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Capri Sunrise
May 16, 2008

Elephants are mammals of the family Elephantidae and the largest existing land animals. Three species are currently recognised: the African bush elephant, the African forest elephant, and the Asian elephant.

BC Hydro will absolutely give the go-ahead to continue construction - the review is going to be used as the excuse to sell it to their base. Kinder Morgan is also going ahead.

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Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

flakeloaf posted:

"soldiers"

"nazi child killers"

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

flakeloaf posted:

"soldiers"

Well no, they haven't quite got the ROE down, but we handed them C8s anyway. 30 rounds too, just in case things get hairy.

Jordan7hm posted:

"nazi child killers"

I doubt that even half the children they kill are Nazis

infernal machines fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Aug 3, 2017

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!
At each quarterly terror meet there's this one nerd who keeps saying that they should attack Canada and everyone sighs and rolls their eyes and says "come on moe we want to actually do something that people might care about, now stick this acid in your tightie whities"

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
I don't doubt that someone who isn't an RCMP led junkie or a guy who stole a cowboy gun will eventually manage to effect a terror attack somewhere in Canada, given a long enough timeline.

I do doubt our boys in blue patrolling the streets with carbines will do anything much about it though. And while I can't speak for the rest of the country, given the Toronto Police Service's penchant for emptying an entire magazine into someone when they're made uncomfortable, I'm not sure giving them rifles with 30 round mags is going to do us any favours in the mean time.

leftist heap
Feb 28, 2013

Fun Shoe

Wilhelm posted:

BC Hydro will absolutely give the go-ahead to continue construction - the review is going to be used as the excuse to sell it to their base. Kinder Morgan is also going ahead.

BC Hydro isn't doing the review, the BC Utilities Commission is.

Also the deadline to press charges under provincial law for Mount Polley is this Friday and the investigation isn't even close to being finished apparently, even after 3 years. I'm sure the BC Liberals will blame this on the NDP as well.

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

Jimbozig posted:

Today I was waiting at some elevators. There were too many people to fit on one elevator. Luckily, two arrived at once! But a guy getting off of one stood there like a moron and blocked others from getting on until the doors closed and it left empty, leaving several people waiting for another one. The scallywag walked away unmolested and unashamed. I'd like the candidates at this debate to say how they will ensure that such injustice never happens again on Canadian soil.

Yeah yeah, politics or whatever, you guys can keep talking about that. This is what I'm interested in. When you say he "blocked" people from getting on, you mean the people were too timid about getting on an elevator before everyone had disembarked that they did nothing and let it leave?

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

FB posted:

Looking for Naturopaths with a specialty in Pediatrics whose practice is in or around town. Any recommendations? Thx

Ikantski was not wrong about naturopaths, polluting the medical discourse now that they are legitimized by Ontario

Subjunctive
Sep 12, 2006

✨sparkle and shine✨

My insurer (Manulife) just dropped coverage for naturopaths and osteopaths effective Sept 1. It pleased me.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




There are these ads on the radio in the morning for an "IV CLINIC SUPERVISED BY A NATUROPATHIC DOCTOR" and it makes my blood loving boil

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

"Naturopaths with a specialty in pediatrics" = "My kid and I are going to loving kill somebody"

Jordan7hm
Feb 17, 2011




Lipstick Apathy

flakeloaf posted:

"Naturopaths with a specialty in pediatrics" = "My kid and I are going to loving kill somebody"

More like "some dumb person's kid is gonna die of an illness cured by OTC meds"

infernal machines
Oct 11, 2012

we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.
IV clinics, or how to get hep c the easy way

Postess with the Mostest
Apr 4, 2007

Arabian nights
'neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
could fall and fall hard
out there on the dunes

Risky Bisquick posted:

Ikantski was not wrong about naturopaths, polluting the medical discourse now that they are legitimized by Ontario

Yeah our local place specifically mentions pediatrics so I guess that's a growing trend now.

quote:

Pediatric Clinic

Healthy kids make happy kids. Learn how to optimize your child’s health and minimize the use of medications early on in life. At Whole Medicine Wellness Centre, we show you how to optimize digestion, immune function and mental health to give your kids the best possible start.

I don't think legitimizing by Ontario is even that important, the bar is so low.

fb posted:

Just wanted to pipe in as I read this thread. I usually stay out of things but can't this time <3 John seems to think he knows what he is talking about...not. He speaks of there not being any 'scientific' evidence. Young Living Oils are actually registered with Health Canada as Natural Health Products, which means that they have found enough scientific proof that certain oils (over 50 of them to be exact) can aid and help certain health issues, like stress, eczema, arthritis and stomach problems. Obviously he doesn't know it all. I actually have an oil blend called 'common sense'...I am willing to share lol

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
HC rubber stamps naturopath products, I bet we still sell teething drops with nightshade country wide lmao

flakeloaf
Feb 26, 2003

Still better than android clock

I noticed our Rexall took down their giant wall of fancy-labeled sugar water bullshit. Baby steps.

