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i am probably interviewing some people in the near future please send help whoever we hire will be our first expert in <their very specific field> . how do i interview people that, ideally, know dramatically more than me about the topic? also how do i interview people in general lol. apparently we have some interviewer training thing but i dont trust that!
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Bloody posted:i am probably interviewing some people in the near future please send help Hm, we're gonna be in the same boat very soon: we're trying to move into the "machine learning" space (we gather trucking/bus fleet telemetrics and want to provide more insightful reports about driving behavior, so its a little more legit than "something something adtech"). My plan is to get them to talk a lot about their projects. What'd you do, why'd you do it, what benefits did it provide, can you sketch out a rough flowchart or diagram that helps explain the concept?. Basically grade them on their ability to explain this stuff to non experts because thats what we'll be hiring them for, it doesn't do us any good if we bring someone in and they do some black magic and we get a mystery report, because how can we explain its value to customers? As for general interviewing tips: I try to keep it as much like a conversation as possible. We do homework problems here now and there is a brief whiteboarding part, but those don't matter as much to me as answering the question "could I tolerate working with this person" (unless they totally bomb the whiteboarding/take home). Just chat about what you do, ask what they do, what they liked about their previous jobs and what they didn't. Why do you wanna work for <company name>, etc.
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Aug 1, 2017 17:12
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fivehead posted:calling it, new boss is more productive and in better health health yeah, but old boss was extremely productive -- he was also a founder though, so he had a reason to bust his rear end day in day out Bloody posted:i am probably interviewing some people in the near future please send help "tell me about <very specific field>!"
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Aug 1, 2017 17:15
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just talk to the other person about the work theyve done, that's pretty much the secret to interviewing do they get excited talking about things theyve done or want to do or thought about? <queue a stymie about how that's bad and discriminatory but lol if you want to work with unexcited people who don't like what they do>
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Aug 1, 2017 17:16
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Bloody posted:i am probably interviewing some people in the near future please send help have them give a seminar on their work with a pretty high level of detail and then ask them dumb questions and see if they can give you an answer you can understand hire the person whos work seems to be closest to whatever problem you're hiring them for and didn't seem like a charlatan
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Aug 1, 2017 17:57
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ask them progressively stupider questions and see what their breaking point is
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Aug 1, 2017 18:09
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ADINSX posted:My plan is to get them to talk a lot about their projects. What'd you do, why'd you do it, what benefits did it provide, can you sketch out a rough flowchart or diagram that helps explain the concept?. Basically grade them on their ability to explain this stuff to non experts because thats what we'll be hiring them for, it doesn't do us any good if we bring someone in and they do some black magic and we get a mystery report, because how can we explain its value to customers? 1. Grow the expertise you have in your company 2. Get this one employee to do a bunch of specialist work that only they can do Number 1 is one where you hire and want someone to join your team, be able to teach to coworkers and train them, help hire, and set the baseline of future development for what you have. You'll want to have someone you can trust to explain to non-specialists, and to assess skills of others. So you can get them to do that by evaluating how good they are at explaining poo poo to you, by reputation, or by some referral from someone you trust. If they come visit you with that role in mind, they will likely want to ask questions about who they'll work with, what the initial timelines are looking like, and probe for the level of commitment the org will have to that specialty or part of the project. You'll possibly want to ask, on top of what was mentioned above, how they would plan to distribute work and ensure maintainability of a system of which they will (initially) be a central point of failure and contention. But overall, they're unlikely to be a hire you'll want to make based only on their technical capabilities. In fact it may be better to hire someone who is not as much of an expert, but is good to explain and on-board your org and the rest of people. They'll know more and may be able to drive the rest forward. Number 2, aside from researchy subjects or things with a bunch of optimization work, is not going to work super well without organizational support unless it's a one-off component. Those are possibly a better fit for a consultant or company that knows the tech at hand to develop and ship for you. In case you still want to hire, you do get that problem of 'trusting someone when you don't trust yourself to judge them right'. There you can't do much but expect a higher degree of failure. Interview more people, establish a kind of baseline for what you're seeing, and go accordingly I guess?
