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Tainen posted:Invites will now be handed out via special card in random booster packs. They'll be personal invites from Richard Garfield to his card factory!
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Tainen posted:Invites will now be handed out via special card in random booster packs. 
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Aug 2, 2017 19:28
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this change isn't good but how many third-party tournaments do scg and cfb run that actually qualify to give out PT invites? is it actually significant enough to cut entrants a lot?
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Aug 2, 2017 19:33
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whether or not its going to cut a significant amount of entrants is kind of irrelevant in the face that it's at best, what exactly? what is the best case scenario for this change? because i see no positive side to this.
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Aug 2, 2017 19:38
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It sound like they only gave them out at their invitationals so it couldn't have been more than 1 or 2 tickets a year.
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Aug 2, 2017 19:40
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WotC has said that they basically want the same personalities playing and doing well in every pro tour, because "esports."
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Aug 2, 2017 20:22
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Retromancer posted:WotC has said that they basically want the same personalities playing and doing well in every pro tour, because "esports." WotC feels like a middle-age parent trying to connect with their teenage child by making Gangnam Style references in 2017.
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Aug 2, 2017 20:56
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rabidsquid posted:whether or not its going to cut a significant amount of entrants is kind of irrelevant in the face that it's at best, what exactly? what is the best case scenario for this change? because i see no positive side to this. Cutting one of the prizes from SCG Invitations means less incentive for pros to focus on SCG Invitationals, which means SCG Invitationals will be less interesting to watch, which means fewer people will be watching SCG streams, which means more people will be watching WotC streams instead, which means WotC makes more money from advertising. And as we all know, most of WotC's income is from advertisements on its stream, so this is definitely the key trick that will save this dying game. That's how games like Minecraft and League of Legends got so profitable: the companies behind them made sure no streams other than the official company stream were watchable.
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https://twitter.com/OwenTweetenwald/status/892817684412248064 Owen is great.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:11
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Retromancer posted:WotC has said that they basically want the same personalities playing and doing well in every pro tour, because "esports." this isnt a fundamentally terrible idea, having recognizable pros around would actually be good for the game. the problem is that wotc is trying to go about establishing this while also never taking a loss or doing any long term thinking. riot lost a TON of money establishing pro league, wotc will literally never make that kind of investment.
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Aug 2, 2017 21:32
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Mezzanon posted:Will do! Oh I don't know anything near Yonge/Gerrard, but I just recommend every nerd I know to go to TILT arcade bar. About 20ish minutes away by subway.
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Lone Goat posted:Oh I don't know anything near Yonge/Gerrard, but I just recommend every nerd I know to go to TILT arcade bar. About 20ish minutes away by subway. I have some local friends taking me to Tilt already!
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rabidsquid posted:this isnt a fundamentally terrible idea, having recognizable pros around would actually be good for the game. the problem is that wotc is trying to go about establishing this while also never taking a loss or doing any long term thinking. riot lost a TON of money establishing pro league, wotc will literally never make that kind of investment. They've always been obsessed with short term gains. I watched Numot streaming today and he got whistful about how he almost switched to hearthstone when it was in its Beta and he had 2500 people watching him stream it the first time. Magic is a better game but Hearthstone is a thousand times better job if you are a streamer. Reynad getting banned from magic was seriously the best and luckiest thing to happen to him and his godawful stream. They still operate like they are the only game in town and it's 1998. If I found out the current head of WOTC was the CEO of Blockbuster Video I wouldn't be surprised.
