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ImpAtom posted:No I wouldn't. Hell, there's even another nice big DC example right there: Who is the Iconic Robin?  Also as I mentioned earlier, Barry Allen is getting the push he did because Johns loves him like he loves Hal Jordan and he wants to make sure everyone loves them as much as he does.
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I prefer Wally, but Barry is much better than Hal.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:12
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http://www.monkeysfightingrobots.com/green-lantern-greatest-lantern-fan-poll/
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Aug 2, 2017 21:32
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Al Borland Corp. posted:I prefer Wally, but Barry is much better than Hal. Well yeah because Barry saved the loving multiverse. Or died trying. It's been a really really long time since I read Crisis on Infinite Earths. Also I think that story was wiped out of continuity after Zero Hour or Infinite Crisis or The New 52 or whatever new reboot they've moved on to. Why do you make it so hard to love you DC?
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Aug 2, 2017 21:37
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joylessdivision posted:Well yeah because Barry saved the loving multiverse. I haven't read rebirth, but i believe they've made Wally the more central speedster in it.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:41
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Honestly all the main flashes rule. Barry used to be boring but he's improved. Wally rules, Old man Jay super rules. Black Wally is cool. I didn't really read any of Bart but he was great in Teen Titans.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:42
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Honestly all the main flashes rule. Barry used to be boring but he's improved. Wally rules, Old man Jay super rules. Black Wally is cool. I didn't really read any of Bart but he was great in Teen Titans. 
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Aug 2, 2017 21:43
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Honestly all the main flashes rule. Barry used to be boring but he's improved. Wally rules, Old man Jay super rules. Black Wally is cool. I didn't really read any of Bart but he was great in Teen Titans. Kid Flash ruled and I miss the pre-New 52 Titans book. The dynamic between Damien and Deadshot's daughter was cute and Tim being the "Old Man" of the group was fun. I got about an issue into the 52 reboot and hated it. Did they unfuck the Teen Titans with the new reboot? Also it's still super weird to see Cyborg as part of the League but it makes sense.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:58
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I don't get the Cyborg hate.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:59
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MacheteZombie posted:I don't get the Cyborg hate. Not sure if it's hate so much as from what I've seen he's incredibly bland. If he was the cartoon Teen Titans and Go version it'd be hella better. Also it goes Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Flash, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Aquaman for the JLA but you can cycle Green Arrow or Black Canary or Zatana or Plastic Man for Aquaman instead. Agreed that the GL is more a concept and both Barry and Wally are more prominent than Hal. Most comments I read from casuals asked why isn't GL black thanks to the cartoon. Guy can be the best anyway along with some of the funkier ones
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Aug 2, 2017 22:05
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They should cast Chris Pratt as Kyle, set it on Oa, and call it "Guardians of the Universe"
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Aug 2, 2017 22:11
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Al Borland Corp. posted:They should cast Chris Pratt as Guy Gardner, set it on Oa, and call it "Guardians of the Universe"
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Aug 2, 2017 22:12
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Al Borland Corp. posted:They should cast Chris Pratt as HAL THE CLEARLY ICONIC GL, set it on Oa, and call it "Guardians of the Universe" and Hal's the bad guy
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Aug 2, 2017 22:17
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ImpAtom posted:there's even another nice big DC example right there: Who is the Iconic Robin? Robin has a discussion, because there Robin has no iconic character. This is unlike the characters we're discussing, like Superman (Clark Kent), Batman (Bruce Wayne), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan). You might as well be arguing that Spiderman is someone other than Peter Parker. Sure, others might've been Spiderman, but Peter Parker is Spiderman. Hear the sound of hooves going clippity clop, think Horse (Hal), not Zebra (whatever Lanterns that rose to prominence during a comic era everyone would rather regret). Ain't rocket science. MisterBibs fucked around with this message at 22:23 on Aug 2, 2017 |
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Aug 2, 2017 22:21
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MisterBibs posted:Robin has a discussion, because there Robin has no iconic character. This is unlike the characters we're discussing, like Superman (Clark Kent), Batman (Bruce Wayne), Green Lantern (Hal Jordan). You're not actually making an argument here and you're actually disproving your own point. If someone mentions Green Lantern, Hal Jordan is not necessarily the first person that is going to come to mind. The kerfluffle when the GL move came out and people wondered why he wasn't black proves that point. Also you don't actually seem to have a very good knowledge of the character considering you have a remarkably poor grasp over when Guy and John were characters.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:27
