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akadajet posted:so do not all hd blu ray players support all of the different hdr standards? if i wanted to buy one and not spend a fortune what should I get?? yes, there are only like three uhd blu-ray players that support dolby vision (but i think they all support hdr10) to get dolby vision support, the cheapest option is the lg up970, which is like $250USD the two oppo players are your other option but i think the cheaper of those players is like $500 the xbox one doesn't support dolby vision at this time, whether it can get it from some future update or not is unknown that being said, the selection of dolby vision uhd discs is pretty thin right now The Cabin in the Woods Despicable Me Despicable Me 2 The Fate of the Furious Power Rangers (2017) RED RED 2 Resident Evil Vendetta (some just-released CG movie) Starship Troopers: Traitor of Mars (another just-released CG masterpiece) Warm Bodies and no one has a loving clue wrt announced future uhd discs because none of the companies care enough to confirm the hdr standard for their "coming soon to uhd blu-ray" press announcements univbee fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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univbee posted:yes, there are only like three uhd blu-ray players that support dolby vision (but i think they all support hdr10) hmm yeah. all of those movies suck
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Instant Grat posted:my new codec is "glare from the resistive touch screen plastic overlay"-aware and its called BOEOEOEOING-69 Heehee
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akadajet posted:hmm yeah. all of those movies suck I'm sure they'll add choice titles like The Emoji Movie soon
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akadajet posted:so do not all hd blu ray players support all of the different hdr standards? if i wanted to buy one and not spend a fortune what should I get?? u want to buy an ultra hd blu-ray player? buy an xbox one s if you're buying now, or the xbox one x when it comes out this fall. they basically cost the same as the standalone blu ray players that support 4k blurays and hdrs etc. specific dolby vision support is due out in a few months for s
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fishmech posted:specific dolby vision support is due out in a few months for s first i hear of this, got a link?
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akadajet posted:hmm yeah. all of those movies suck lol these are movies that normal people watch when they want the best. get over it.
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HDR10 and Dolby Vision share a lot of similarities, UHD Blu-Ray requires you to support HDR10, Dolby Vision is an optional add-on, much like DTS audio was in the DVD Days Dolby Vision adds features like Brightness/Color management, and the ability to play higher bit-depth material through limited bit-depth RGB displays (12-bpc YUV packed into a 10-BPC RGB container) FM baby
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fishmech posted:u want to buy an ultra hd blu-ray player? buy an xbox one s if you're buying now, or the xbox one x when it comes out this fall. i got an xbox s on prime day and it's nice that they finally made the os run reasonably well i wouldn't spend 500 earth dollars on an xboxox though
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sigh, cant anybody rtfm? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra_HD_Blu-ray
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univbee posted:yes, there are only like three uhd blu-ray players that support dolby vision (but i think they all support hdr10) i don't want to see those movies
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the secret to improving those movies with hdr is that they just blind the viewer with retina-searing brightness within the first few seconds, leaving them blessedly unable to view the rest of thee movie
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akadajet posted:hmm yeah. all of those movies suck Cabin in the woods is good
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the secret to improving those movies with hdr is that they just blind the viewer with retina-searing brightness within the first few seconds, leaving them blessedly unable to view the rest of thee movie i wonder how long until maxell releases a corrective laser eye surgery uhd blu-ray disc
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i'm still legit ashamed at how many lovely movies i rented or bought as a teenager just to see the dts light on my surround decoder light up
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the secret to improving those movies with hdr is that they just blind the viewer with retina-searing brightness within the first few seconds, leaving them blessedly unable to view the rest of thee movie The secret to improving your posts is to do the same thing.
