Shitenshi posted:

I wonder if they're going to make a separate Season 3 OP, since that first one made out Toffee-Ludo to be a regular villain, but now they're both gone beyond a doubt, and the focus seems like it's going to be on Eclipsa as the main antagonist. Not to mention the wand is back together.

TwoPair posted:

It's not that weird though. Adventure Time made a whole genderflipped intro for their Fionna and Cake episodes, Gravity Falls made a new one for their finale. I'd compare Star's to the GF example since they're both intros for special events.

Of course, this is all assuming that they have yet another new intro coming up.

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Well, the big difference from those examples is that those intros were both focused around their one-off theme, whereas only the brief Ludo sequence in the new intro has anything to do with the Battle for Mewni. But, looking the intro back over, it is possible the shot of Ludo was meant to be temporary-the sequence jumps from Star and Marco in the crystal dimension, to Ludo hanging out in front of the moon, and then back to Star and Marco amidst the crystals. It's a bit of a weird sequence break, and I could easily believe that once the episodes begin airing again in November that they'll transition to a shot of Eclipsa instead of Ludo, in addition to an updated logo.

cant cook creole bream posted:

When does the rest of the season start anyway? I want more.

Mraagvpeine posted:

I heard November.

toanoradian posted:

I've just watched the movie and was excited to wait a week for the next episode, too.

Movie was great, I love almost all of it, but what I love the most is Toffee post regeneration. He's just...walked away. After defeating Moon and Marco, sure, but he just walked away, as if he's gonna look for a coffee shop. What a monster, what a general.

I prefer the previous ending theme to this one though. Not because the music is bad, but because I'm expecting some movement in my ending.

Say Nothing posted:

Acebuckeye13 posted:

I think it's definitely possible there might very well be prophecy shenanigans going around in the background, given the weird room at Saint Olga's that you pointed out and the card suites in the Grandma Room from Into the Wand. Honestly though, I kinda hope there isn't, since it's pretty rare that prophecy plots are actually done well, and I also feel it would take away from the show's encouragement of going against the grain and breaking out from traditionally established behaviors and roles.

With that said, there's definitely a lot to consider about the room from St. O's. One big thing I'm surprised you didn't notice is that the room is encircled with busts of crocodile heads, which could definitely tie in to a connection with Toffee or the Septarians in general (Gotta wonder if Rasticore is just a hired merc or if he has a longer history with Heinous). Another connection I thought of a while ago as well is that, rather than the floor tiling being a reference to the Blood Moon, it's actually an eclipse-and when you factor in that the demons in the roof mural also bear a potential resemblance to Eclipsa's monster husband, I think there's definitely a solid argument to be made that there's a connection of some kind between St. Olga's (The building at least) and Eclipsa.

The Ayshkerbundy posted:

Bobbin Threadbare posted:

Theorycrafting: Toffee and the Prophecy

There's been this theory buzzing through my head for a while now, and I think I've brought together enough pieces to create a picture. Absolutely zero of this could be true, but I figure it holds together fairly well and it's interesting enough to share.

So here's the central theory: during his decades of research, Toffee happened across a prophecy that foretold great destruction and involved Star and Marco. This prophecy hinges on Mewman magic existing, so Toffee decided to get rid of it and avoid the destruction entirely. Mind you he also wanted revenge for his humiliation and to get his finger so he could reform his body once he had corrupted all Mewman magic, so he wasn't some misunderstood good guy this whole time. He simply had some additional motives that help explain some otherwise unexplained moments.

Point 1: The strange room in St. Olga's



On the ceiling there's a skylight which appears to be a portal through which a bunch of flying demon-monsters are pouring forth. These look like no Mewman monsters we've seen, and Tom's people have no wings. Plus many have three eyes and don't need wings to fly. Therefore, this is an as-yet unknown invading force.