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When someone mentions Green Lantern to me I think of..... neither. Just some dude wearing green with a magic ring. I don't think the characters is well known enough for anyone to be super-invested in who he is. No offense to Green Lantern fans of course.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:35
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MacheteZombie posted:I don't get the Cyborg hate. Oh I'm not hating on him, I like the character, it's just that I grew up with him as a Titan and so while having him "Graduate" to the League makes total sense from a storytelling standpoint, it's still kinda odd at times when I see images of the new JL and go "Oh right, Cyborg is on the team" Also pretty sure Mr. Bibbs is actually Geoff Johns with the way he's desperate to convince everyone about HAL JORDAN THE ONE TRUE LANTERN.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:43
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joylessdivision posted:Oh I'm not hating on him, I like the character, it's just that I grew up with him as a Titan and so while having him "Graduate" to the League makes total sense from a storytelling standpoint, it's still kinda odd at times when I see images of the new JL and go "Oh right, Cyborg is on the team" I'm still pretty sure this is DC going "oh poo poo we need a black guy" and picking Cyborg.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:46
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joylessdivision posted:Oh I'm not hating on him, I like the character, it's just that I grew up with him as a Titan and so while having him "Graduate" to the League makes total sense from a storytelling standpoint, it's still kinda odd at times when I see images of the new JL and go "Oh right, Cyborg is on the team" Sorry didn't mean to imply you were. Your post just made me think of other posts questioning why he'd be included. "He's not JL character" "No one cares about Cyborg, why bother?" that kind of stuff I've seen. Gatts called him bland, and I'm not even sure there's enough marketing material out about him to make that call. Karloff posted:When someone mentions Green Lantern to me I think of..... neither. Just some dude wearing green with a magic ring. I don't think the characters is well known enough for anyone to be super-invested in who he is. I'm not hugely invested in any specific one as well. I like Kyle, and he seems like the guy few people ever mention in the Hal v John wars. I think it was smart on DC's part to go with GL Corps so they can have any/all of them if they want.
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Cythereal posted:I'm still pretty sure this is DC going "oh poo poo we need a black guy" and picking Cyborg. Cyborg ties into their mother box story arc quite well.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:51
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ImpAtom posted:If someone mentions Green Lantern, Hal Jordan is not necessarily the first person that is going to come to mind. I'm not denying that there's some people who erroneously associate a lesser character with the title of Green Lantern. I'm sure there's people who associate Hugo Strange as Batman, or Miguel O'Hara as Spider-Man. There are people who think John Stewart is Green Lantern. No difference between them and the others. I get liking whatever dude you grew up with, but there's no argument against what I'm saying. Greater society has spoken that Bruce Wayne is Batman, Peter Parker is Spider-Man, and Hal Jordan is Green Lantern. Like I said, no conspiracy at DC. I mean, it could've been anyone that John Stewart changed into during that episode where time was shifting around. There are a lot of Green Lanterns. I'm sure you know who they brought in: the iconic character.q
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MisterBibs posted:I'm not denying that there's some people who erroneously associate a lesser character with the title of Green Lantern. lol
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Regarding Green Lantern, I read a very extensive article about the design of Hal Jordan's costume about ten years ago and how little it had changed over time, and how the costume was so forward thinking and groundbreaking compared to other superhero outfits of the time and is a major reason anyone knows who Hal Jordan is at all, I found that interesting.MisterBibs posted:I'm not denying that there's some people who erroneously associate a lesser character with the title of Green Lantern. Agreed I wish DC would stop erroneously associating Green Lantern with Hal Jordan instead of Jon Stewart.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:07
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I think the only people who instantly associate Green Lantern with Hal Jordan are old out of touch people. The guy is a loving dork.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:27
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Yaws posted:I think the only people who instantly associate Green Lantern with Hal Jordan are old out of touch people. And any kid who has grown over the past 10 years.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:35
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Yeah I'm in my 40s and the only Green Lantern I even know is from Superfriends. I'm vaguely aware that there are others but to me the only one that counts is Hal.
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:And any kid who has grown over the past 10 years. Not really. Aside from the Green Lantern movie anything aimed at kids that has feature Green Lanterns has feature multiple Green Lanterns or not used Hal. Brave and the Bold for example had more episodes with Guy Gardner than Hal Jordan and the Green Lantern TV show featured a number of Green Lanterns. Likewise the comics have featured all the Green Lanterns and given them starring roles. The idea that a kid who was super into Green Lantern would go "aw man Hal is the REAL lantern" and not treat it like Power Rangers where it's a group of heroes or something is pretty silly. Because, uh, that is what Green Lantern is these days. Unlike pretty much every other superhero in the DC universe the modern Lanterns are defined as being members of a group (and likewise their enemies are largely color-coded enemy groups as well.)