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

If people want to put raw tea tree oil on their crotch rot I can't really be asked to care. There are enough mildly effective and otherwise harmless treatments for minor ailments that, meh, I get it if you want to avoid using cortico-steroids or whatever. It's when dandelion root is the cure for your emphysema and big pharma and medikkkare want to steal your baby to give them autism that there become huge issues.

cowofwar
Jul 30, 2002

by Athanatos
Lol what the hell is "scientific proof"?

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe
You dumb gently caress

When you come in to a an er on the verge of death because you had a damascene conversion to western medicine I don't want to loving pay for it

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Stickarts posted:

If people want to put raw tea tree oil on their crotch rot I can't really be asked to care. There are enough mildly effective and otherwise harmless treatments for minor ailments that, meh, I get it if you want to avoid using cortico-steroids or whatever. It's when dandelion root is the cure for your emphysema and big pharma and medikkkare want to steal your baby to give them autism that there become huge issues.

You should also try giant hogweed sap as sunscreen, all natural remedy

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

That's of course not what I said at all and am a firm believer in western medicine and pharmaceutical solutions! I just don't care if people drink mint tea to get rid of their headache, even if it is useless, if they take their baby to the ER when it gets sick.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Stickarts posted:

That's of course not what I said at all and am a firm believer in western medicine and pharmaceutical solutions! I just don't care if people drink mint tea to get rid of their headache, even if it is useless, if they take their baby to the ER when it gets sick.

That's a cool take and all https://www.facebook.com/PrayersForEzekiel/

Oh you think these people will make rational decisions about their health lol, nevermind

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

Risky Bisquick posted:

You should also try giant hogweed sap as sunscreen, all natural remedy

I will see if my naturopath recommends it. He's very smart - he has several gilded and embossed certificates in very professional looking frames on his wall.

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




Stickarts posted:

That's of course not what I said at all and am a firm believer in western medicine and pharmaceutical solutions! I just don't care if people drink mint tea to get rid of their headache, even if it is useless, if they take their baby to the ER when it gets sick.

That's the exact loving problem though, most of those wacky nutjobs don't believe in modern medicine and instead drink tea and take naturopathic IVs instead of going to the goddamn doctor which is exactly what the issue is

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

CLAM DOWN posted:

That's the exact loving problem though, most of those wacky nutjobs don't believe in modern medicine and instead drink tea and take naturopathic IVs instead of going to the goddamn doctor which is exactly what the issue is

I guess part of my issue may be that I don't know any of the actual nutters and it is only those tragedies that I read about in the news (always out of Alberta lol) that gives me a glimpse down the rabbit hole. But I know relatively normal, intelligent individuals who, for example, have rub on topical analgesics made from "natural" ingredients they use for random joint pain who don't advocate for homeopathy and will without hesitation make an appointment with a doctor for anything more serious. I have a hard time caring about that as it seems pretty harmless. Even if the cream is useless, we should be thanking them! Not going to a doctor saved our medical system hundreds of dollars!

James Baud
May 24, 2015

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN
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James Baud fucked around with this message at 12:25 on Aug 26, 2018

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord

Stickarts posted:

I guess part of my issue may be that I don't know any of the actual nutters and it is only those tragedies that I read about in the news (always out of Alberta lol) that gives me a glimpse down the rabbit hole. But I know relatively normal, intelligent individuals who, for example, have rub on topical analgesics made from "natural" ingredients they use for random joint pain who don't advocate for homeopathy and will without hesitation make an appointment with a doctor for anything more serious. I have a hard time caring about that as it seems pretty harmless. Even if the cream is useless, we should be thanking them! Not going to a doctor saved our medical system hundreds of dollars!

People honestly have NFI about the things they consume, it's honestly the wild west with attractive boxes containing diluted poison.

https://www.fda.gov/safety/recalls/ucm552934.htm

Best case you have ColdFX which is EXPENSIVE diluted ginseng

Risky Bisquick fucked around with this message at 18:33 on Aug 3, 2017

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




James Baud posted:

Isn't this more a matter of treating the root cause of the problem, though, namely that people have bad enough experiences with the medical system that they no longer trust it?

Whether it be poor access to doctors and specialists, being churned through appointments, having concerns dismissed, being told that a problem is in their heads, or whatever else?