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The problem with magic as an e-sport is that it's fundamentally boring as gently caress to watch two dudes think at each other for 25-50 minutes The literal only thing that keeps it watchable is good commentary
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rabidsquid posted:this isnt a fundamentally terrible idea, having recognizable pros around would actually be good for the game. the problem is that wotc is trying to go about establishing this while also never taking a loss or doing any long term thinking. riot lost a TON of money establishing pro league, wotc will literally never make that kind of investment. I have been playing MTG for two decades plus at this point and have never given a poo poo which nerd wearing a blazer over his best t-shirt was the world champion or at the bleeding edge of limited or whatever. I only cared if the game was fun and at least moderately affordable for whatever format I was interested in at the moment. I understand why the whole esports thing is so appealing to WOTC but as you said they either can't or won't sink the kind of money necessary to actually flesh out a decent structure (and even if they wanted to Hasbro would probably say no). I really don't understand how they can just keep making poo poo decision after poo poo decision and still be scratching their heads over why the game is getting (relatively) crushed by the competition.
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sit on my Facebook posted:The problem with magic as an e-sport is that it's fundamentally boring as gently caress to watch two dudes think at each other for 25-50 minutes Basically. Its just a bad game for spectating. The coverage from the last pt was the best its had personality wise. They still completely fail from the production side of things though.
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Aug 2, 2017 22:43
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Sickening posted:Basically. Its just a bad game for spectating. I get so tilted by the production quality for GP's and the pro tour, as a broadcast school graduate it's so, so, SO loving bad. First year students could do better
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Aug 2, 2017 22:58
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i like how the big ad for their card game that they want us to watch keeps getting interrupted by stupid non-gameplay content and ads, preventing me from watching the main ad I'm trying to watch, causing me to turn off the ads altogether
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Aug 2, 2017 23:05
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Marketing New Brain posted:They've always been obsessed with short term gains. I watched Numot streaming today and he got whistful about how he almost switched to hearthstone when it was in its Beta and he had 2500 people watching him stream it the first time. Magic is a better game but Hearthstone is a thousand times better job if you are a streamer. Reynad getting banned from magic was seriously the best and luckiest thing to happen to him and his godawful stream. funny that you mention reynad as he and pv were streaming some not magic game last night and i was thinking how funny that is, since presumably most of his audience wasnt familiar with his big baby meltdowns and mtg "career"
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Sickening posted:Basically. Its just a bad game for spectating. If mtgo was good it would probably be pretty watchable. Watching some random streamer and being able to read their cards even on mobile is much better than watching a standard I'm not very familiar with.
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rabidsquid posted:funny that you mention reynad as he and pv were streaming some not magic game last night and i was thinking how funny that is, since presumably most of his audience wasnt familiar with his big baby meltdowns and mtg "career" big baby meltdowns are an asset to a streaming personality
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Aug 3, 2017 00:02
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ThePeavstenator posted:i like how the big ad for their card game that they want us to watch keeps getting interrupted by stupid non-gameplay content and ads, preventing me from watching the main ad I'm trying to watch, causing me to turn off the ads altogether The twitch stream is actually unwatchable without adblock. Seeing the same ad for some PS4 game I'll never play thirty times in an hour gets really old, really fast.
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Hellsau posted:The twitch stream is actually unwatchable without adblock. Seeing the same ad for some PS4 game I'll never play thirty times in an hour gets really old, really fast. Link your Amazon prime to twitch if you have it.
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As someone who is just getting into Magic in a slightly-serious capacity (though I've played occasionally since I was a kid), the fact that the PT was at all interesting to me is probably a success for WotC. My wife, who is just now playing at all, was even enjoying the semifinals. So they're doing something right. Also, I have Amazon Prime, so the ads weren't a factor for me. Flip Yr Wig fucked around with this message at 01:03 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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Just remembered that tomorrow Magic Digital Next should be revealed.
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http://www.reuters.com/article/us-lionsgate-m-a-hasbro-idUSKBN1AI1XG
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The top 8 run on Sunday is basically always the best part of pro tours re: coverage. But man there is just so much space to improve that they refuse to take.
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Tainen posted:Just remembered that tomorrow Magic Digital Next should be revealed. I was wondering about that once esports was mentioned. Something that can actually make visual sense to a spectator? lol, I know it won't be anything good or fun or functioning.