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Aug 1, 2017 18:39
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Bloody posted:i am probably interviewing some people in the near future please send help Hire them if you feel like you know more about the field than you did before the interview
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Aug 1, 2017 18:46
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VOTE YES ON 69 posted:health yeah, but old boss was extremely productive -- he was also a founder though, so he had a reason to bust his rear end day in day out If you don't have founder levels of equity then don't put in founder levels of effort Labour market is very hot right now and neither side of the transaction is a charity
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Aug 1, 2017 20:13
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my boss works 60-70 hours a week. i work the bare minimum i can. one of the other employees was like 'yeah but you'll get a smaller bonus at the end of the year (by a couple of percent)!' until i get paid 25% more for working 25% more hours im not going to.
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Aug 1, 2017 20:54
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you might also get a smaller bonus at the end of the year for completely arbitrary reasons i learned a lot of this garbage early in my career unfortunately
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Aug 1, 2017 20:56
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if you have to work extra hours to get it it's not a bonus, it's a salary
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Aug 1, 2017 21:06
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lancemantis posted:you might also get a smaller bonus at the end of the year for completely arbitrary reasons wow, you really did an excellent job this year! uuuuunfortunately between [some dumb vanity initiative way over budget] and complications with [product you're not working on] the bonus pool was set much smaller this year so...
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Aug 1, 2017 21:10
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lancemantis posted:i learned a lot of this garbage early in my career
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Aug 1, 2017 21:42
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i'm really unhappy at my current job, but I've only been here 4 or 5 months. How bad will it be for my resume if I jump ship and take another job? I have a few opportunities but I'm not looking seriously yet. 1) I was at my previous job for 1.5 years, job before that for 1 year (but I left because they were firing tons of people and the writing was on the wall). 2) Current job is a startup and my reason for leaving can be summarized by "poor prospects."
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Aug 1, 2017 21:42
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that's starting to get suspicious but at least "the startup ran out of money" is a reasonable explanation at least?
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Aug 1, 2017 21:54
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Are there other jobs prior to these in your resume? Usually, 2-3 short jobs is not a straight up dismissal in the recruiting I've been part of, but it will necessarily bring up questions in the interview itself regarding motivations and to figure out if it's someone who just likes short jobs, can't get along with people, or just seems overall difficult. Or sometimes you get consultants who put each gig on their resume so it looks pretty gnarly, but if they can explain it away why not. Anyway, it's close to the limit, but at that point I'd say it's yours to lose by poor explanations. Usually things like "got a bigger payday elsewhere", "place ran out of money", and so on are alright and can pretty much be repeated often I'd guess. Things like "they didn't give me fun enough projects" or "I didn't like the team enough" coming up many times raises flags.
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Aug 1, 2017 21:57
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... turns out, they were jerks too! anyway, y'all don't seem like jerks.. yet
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Aug 1, 2017 21:59
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MALE SHOEGAZE posted:i'm really unhappy at my current job, but I've only been here 4 or 5 months. How bad will it be for my resume if I jump ship and take another job? I have a few opportunities but I'm not looking seriously yet. I'm pretty much in your boat and I got asked about it in an interview and I was honest and said financial security is my main motivator for seeking a new job.
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Aug 1, 2017 22:01
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I once interviewed someone who was leaving after 3 months in the industry because his employer refused to give him the core interesting algorithmic projects while "he had a masters in Math" so he was looking for a place to use him to his full potential. Yeah sure, new hire with no experience, let's give you the central piece of business everyone in here would enjoy working on, why not. The others can maintain the tests.
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Aug 1, 2017 22:02
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MononcQc posted:Are there other jobs prior to these in your resume? Usually, 2-3 short jobs is not a straight up dismissal in the recruiting I've been part of, but it will necessarily bring up questions in the interview itself regarding motivations and to figure out if it's someone who just likes short jobs, can't get along with people, or just seems overall difficult. Or sometimes you get consultants who put each gig on their resume so it looks pretty gnarly, but if they can explain it away why not. hobbesmaster posted:that's starting to get suspicious but at least "the startup ran out of money" is a reasonable explanation at least? Thanks, that's more or less what I thought. I think I'm just going to be honest about my reasons for leaving (without badmouthing my current employer) and acknowledge the fact that I've jumped around a few times recently and need to be serious about my next position (because I can't afford to jump ship again).
