bus, in most cases of *willful* truancy by a parent it's going to involve either mental illness or substance abuse. that much truancy is a likely sign of other abuse as well, as pretty clearly a parent doesn't give much of a poo poo about the kids if they aren't even bothering sending them to school. we're talking about like, 9 and 10 year olds here. not 16 year olds. you advise people in the democratic party....? 
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just to be clear are you all actually against compulsory education or something
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democrats pay for the advice who thinks it's a good idea to lock up parents of truant kids? 
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Concerned Citizen posted:just to be clear are you all actually against compulsory education or something yeah, you cracked the case *pulls succ zone mask off the anti-education thread*
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Condiv posted:democrats pay for the advice who thinks it's a good idea to lock up parents of truant kids? is there any state that doesn't actually have criminal penalties for refusing to send your kid to school?
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Concerned Citizen posted:is there any state that doesn't actually have criminal penalties for refusing to send your kid to school? perhaps? lots of states used to and still have anti-sodomy laws on the books. you gonna pretend those are a good idea too?
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Suck Zone: Butt, if it isn't legal...
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Condiv posted:perhaps? lots of states used to and still have anti-sodomy laws on the books. you gonna pretend those are a good idea too? well those are called "compulsory education laws." idk what other way you're supposed to get a parent who deliberately refuses to send their kids to school to do so without compelling them. it's obviously very different from someone who has chronic health issues or other circumstances that make it difficult to get their kid to school on time or consistently, there's no reason that should be a criminal case, but in the case of someone who is healthy has the means but refuses to do so, there's clearly serious problems in that household.
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Concerned Citizen posted:well those are called "compulsory education laws." idk what other way you're supposed to get a parent who deliberately refuses to send their kids to school to do so without compelling them. it's obviously very different from someone who has chronic health issues or other circumstances that make it difficult to get their kid to school on top or consistently, there's no reason that should be a criminal case, but in the case of someone who is healthy has the means but refuses to do so, there's clearly serious problems in that household. how does sending the parent to jail (for a year to boot!) get them to send their kids to school? are they supposed to send their kids regular letters from their prison cell reminding them to attend class?
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mandatory re-education camps for all
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Main Paineframe posted:https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/892446603944112129 holyy fuckin lol
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Condiv posted:how does sending the parent to jail (for a year to boot!) get them to send their kids to school? are they supposed to send their kids regular letters from their prison cell reminding them to attend class? they shouldn't have custody over a kid they are unable to parent. seems fairly commonsense. i don't think you need to send them to prison for 6 months or something but there should definitely be criminal penalties, it's abusive to the child and it's not like you aren't getting a shitload of warnings.
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Concerned Citizen posted:they shouldn't have custody over a kid they are unable to parent. seems fairly commonsense. i don't think you need to send them to prison for 6 months or something but there should definitely be criminal penalties, it's abusive to the child and it's not like you aren't getting a shitload of warnings. why are you assuming they cannot parent? lot of kids grow up as latchkey kids, and if some of them are truant you think it's a good idea to rip them away from their families to put into an already way overburdened foster system? how are you this hosed up? no wonder the dems can't understand the problems facing americans when they have idiots like you who thinks breaking up poor families helps anyone
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like, you are straight out assuming families with truant kids are abusive and using that to justify breaking them apart! if the families are abusive, that can be proven via normal means and the kids removed appropriately, not ripping them away from their family and friends cause they didn't go to school enough for rich technocrats like you
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some kids are truant cause they work (more than they should yes!) to help support their siblings! according to you they don't deserve to live at home even if their parents are doing their best to raise them
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Condiv posted:why are you assuming they cannot parent? lot of kids grow up as latchkey kids, and if some of them are truant you think it's a good idea to rip them away from their families to put into an already way overburdened foster system? how are you this hosed up? no wonder the dems can't understand the problems facing americans when they have idiots like you who thinks breaking up poor families helps anyone i was a latchkey kid, i'm aware of the poo poo involved with that. but as i've repeatedly said earlier, which i assume you've just ignored on purpose, there is absolutely no reason to use criminal penalties on parents whose kids either have behaviorial issues they just can't control or have financial or health issues preventing them from consistently getting their kids to school. but in the case where a parent is simply willfully defying the law, whether because of mental illness, substance abuse, or because they just don't give a poo poo, they shouldn't have those kids. it's not "hosed up" to remove them from that, it's hosed up to keep kids in homes where the parents don't care about them.
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Condiv posted:some kids are truant cause they work (more than they should yes!) to help support their siblings! according to you they don't deserve to live at home even if their parents are doing their best to raise them don't really think "child labor" is a good reason for kids to be truant for months tbh
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your entire reasoning is based in gut feelings, informed by your idiotic perception of the poor as abusive and undermining themselves. there is no basis from which to believe punitive truancy laws help improve attendance, but you punish all the same cause your gut tells you it's the right thing to do:quote:Many states have similar punishments codified in law, but according to Joanna Heilbrunn, director of the National Center for School Engagement, and several other educational policy organizations who responded to the Guardian’s requests, there is no concrete data to back up the idea that fining and jailing parents helps fight truancy.