Opposing the mural on the ceiling is a crescent moon that surrounds a star and a sun. Star and Marco, united by the Blood Moon? Marco isn't much of a sun at the moment, but that could change. There are also symbols in the surrounding border, possibly representing their friends and allies.

Point 2: "You're a disappointment." "Yeah? Well, you're boring."



Toffee seems to expect more from the kid the other monsters only know as "Karate Boy." His stoic facade even cracks for a second when Marco calls him boring. Coming from Star's unusually competent but otherwise ordinary friend, those words would be meaningless, but coming from a person Toffee knows is a Chosen One those words would carry some weight. On top of that, he spares Marco's life even though we know for a fact that honor means absolutely nothing to him. Could Toffee have spared Marco because the boy would be needed for the prophecy if his own plan didn't pan out?

Point 3: "Okay, so my hand says I can't destroy you, so I have to put you in the dungeon."



If Toffee is playing it safe by not killing Marco, this would also explain why he spares Star during "Toffee." I assumed he wanted to keep her alive for the sake of ransom, but he could have possessed Ludo, overpowered the now-helpless queen, and taken his finger by force instead. He also didn't finish Star off when she is completely in his power in the Source. If he doesn't care so much about getting her out (assuming he even knew how), it would be because he thinks at that point that he had won and averted the prophecy all at once.

Point 4: "You think you've won? Ha! You don't make the plans! I do! Me! Only I know how this all turns out!"



It seems like Toffee is referring to himself and his own plans here, but what if he's not, or at least his first and last sentences aren't? What if he's talking about the prophecy and the coming destruction? And what if the protagonists will have to resurrect Toffee to find out what that prophecy says?

Again, these are just some thoughts I wanted to share since it means I get to be smug if it turns out I'm right later. But if I'm not, it'll just be one more for the pile of off-base speculations.

Say Nothing posted:

Say Nothing posted:

Inescapable Duck posted:

Trying to get some friends into this, thinking I need to skip ahead a bit since the first few eps are rough. Was gonna get them to from the first two to 7-8 (Cheer Up, Star and Quest Buy) but open to other suggestions.

Say Nothing posted:

Moon... River.
I don't think I even noticed this until season two.

Acebuckeye13 posted:

To be fair I don't think they both got names until Season 2.

Say Nothing posted:

Moon... River.
I don't think I even noticed this until season two.

"Michelle Park" posted:

keys and bgs from Battle for Mewni! Hope everyone liked it! + end credit works!

Created by Daron Nefcy, Art direction by Israel Sanchez, Paint supervised by me (yay!), and special thanks to paint team Drake Brodahl, Kari Casady, Alexander Duckworth. Also the amazing layout team, Maryam Sefati, Sun Jae Lee,Alex Chechik, and Kayla Jones!

"Zach Marcus" posted:

Here is some stuff i did for part 1 of Toffee (slightly abridged).
The revisionist history paintings were something I wanted to do to really push the distorted view of the world Ludo has, they’re not propaganda to him they are absolutely true. He sees himself as a savior and rightful ruler.
But Ludo is nuts, so of course he kills a choir of children after they sing his praises.

"Sabrina Cotugno" posted:

Some shots I boarded for The Battle of Mewni: Toffee!

1) Star’s wand design wasn’t finalized until after boards.

2) Star’s transformation sequence was half Sailor Moon Crystal (the later seasons, after they stopped using the weird CG models) and half Digimon. Basically everything I do is half Digimon??

3) Since we don’t get much time with poor Toffee, I wanted to at least give him a nice big send off. By which I mean brutally murdering him, including several juicy close-up shots to show the flesh ripping off his body.

4) Those close-ups originally looked fleshier–you could see the skeleton coming apart underneath the skin. I toned it down, but you can still kinda see his skeleton in the final shot there.

"Ariel VH" posted:

……..I’m sorry,,,,,,,,I’ve literally started a count of all the times I’ve had to draw a character crying in season 3 and it’s been A LOT so far. But that’s boring- LET’S TALK GOO.