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MisterBibs posted:I'm not denying that there's some people who erroneously associate a lesser character with the title of Green Lantern. I'm sure there's people who associate Hugo Strange as Batman, or Miguel O'Hara as Spider-Man. There are people who think John Stewart is Green Lantern. No difference between them and the others. Except no one, outside of the deepest of the deep comic nerd would ever associate Batman with Hugo Strange. Seriously, no one cares how much you love Hal Jordan, but please continue making really bad arguments about how we're all wrong, it's pretty entertaining. Cythereal posted:I'm still pretty sure this is DC going "oh poo poo we need a black guy" and picking Cyborg. Bingo.
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Aug 2, 2017 23:49
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Hal Jordan has been in about 3,600 comic book issues while the other 3 have been in about 1,300 each.* I think it's fair to say he's the most famous Green Lantern and the one most people think of when they hear the name. (*According to Comic Vine, at least, so hopefully that's accurate!)
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Aug 3, 2017 00:16
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joylessdivision posted:Well yeah because Barry saved the loving multiverse. If we're giving movie roles to characters based on who saved the Multiverse best, then Booster Gold deserves one from stopping it from getting eaten by a caterpillar. Edit: Also, DC views it as them never having officially actually rebooted the universe completely, since those stories brought them to where they are and they occasionally pull out characters from the OG universe into play. The current main Superman is from the previous pre-New 52 uuniverse. Ugh...poo poo gets confusing. Detective No. 27 fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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Aug 3, 2017 00:19
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Hal Jordan is an awful, "heroic cop" character.
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Aug 3, 2017 00:19
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They should use Hal Jordan but the Kevin Smith version that's a whiny chump that shits his pants all the time.
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Aug 3, 2017 00:20
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Hal Jordan can be great. The New Frontier is my favorite comic ever and Darwyn Cooke made Jordan into a fantastic character. He wasn't even Green Lantern for most of it. That was probably the last time anyone did anything worthwhile with Hal Jordan. It helps that Cooke was the Jesus to Jack Kirby's God.
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joylessdivision posted:Except no one, outside of the deepest of the deep comic nerd would ever associate Batman with Hugo Strange. Hey, we're here with folks arguing that there's Green Lanterns as or more iconic/standardly defined than Hal Jordan. You'd need to be a "deep comic book nerd" to associate any other name to the title of Green Lantern. There's Hal Jordan, and there's listicles full of "did you know these characters are also Green Lanterns?"
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Aug 3, 2017 00:36
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Everyone knows Guy Gardner is the best Green Lantern anyway.
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Aug 3, 2017 00:43
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The only Green Lantern I'm aware of is the black guy. Never heard of Hal Jordan. Sorry.
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MisterBibs posted:Hey, we're here with folks arguing that there's Green Lanterns as or more iconic/standardly defined than Hal Jordan. You'd need to be a "deep comic book nerd" to associate any other name to the title of Green Lantern. Except as has been pointed out numerous times, John Stewart (The Black Guy) is the Lantern that most people would associate with Green Lantern of they don't read comics. That JL cartoon was a big deal for a long time. Detective No. 27 posted:If we're giving movie roles to characters based on who saved the Multiverse best, then Booster Gold deserves one from stopping it from getting eaten by a caterpillar. Don't make me sad that we'll probably never get a Blue Beetle/Booster Gold buddy cop movie. Honestly I haven't kept up with DC in a few years as far as their books are concerned because comics are loving expensive and I prefer collected editions over the floppies, so most of what I know about the DC universe is from the immediate start of the New 52 when the word was "Hey remember all that poo poo that happened before? Didn't happen (except this poo poo in the Bat books because Batman)"
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joylessdivision posted:Except as has been pointed out numerous times, John Stewart (The Black Guy) is the Lantern that most people would associate with Green Lantern of they don't read comics. A kid's show doesn't change who the primary Green Lantern is. As someone pointed out, there's a reason why Hal Jordan is a main character in both Injustice 1 and 2 as a main character (complete with jesus-christ-they-really-did-give-him-all Lantern Corps skins in the second one), while the other guy in question gets custom skin status. Or why in the next movie they are doing with GL, it's Hal and another guy. If someone tells you John Stewart is "the" Green Lantern, you correct them.
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Aug 3, 2017 02:59
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No, I think John Stewart is the real Green Lantern. Nobody cares about that old coot Hal Jordan.
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Super Fan posted:No, I think John Stewart is the real Green Lantern. Nobody cares about that old coot Hal Jordan. Hal Jordan is a bitch and he was only cool when he was Parallax and when Batman painted himself (and the apartment) yellow to punch the poo poo out of him. All Star Batman and Robin is a work of art is what I'm saying. Anyway can we stop arguing about Hal Jordan, it's boring (just like Hal)
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