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Make the P/T bigger, add quick but clear visual effects, hire college students to organize the things instead of whatever overpayed chimpanzee they have doing it now.
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PMush Perfect posted:Make the P/T bigger, add quick but clear visual effects, hire college students to organize the things instead of whatever overpayed chimpanzee they have doing it now. Would they be willing accept some pocket lint and a lucky nickel as their salary
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Elyv posted:Would they be willing accept some pocket lint and a lucky nickel as their salary The issue with the coverage teams isnt salaries at this point.
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The coverage team this go around was the best they've ever had by far. The content, or long stretches of lack thereof, is the issue at this point. And the amateurish production as someone also pointed out.
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It sounds like they need an actual coverage team, instead of just getting the on-camera personalities and skipping the rest.
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Fuzzy Mammal posted:The coverage team this go around was the best they've ever had by far. The content, or long stretches of lack thereof, is the issue at this point. And the amateurish production as someone also pointed out. Coverage teams are more than just the guys in front of the camera. Too many people who behind the camera just plain suck. Being that the amount of people fighting over video production jobs is even larger than the magic the gathering audience, only massive incompetence is keeping the production quality this poo poo.
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Flip Yr Wig posted:As someone who is just getting into Magic in a slightly-serious capacity (though I've played occasionally since I was a kid), the fact that the PT was at all interesting to me is probably a success for WotC. My wife, who is just now playing at all, was even enjoying the semifinals. So they're doing something right. This Pro Tour was pretty exceptional. The commentary was on point (Riley Knight was great) and the competitors were high caliber and the games had some extremely exciting happenings. Nobody who watched the semifinals is going to make that mistake with Hazoret ever again.
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Sickening posted:Coverage teams are more than just the guys in front of the camera. Too many people who behind the camera just plain suck. Special mention to the guy who I could hear playing MTGO every time there wasn't a game being shown.
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Hellsau posted:This Pro Tour was pretty exceptional. The commentary was on point (Riley Knight was great) and the competitors were high caliber and the games had some extremely exciting happenings. Nobody who watched the semifinals is going to make that mistake with Hazoret ever again. Yeah, we didn't watch that much of it (on account of the time zones/work), so it was luck that we caught that Hazoret match. That definitely upped the drama. We were also making a lot of fun of the ridiculous space they were competing in. They could absolutely increase the production value there.
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Can any of you guys help me out? I'm playing my first standard tournament on game day this week and built a sorta-budget deck out of things I've pulled from drafts. it's a zombies-scarab god deck. Thing is, I started playing at Amonkhet so I don't know of many good standard legal cards from before that set. The LGS I play at is pretty good with singles and I've got about $30 budgeted to buy, not to mention a bunch of trade rares that I can get some value out of like a couple hazorets, etc. Creature (18) 2x Ammit Eternal 2x Bontu the Glorified 4x Khenra Eternal 2x Merciless Eternal 4x Miasmic Mummy 2x Plague Belcher 2x The Scarab God Land (24) 2x Evolving Wilds 1x Fetid Pools 4x Island 17x Swamp Artifact (3) 3x Traveler's Amulet Unknown (4) 4x Lethal Sting Instant (4) 2x Hour of Glory 2x Splendid Agony Sorcery (3) 3x Stir the Sands Enchantment (2) 2x Liliana's Mastery Planeswalker (2) 2x Liliana, Death's Majesty http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/02-08-17-scarab-god-zombies/ I'm thinking about clearing out the Bontus and adding a couple more ammit eternals or merciless eternals TIA I'll pass you a glorybringer
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Witnessed today at my LGS's Modern night: In game three of GW Company versus Baral Storm, the Storm player is ready to go off and the Company player casts his namesake card digging for out. He hits Hierarch and Courser, relevant only in that Courser reveals the Eidolon of Rhetoric left atop his library, one card shy of being in the company. His opponent untaps and goes off for the match, while Eidolon of Rhetoric watches.
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