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Aug 1, 2017 22:05
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as far as leaving fast chat, i left the only dev job i had after 3 months. i was hired without anyone in the company asking the Contractors working on the project if they wanted anyone else. i actually could have stayed at that company but then i would have been commuting 2 hours to clean literal poo poo off hospital beds and i decided against it also had a phone interview today where the person asked me "So, do you have any personal project you want to talk about or should I just ask you some general technical questions" and that was sort of a nice change
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Aug 1, 2017 22:41
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I'd recommend being honest (unless it will get you rejected)
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How does quitting a job actually work? Does your 401K magically move to your new employer? I'm very likely quitting my Big4 consulting job on friday
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Aug 2, 2017 05:07
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your 401k stays wherever it is. its up to you if you wanna move it contributions will stop happening to it but it'll keep on keepin on
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Aug 2, 2017 05:08
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lol @ anyone who budgets their bonus "oh I'm gonna use my bonus to pay off xyz" congrats idiot you just jinxed it, nobody gets bonuses this year
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Aug 2, 2017 05:11
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fivehead posted:How does quitting a job actually work? Does your 401K magically move to your new employer? it should be in the hands of some third party like fidelity. once you leave the contributions will stop but you'll still maintain control of the account
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Aug 2, 2017 05:21
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thanks for reminding me that i need to rollover my old accounts
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Aug 2, 2017 05:21
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FrozenVent posted:lol @ anyone who budgets their bonus im gonna use my bonus to buy more shares of a vanguard fund
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Aug 2, 2017 05:23
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rolling it over is much more of a pain than it needs to be
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Aug 2, 2017 05:25
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I looked at rolling over my 401k and it looked like a serious pain in the rear end because the address they had on file was ancient so I couldn't go through a "normal" process
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Aug 2, 2017 05:27
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Bloody posted:im gonna use my bonus to buy more shares of a vanguard fund probably not a jinx, especially if you use a tax advantaged account goddamn the tfsa is an hilarious loving tax dodge
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The Management posted:rolling it over is much more of a pain than it needs to be yeah i just did it recently from fidelity to vanguard and i had to get a vanguard dude to talk to the fidelity dude and explain how exactly to fill out the check that they mail me, that i then mail vanguard i have to be the 500,000th person to do this just this year how is it not a smooth process
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Aug 2, 2017 05:33
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Applied for a job for the first time in like 2 years. Tired of lovely hours, no promotion-track, and no non-COLA raises.
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mishaq posted:i have to be the 500,000th person to do this just this year how is it not a smooth process
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FrozenVent posted:lol @ anyone who budgets their bonus yeah wtf, didn't anyone watch National Lampoon's Christmas Vacation ???
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someone was telling me that my 401ks (all two of them lol) would eventually just send me a check and trigger a mess of tax implications if I didn't roll them over so now I'm paranoid thing is I kinda figure they're soaking me for admin fees so why would they, right?
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Bloody posted:also how do i interview people in general lol. apparently we have some interviewer training thing but i dont trust that! i'd recommend at the very least reading their resume beforehand
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ShadowHawk posted:Because the harder they make the process the longer they get to "manage" your money and steal 2% of it a year in fees. right but why doesnt vanguard have a trivial system set up where i can be like "hey ive got poo poo in this fidelity account, get it out of there and manage it" why do i gotta get a goddamn physical check n poo poo lmao what is this the 70s
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interviewer training imo should be mandatory before anyone starts to interview. it's not just about how to ask the right questions, every second you're in the interview you're representing your company's brand and if you gently caress up it reflects extremely poorly on the company. hopefully if your company is a good company they will have some premade questions and guidelines that you can follow to the tee. if not, just prepare very well, write down a list of things you're hoping to find out, what questions you're going to ask, know how you're going to dig deeper into those questions. when asking about projects or past experience, use the STAR approach (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situation,_Task,_Action,_Result). when asking technical questions, actually do the loving questions yourself before you ask the candidate. be a nice friendly guy, smile, keep hammering home why the company is so great. do it enough and eventually it'll be automatic. goon luck.
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