Working with this goo was such a pain in the NECK for everyone involved- there were several goo related meetings with our design team, and since this was my section to revise I had to animate and figure out a lot of the goo poses. It needed to feel heavier and water and just seem…sticky. And yes, we absolutely referenced Hexxus from Ferngully as well as The Greedy from the Raggedy Ann movie.

"Behold Queen Moon" posted:

From Star vs. the Forces of Evil - The Battle for Mewni (Moon the Undaunted).

Guys, lesson here: don’t cross Queen Moon.

"Star is a Dipper" posted:

From Star vs. the Forces of Evil - The Battle for Mewni (Toffee).

I like this scene for its subtle references.

The music is pretty subtle too.

/s

"Toffee Returns/The Last Magic" posted:

From Star vs. the Forces of Evil - The Battle for Mewni (Toffee).

Spoiler: Moon, Marco, and Buff Frog have just been told that Star is dead. They have no reason to believe Toffee is wrong. So, for Moon, the individual responsible for killing her mom just killed her daughter too. And then she and Marco basically try to MURDER TOFFEE.

The tune starts out like Moon’s theme from previous episodes, but there was something about her theme that wasn’t sitting right in the scene, so after the first six notes I abandon it and start doing this major/minor back and forth thing. Moon is both the angriest and saddest she has ever been, so it felt right to have the music waver.

And then we jump to Star, who actually seems to be in a life or death situation, and makes one last attempt to save the last bit of magic, maybe in all of Mewni. And it apparently doesn’t turn out so great. Again, the melody after she dives starts out like Star’s theme, but it changes to something more dangerous at the end.

"Moon vs. The Lizard" posted:

From Star vs. the Forces of Evil - The Battle for Mewni (Moon the Undaunted).

FINALLY Moon’s backstory. Toffee’s big entrance in his functionally useless but super sexy mesh top. And Moon diving into some dark magic, with Eclipsa’s help, thus making a deal that may come back to bite her decades later.

It was really important in this cue to make clear that this spell Moon is casting, even though it seems necessary and brave at the time, is probably a really bad idea. So the music isn’t particularly heroic or magical, like most magic cues in the show. Even when she succeeds (more or less?), it’s still kinda “oh sh-t.”

"Joke is On Me" posted:

From Star vs. the Forces of Evil - The Battle for Mewni (Book Be Gone).

I think one of my favorite, but oft overlooked, revelations of the last season up through now is just how sad Ludo’s life has been. His whole adult life has been defined by a desire for acceptance and power; no one likes him, his family treated him like dirt, and now he’s not even in control of his own perceived success.

So this cue isn’t just sad because of Glossaryck’s circumstances (the melody at the end is a reference to Gloss’s “maybe this is what you need” speech to Star last season), but also because of all the crap in Ludo’s life that has led up to this terrible point.

"Aaron Hammersly" posted:

Here’s a scene storyboarded on the “Toffee” episode. We went full on “horror” for Toffee’s rebirth (or whatever you want to call it). Then we transition to total devastation. I decided to add the scars on moon’s arms just as she attacked toffee to amplify the depths of moons despair as well as her growing rage. It also made sense to me to have moon try to cast her darkest spell on Toffee, aiming the wand directly at his heart this time. I’m sure at this point she regretted not killing him when she first had the chance.

As far as Marco goes, who wouldn’t want to punch a hole through Toffee’s chest? He’s a best friend killer! Screw that Toffee guy.

I should mention that there are a couple of Sabrina Cotugno’s original panels in this scene as well. http://arythusa.tumblr.com/ She is quite a talent.

Acebuckeye13 posted:

Brian H. Kim has also been releasing numerous music tracks from the special:

Thought We'd Never See Each Other posted:

From Star vs. the Forces of Evil - The Battle for Mewni (Toffee).

The hug heard ‘round the world.

Bobbin Threadbare posted:

Bobbin Threadbare posted: