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DivisionPost posted:I can't remember exactly, but I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of people felt that way about the MLK episode. But that's the thing: aiming to not be "problematic" can be a good thing, especially if it leads you to do your research, talk to people who aren't you, get their feelings, etcetera. But with certain subjects, no matter who you are, you can't avoid it. The only way you can really advance those conversations is through trial and error. That's why when I raise an objection to art on PC grounds, I try to remain civil about it, because there's always the possibility that fans of the work or even the artist just don't know any better. And they'll be more open to learning if you don't, you know, imply that you're writing them off as loving assholes. God this is a good post. And you're absolutely right, of course. Criticizing him for not being perfect in his messaging is extremely loving petty, and I don't even really have a dog in the fight. [Edit: I know it wasn't your intent but I feel like a total rear end in a top hat now] asecondduck fucked around with this message at 20:19 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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GreenNight posted:Just do this one: I was disappointed that those books. The historical figures are barely in it. If you show me a cover of Einstein in a loving fighter jet, then your book better have Einstein in a loving fighter jet.
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Aug 1, 2017 20:39
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I feel ya, I went to go see Reign of Fire based on its movie poster and not one dragon fights one helicopter.
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Aug 1, 2017 20:45
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zoux posted:I feel ya, I went to go see Reign of Fire based on its movie poster and not one dragon fights one helicopter. To this day Reign of Fire is the one movie I truly regret not walking out of the theater on.
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Aug 1, 2017 20:49
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To facilitate its descent into being a warmed-over King of Queens retread, Kevin Can Wait will be killing off Kevin's wife, played by Erinn Hayes. Leah Remini will take the female lead role. In happier news, Erinn Hayes no longer has to live in Long Island.
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Aug 1, 2017 20:59
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The MLK episode of Boondocks was especially bad because the episode itself called out Apple using him in their ads and then turned around and did the exact same thing. Also a dude who has built his entire career and personality around anime and video games talking down to other people about their entertainment choices is some real funny poo poo, especially since his whole "BET is just women shaking their butts in music videos" goof was not only hackish but objectively untrue.
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lelandjs posted:God this is a good post. And you're absolutely right, of course. Criticizing him for not being perfect in his messaging is extremely loving petty, and I don't even really have a dog in the fight. You shouldn't! If you're not in the aggrieved party, there's a difference between "I'm a little uncomfortable with how MacGruder did x, y, z" and "gently caress AARON MACGRUDER AND gently caress THE loving BOONDOCKS! I bury those problematic cock-a-roaches!" The point of progressivism is to progress, and you can't do that if you stay silent. Maybe you get shouted down, but maybe you get support, or maybe you even get a thoughtful counterpoint that causes you to reassess. (Or maybe you get something like the recent clusterfuck in CineD's trailer thread, which I refuse to go into because that might allow the virus to spread.) Either way, there's only one sure thing if everyone stays silent, and that's nobody learning anything. No, the problem is when you—the general "you," not you in particular—talk to people in bad faith. I'll tell you all a story that I may or may not regret: Less than a year ago I submitted a review of The Accountant for the site I write for. I'm on the mild end of the spectrum, so I figured I could provide an interesting, vital perspective on this movie with a main character who's also on the mild end of the spectrum. Meanwhile, autistic Twitter was pissed at the movie because there was a piece going around that confirmed that Autism Speaks was consulted during the production, and they're kind of, uh, horrible. But I gave it a chance, I ended up loving the poo poo out of it, and I said as much in my review. My autistic friends, who were also wary of the movie, loved the piece. A friend of a friend asked me if I was concerned about autistic characters being played by neurotypical actors, and while I didn't agree with him, I thought it was an interesting angle, and I gave him a respectful response that seemed to satisfy him. Then somebody else picked up the site's tweet about the review and signal boosted it with content warnings for ableist language. It didn't blow up or anything, but I got a handful of people bitching among themselves about the review WHILE I WAS STILL TAGGED IN THE CONVO. They didn't even have the decency to subtweet me. Ever been accused of internalized ableism as if you weren't in the room, so to speak? Whether or not it's accurate, it fucks with you pretty hard. I couldn't respond to anyone that day because anything I had to say would have almost certainly blown back on the site; I was really hurt. I learned precisely one thing from that experience: I'll never refer to anyone on the spectrum as "high/low-functioning" ever again. I can see how it's potentially hurtful to anyone on the more moderate-severe ends of the spectrum (or anyone who might know such people). Were there other problems with that review? I don't know. I hope I learn more as I go along. But I don't have any opportunity to get ahead of that curve because nobody at the time had the guts to tell me, directly, "Hey, this really hurt me and this is why." The only other thing I've gotten was bitter enough to whine about it on a dead internet comedy forum. My point is, you should speak up if something makes you uncomfortable; it's how we learn on either end. But you should never assume bad faith unless you have a reason to (<cough>SORKIN<cough>), because that restricts how much we can get out of it.
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One time I talked about how, from a buddhist perspective, "hatred" could be considered an illness. Oh god, I got a bunch of people telling my that saying by saying that, I'm "comparing" people with mental illness to hateful terrorists. I'm never going to talk about anything related to mental illness again. A guy got legit mad that, because he has an anxiety disorder, I was comparing him to a terrorist.
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Aug 1, 2017 21:44
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I love every single second of Black Jesus and wish that would run forever.
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Aug 1, 2017 22:11
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I assume the shot of Ted and Victoria holding hands driving to the sunset would have been accompanied by voice over saying that's how I met your mother if the show didn't get another season?
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Aug 1, 2017 22:15
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Guy Mann posted:
Are you talking about how every time grandpa is watching tv it's that music video where it's just two butts twerking and a guy shouting BOOTY BUTT BOOTY BUTT BOOTY BUTT CHEEKS? Because I cannot stop laughing at that. My dad used to watch something that was pretty much literally just that on univision or some other spanish language channel every weekend.
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Aug 1, 2017 22:26
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=407GVB88b60 Netflix's upcoming series about the FBI beginning to tackle and figure out how to catch serial killers. It's a cool premise, but I hope it's not full of pop psych. Premieres in October.
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IRQ posted:What if Einstein built a time machine and used it to kill young Hitler, but then WWII just got started by Stalin instead? A Red Alert show would be great 
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Aug 1, 2017 23:01
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Calaveron posted:Man himym just becomes a mess during the whole Kevin Nora part with Robin and Barney wanting to get back together and then everyone breaks up and Ted immediately goes for the I Love You but it's fine because Barney's dating that stripper
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Aug 1, 2017 23:22
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JethroMcB posted:To facilitate its descent into being a warmed-over King of Queens retread, Kevin Can Wait will be killing off Kevin's wife, played by Erinn Hayes. Leah Remini will take the female lead role. That sounds like a really great way to make your sitcom loving depressing.
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esperterra posted:Closer is an amazing movie and even more amazing play. Portman was great in it, though imho she was nowhere near as good as Julia Roberts, Jude Law or mothafuckin' Clive Owen https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHBc7lIgmlY  God drat it is the best movie.
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IRQ posted:Are you talking about how every time grandpa is watching tv it's that music video where it's just two butts twerking and a guy shouting BOOTY BUTT BOOTY BUTT BOOTY BUTT CHEEKS? I know this song! He also did an episode where Huey marathon watched BET for days to see if it would make him go insane. He also did a two part episode about BET and how it's owners hate black people where they gave Uncle Ruckus a show.
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muscles like this! posted:That sounds like a really great way to make your sitcom loving depressing. Mom did it, and it was loving depressing, but that show is depression and alcoholism: the comedy so it worked.
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Does anyone know anything about Resurrection Ertugrul, the 179 episode Turkish show about the life of a 13th century Turkish hero. Is it at all good? I have no idea of the quality of Turkish TV. It's on Netflix.
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zoux posted:Does anyone know anything about Resurrection Ertugrul, the 179 episode Turkish show about the life of a 13th century Turkish hero. Is it at all good? I have no idea of the quality of Turkish TV. It's on Netflix. no but that sounds interesting enough to blind watch, give us a trip report
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Aug 2, 2017 06:06
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I just wrapped up Supernatural season 5. I'm really glad I gave this show a second chance because that was a fantastic series finale. Yes, I know it's still going but it's clearly where the creators were going to originally end the show.
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precision posted:no but that sounds interesting enough to blind watch, give us a trip report After Narcos came out Netflix also added a Colombian Escobar biopic series that was like 150 episodes. It was not good, so I'm skeptical of massively long foreign TV series.
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Counterpoint: Sherlock is massively short.
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zoux posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=407GVB88b60 This looks good. Subject matter is 100% my jam, and I love Johnathan Groff.
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precision posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHBc7lIgmlY Fun fact: Clive Owen originated the role of Dan (Law's character) on stage. Must have been fun to play someone so different in the same story. Ciarin Hinds was Larry in that original production. It must have been amazing.
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Rhyno posted:I just wrapped up Supernatural season 5. I'm really glad I gave this show a second chance because that was a fantastic series finale. Yep. It's real clear that Eric Kripke wanted to finish it there until CW stepped in late in the game. I think it was pretty late in production that they decided actually they want to renew it, but they already had their ending and it needed awkward retooling.
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Snak posted:Counterpoint: Sherlock is massively short.
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Rhyno posted:I just wrapped up Supernatural season 5. I'm really glad I gave this show a second chance because that was a fantastic series finale. Yeah, it has some truly AMAZING episodes post season 5, but nothing captures the season long narrative like 5 did.
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Lurdiak posted:Did someone say whitest show? late on this but hahaha "easily distracted by brown skin"
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Shageletic posted:late on this but hahaha You never saw docfuture's stuff before? His whole channel is great
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zoux posted:Does anyone know anything about Resurrection Ertugrul, the 179 episode Turkish show about the life of a 13th century Turkish hero. Is it at all good? I have no idea of the quality of Turkish TV. It's on Netflix. I looked up the wiki since I'm interested in that guy (if its the same show we're talking about Suleiman the Magnificient) The ep details runs like a typical soap opera, which is incredibly disappointing considering how much crazy poo poo was happening, like that all out war between Turkey and Iran (also at a highpoint at the time), its push into India, the battle of Vienna, him going all hardcore on his own sons, etc. edit: precision posted:You never saw docfuture's stuff before? His whole channel is great nah looking forward to getting into it.
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I forgot how baaaad season 9 of himym was
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How did I not know until just now that a new Wet Hot American Summer show is coming on Netflix this Friday?
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I knew they were doing a sequel, but not that it was this Friday! Welp I'll have to start it next week. Pride's this weekend, damnit.
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ShakeZula posted:How did I not know until just now that a new Wet Hot American Summer show is coming on Netflix this Friday? So soon? Well got dang. That's super.
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ShakeZula posted:How did I not know until just now that a new Wet Hot American Summer show is coming on Netflix this Friday? Because Netflix sucks at marketing its new shows.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:37
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Holy gently caress I could have sworn it was the 11th whaaaaaat
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zoux posted:Because Netflix sucks at marketing its new shows. Yeah I only knew because I follow the WHAS twitter (and a few comedy places linked the trailer). I have the weekend to myself so this is at the top of the list I think.
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I watched the first season of Vikings. I liked it, but I liked the first part where it was about Vikings killing Christians a lot more than the second half about viking politics. How do later seasons break down on that?
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