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The_Franz posted:i'm still legit ashamed at how many lovely movies i rented or bought as a teenager just to see the dts light on my surround decoder light up i feel safe saying this in the video codec thread, but i don't give a poo poo about sound quality. not an iota. the tv's rear speakers are perfectly fine and i'm not even sure what a receiver actually does.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:i feel safe saying this in the video codec thread, but i don't give a poo poo about sound quality. not an iota. the tv's rear speakers are perfectly fine and i'm not even sure what a receiver actually does. Surround sound is fantastic for video games and I strongly recommend it. As far as what a receiver does, it's all in the name buddy, like a toaster
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There was an audiophile forum post where a guy filled his receiver with caulk and it was hilarious but I can't find it
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:i feel safe saying this in the video codec thread, but i don't give a poo poo about sound quality. not an iota. the tv's rear speakers are perfectly fine and i'm not even sure what a receiver actually does. hooking up the rca-outs from your tv to a boombox is sufficient imo 
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Lutha Mahtin posted:hooking up the rca-outs from your tv to a boombox is sufficient imo that's pretty much what everyone did with those EXTREME MEGA BASS mini stereos in the 90s
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yeah, even that is usually a big upgrade from the tiny little internal speakers your tv has. when i was a teenager i inherited a 1970s receiver and wooden box speakers of my uncle's, and boy let me tell ya it was a lot more exciting to play street fighter on the dreamcast with those bad boys hooked up
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:the secret to improving those movies with hdr is that they just blind the viewer with retina-searing brightness within the first few seconds, leaving them blessedly unable to view the rest of thee movie you do realize that 10,000 nits is like a 75w incandescent bulb, right? it's not that bright
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you see way brighter things when you go outsid.a.hahahahahha who am I kidding YVCPOS birch
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pagancow posted:you do realize that 10,000 nits is like a 75w incandescent bulb, right? it's not that bright through what area? a 75w bulb is going to be eye searingly bright if you stick it right in front of your eye but is ok over a larger solid angle
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Malcolm XML posted:through what area? a 75w bulb is going to be eye searingly bright if you stick it right in front of your eye but is ok over a larger solid angle a square meter
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Dolby claimed in some interview that users wanted it to be over 20,000 nits in testing, but they settled on 10,000 because it reasonably fits into 10-bpc without banding.
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who cares if it makes the black and dark areas of the picture washed out and milky, we want BRIGHTER lol because movies don't have rich, contrasty shadows anymore anyway. big budget movies use that awful, low-contrast, straight-down, overhead "overcast" soft lighting that still somehow looks overlit, so they don't have to work as hard to match the CG to the live action
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it's dynamic range, not brightness. the ability to do shadows is meant to also be improved (although in practise it's just not going to get worse) also 10k nits looks sweet as and is a visible improvement on 4k
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I would honestly probably take hdr or >8 bit color / better gamut @ 1080p over 4k
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pagancow posted:Dolby claimed in some interview that users wanted it to be over 20,000 nits in testing, but they settled on 10,000 because it reasonably fits into 10-bpc without banding. wait, isn't the entire point of it being a bunch of standards that it is on a curve? i would have thought that you would need only very sparse steps (and with that fractions of bits) above 10,000 nits? or can people actually differentiate much on that end of the scale?
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yospos as gently caress
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in theory 10-bit pq follows one of the barten curves for just-noticeable difference, so it sits right on the line where if you take code points away you start to see banding. in practise, dolby almost certainly can't get a 20k nit screen going.
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i legit thought that human vision was such that you'd need very very few points on that curve as you headed into the very bright range, to the point where you could just push stuff off exponentially. i have no motivation for *why* that would be (beyond a sense that artifacting in very dark areas used to be very noticeable in ye olde encodes) though
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that's exactly the case, but the dark regions can't afford to lose the ~50 points you'd need to reasonably cover 10,000 - 20,000 without visible banding.
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ah, so the mystery then is who was cheap enough to decide to go 8 -> 10 bpc when 12 bpc would have been the correct choice. thanks for the info
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10bpc had the advantage of existing infrastructure. prores is 10-bit, SDI is already all 10-bit and 10-bit HDMI came in just in time to be used. you can also pack 10-bit into a 32-bit integer. 12bpc is basically as many as you'd ever need though, and that's where all the intermediate formats will probably go.
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BARTEN RAMP MOTHERFUCKERS PQ GAMMA 
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