I've known lots of people who get blown off for years about problems that grow far more acute than they ever should have because they simply aren't good at the kind of self-advocacy necessary to get results. Several have died as a consequence. (Might have anyway - the "ignored concerns turned out to be early cancer warning signs" ones)

Those problems are usually caused by patients being loving idiots, the doctors aren't usually the problem. In some cases sure, but not the vast majority. People are just dumb and can't be saved.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Risky Bisquick posted:

Ikantski was not wrong about naturopaths, polluting the medical discourse now that they are legitimized by Ontario

it's awful. my partner has chronic awful, awful migraines and her boss happily suggested a naturopath who in turn suggested really stupid poo poo to cure her migraines like an elmination diet and supplements.

once she finally got to see the chronic pain specialist at one of the U of T associated clinics he said there was no basis in any literature for a connection between migraines and nutrition.

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!
It's because there's a small, but vocal minority of whack jobs who get lumped in with perfectly normal people who would rather try a non-pharmaceutical pain management solution than assault their livers with Tylenol and Ibuprophen or develop an opioid addiction.

Risky Bisquick
Jan 18, 2008

PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.



Buglord
Just a fyi, ibuprofen does not have liver toxicity, acetaminophen does

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
"Wellness" is also a multi-billion dollar industry that slings all sorts of herbal remedies that's tied to naturopathy and homeopathy and all sorts of bullshit. The medical system not being great at listening to patients is definitely an issue that's being addressed, if unequally, but people found out that there's a shitload of money to be made in selling people everything from herbal teas that'll cure what ails ya to jade eggs for your vagina.

Medical science is near miraculous given the advances we made in the past two centuries, but it cannot cure every single problem people have right now, or it's been misused/politicized in certain situations and that's lead to suspicion and distrust of its practitioners, unfortunately.

Dreylad fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Aug 3, 2017

Reince Penis
Nov 15, 2007

by R. Guyovich

Tighclops posted:

I'm reading Ashton on twitter saying she wants to expand health care to include dental and paid sick days for all workers and stuff, sometimes her poo poo's all hosed up and she talks like a retard but she's more convincing to me than the "I can get behind that" guy or the other dude with money people

My new mantra for the left is perfect is the enemy of good

namaste friends
Sep 18, 2004

by Smythe

ZShakespeare posted:

It's because there's a small, but vocal minority of whack jobs who get lumped in with perfectly normal people who would rather try a non-pharmaceutical pain management solution than assault their livers with Tylenol and Ibuprophen or develop an opioid addiction.

:rolleyes:

I've been taking heavy doses of prescription nsaids for decades and I'm fine (as observed by my doctors). Thanks for proving western medicine wrong tho

CLAM DOWN
Feb 13, 2007




ZShakespeare posted:

It's because there's a small, but vocal minority of whack jobs who get lumped in with perfectly normal people who would rather try a non-pharmaceutical pain management solution than assault their livers with Tylenol and Ibuprophen or develop an opioid addiction.

Lol congrats on being part of the problem

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

Risky Bisquick posted:

Just a fyi, ibuprofen does not have liver toxicity, acetaminophen does

Right. I mean nsaids are still not great for you long term but what I said was technically incorrect.

Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

ZShakespeare posted:

It's because there's a small, but vocal minority of whack jobs who get lumped in with perfectly normal people who would rather try a non-pharmaceutical pain management solution than assault their livers with Tylenol and Ibuprophen or develop an opioid addiction.

I'm sorry that you're so stupid that you think that "chemicals" are going to ruin your body. You're just as bad as people who go on about organic food because it's GMO-free--I hope you like your non-GM almonds and eat tonnes of them.

Stickarts
Dec 21, 2003

literally

namaste faggots posted:

:rolleyes:

I've been taking heavy doses of prescription nsaids for decades and I'm fine (as observed by my doctors). Thanks for proving western medicine wrong tho

uh...

let's not get ahead of ourselves here

ZShakespeare
Jul 20, 2003

The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose!

Lain Iwakura posted:

I'm sorry that you're so stupid that you think that "chemicals" are going to ruin your body. You're just as bad as people who go on about organic food because it's GMO-free--I hope you like your non-GM almonds and eat tonnes of them.

Nice strawman. What's nuance?

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Lain Iwakura
Aug 5, 2004

The body exists only to verify one's own existence.

Taco Defender

ZShakespeare posted:

Nice strawman. What's nuance?

No. Seriously. What is so bad about "chemicals" that you go for "natural products"? Are you afraid of taking something that actually works because you read Food Babe, Green Earth News, or some other pseudo-science blog and convinced yourself that Tylenol and all other OTC medications are bad for you? Do you avoid gluten too?

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