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Concerned Citizen posted:don't really think "child labor" is a good reason for kids to be truant for months tbh and yet it's a loving harsh reality for some families in the US you elitist piece of poo poo Concerned Citizen posted:i was a latchkey kid, i'm aware of the poo poo involved with that. but as i've repeatedly said earlier, which i assume you've just ignored on purpose, there is absolutely no reason to use criminal penalties on parents whose kids either have behaviorial issues they just can't control or have financial or health issues preventing them from consistently getting their kids to school. but in the case where a parent is simply willfully defying the law, whether because of mental illness, substance abuse, or because they just don't give a poo poo, they shouldn't have those kids. it's not "hosed up" to remove them from that, it's hosed up to keep kids in homes where the parents don't care about them. and as i've said, criminal penalties don't help. you are punishing for punishment's sake, not to help the kids, or society, or anyone. congrats.
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quote:But there is plenty of evidence, based on real studies, to show that in general supportive measures work much better than punitive measures when you’re dealing with truancy, because there’s always some reason behind [an absence]. and here's what i'm talking about, and agree entirely. you need a very good support system to make sure these kids can get to school even if the parent has serious problems. i think deliberate truancy that is caused by the parent is rare, but the idea that you shouldn't do anything about it is really messed up.
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Concerned Citizen posted:and here's what i'm talking about, and agree entirely. you need a very good support system to make sure these kids can get to school even if the parent has serious problems. i think deliberate truancy that is caused by the parent is rare, but the idea that you shouldn't do anything about it is really messed up. you've said absolutely nothing about support systems and have fought to the hilt to defend punitive systems. you have also literally said that when people get hit by those punitive measures, it's cause they deserve it, not "because there’s always some reason behind [an absence]." gently caress off quote:but in the case of someone who is healthy has the means but refuses to do so, there's clearly serious problems in that household. seriously, you are like a case study in everything that's wrong with the dem party
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You know who I trust to be sensitive about truancy issues, the notoriously exploitative and punitive state of California.
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Condiv posted:you've said absolutely nothing about support systems and have fought to the hilt to defend punitive systems. you have also literally said that when people get hit by those punitive measures, it's cause they deserve it, not "because there’s always some reason behind [an absence]." gently caress off literally on the last page: quote:obviously if it's a case of simply not being able to, like for circumstances beyond their control, then that is different and it's on the school district to come up with a solution. what did you think i meant by that? jesus. child abuse is real, not all abuse is physical, there should be laws to prevent parents from exploiting their children or otherwise neglecting them!
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"oops, my school system enabled my child to be bullied, now he dodges school as i work 80 hours a week and i go to jail, sweet"
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Concerned Citizen posted:literally on the last page: you meant bullshit cause that's not the system we live in or the system kamala harris is proposing, or a system anyone is discussing. even in your utopic system, punishing parents with jailtime to fix truancy doesn't loving work, and there's no evidence it works. you are advocating for punishing and destroying families just cause your gut tells you it's the right way to deal with those poors.
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"haha im too poor to afford food and now my child has to work under the table to feed himself, guess im going to prison"
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anime was right posted:"haha im too poor to afford food and now my child has to work under the table to feed himself, guess im going to prison" "this person deserves to go to prison" - CC as he dines on catered lobster risotto at a DNC function
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Condiv posted:you meant bullshit cause that's not the system we live in or the system kamala harris is proposing, or a system anyone is discussing. even in your utopic system, punishing parents with jailtime to fix truancy doesn't loving work, and there's no evidence it works. you are advocating for punishing and destroying families just cause your gut tells you it's the right way to deal with those poors. i was literally asking if anyone knew what mandates the schools had under the ca law earlier, i am legitimately curious. but i do support laws to prevent truancy so long as it's paired with support by districts to ensure every kid can get to school regardless of their financial situation, and that parents aren't punished because their kids have behavioral issues. i don't think we need like, cops showing up at a house and arresting a parent because it turns out the kid has been skipping school while they were at work. as i said: quote:child abuse is real, not all abuse is physical, there should be laws to prevent parents from exploiting their children or otherwise neglecting them! Concerned Citizen has issued a correction as of 01:49 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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"well in a system which is not biased against the poor or minorities, it's perfectly fine and dandy to sentence parents to jail for the truancy of their kids! we all live in a just world after all! " - CC, vaunted dem consultant
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i'm sure the courts, which never ever railroad minorities or poor people, will fairly assess on a case by case basis if truancy-enabling parent #512124 has adequately attempted to get her child to school, and will not just funnel her into prison as fast as can be
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