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Emergency Session of the Majlis The Fitna of al-Andalus has devastated the peninsula for ten long years, and the country is in dire need of peace and recovery. The Tariqi pretender al-Muhsin has sent envoys to the Majlis Assembly, urging us to accept this much-needed peace and offering to help stabilise the sultanate. We must carefully consider this proposal before rushing to any decisions, however, for it will undoubtedly have dire consequences in both the immediate and distant future of Al Andalus. A – We Refuse Him If we refuse the offer, then the Fitna will likely continue for a while yet, but the rightful sultan Ismail will continue to reign… As will his Grand Vizier, of course. The power and authority invested in the position is great, but no son of Andalusia would dare abuse it, surely… B – We Accept Him If we accept the offer, then the Tariqi branch of the Jizrunid dynasty will be restored, and al-Muhsin will become the new sultan of Al Andalus. This will certainly provide some measure of stability, but we will have to impose strict limitations on the powers of any future sultans, for that is what we’ve fought and bled for. Never again will a sultan rule absolutely. It’s also probably important to note that al-Muhsin was raised in Granada.
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I think when the mod is released, I'd like to not play as Andalusia
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RZApublican posted:So let's say that we came out in favor of the sultan, Hashim, would this have turned out better or somehow worse? In the short term? Definitely better. High absolutism gives a great bonus to discipline, and Utman would have moved to attack Provence and eventually France, carving out an empire in the heart of Europe. The immediate drawbacks would have been the dissolution of the Majlis and a crackdown on religious minorities. In the long term though? I won't compare it with what's going to happen with the Majlis in charge, but it definitely wouldn't have turned out well.
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Aug 3, 2017 20:33
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Aug 3, 2017 20:35
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Ahaha oh god, the degree to which this country routinely gets hosed is bordering on pornographic. A nice antidote to AAR steamrollers. Anyway, B, peace at any cost at this point. Hashim posted:In the short term? Definitely better. High absolutism gives a great bonus to discipline, and Utman would have moved to attack Provence and eventually France, carving out an empire in the heart of Europe. The immediate drawbacks would have been the dissolution of the Majlis and a crackdown on religious minorities. What could have been... :alandalus:
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Aug 3, 2017 20:37
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Hashim posted:Emergency Session of the Majlis
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Aug 3, 2017 20:37
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B – We Accept Him We cannot be in a worse position.
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Aug 3, 2017 20:38
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The time has come for peace, and for the restoration of the rightful Jizrunid line! The heirs of the old Sultana came to power in a bloody coup, and since then have run our great nation into the ground, culminating in this bloody Fitna! If legitimacy won't sway you, history will: we are re-enacting the fall of the first united Al-Andalus, the Umayyad Caliphate. A military dictator ruled for a child caliph then too, and when his son took power, it all fell apart! It cannot happen again. Support al-Muhsin! B
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Aug 3, 2017 20:39
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A Like hell I'll let you all place a crypto-shiite on the throne!
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Aug 3, 2017 20:41
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Yvonmukluk posted:So wait, what's the downside to B again? I feel like it's better to have a Sultan limited in his powers, rather than a Grand Vizier who may become another Utman in time. Is the Granada thing really that big of a deal? Oh and yeah, why is this a big deal?
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Aug 3, 2017 20:42
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ThatBasqueGuy posted:Like hell I'll let you all place a crypto-shiite on the throne! 
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Aug 3, 2017 20:45
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Talas posted:Oh shiite! Is that why the Granada thing was important? *checks a map*  Ulama til' the day I die, I change my vote to A.
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Aug 3, 2017 20:48
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Ahaha oh man, i don't know what to vote for. It was nice having united all of Iberia for a few decades, now the french are going to take stuff back for sure.
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Aug 3, 2017 20:50
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Well that's some poo poo that happened. B - We accept Him We either get a sultan we can control, or Al-Andalus burns.
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Aug 3, 2017 20:52
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Is there still a Discord server for this LP? I swear I remember one, but can't find it. Also, A, gotta max that absolutism and get our Revolution somehow. Changed to B Crazycryodude fucked around with this message at 01:34 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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Aug 3, 2017 20:53
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So this is our religious map: And this is the stability tab:  I'll let you guys reach your own conclusions, and make your own decisions. But for those who don't know how EU4 works, we'll be faced with more rebellions in the near future, and it might be a good idea to have our core Sunni territories under control when that happens. Having a dictator with no right to the throne rule Al Andalus won't exactly end well either, though, so... hashashash fucked around with this message at 20:57 on Aug 3, 2017 |
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Aug 3, 2017 20:53
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B. I'll take a Shia over continuing this utter mess of a civil war.
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Aug 3, 2017 20:55
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Early tally: A - We Refuse Him - ThatBasqueGuy, Erwin the German, Crazycryodude. B - We Accept Him - Talas, Lord Cyrahzax, TyrsHTML, devildragon777.
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Aug 3, 2017 20:56
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B There are no good choices here, but this is the better of the two.
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Aug 3, 2017 20:57
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You know what, B, i don't care what this Al-Mushin thinks about the rightful Caliphs, let's have some peace for Allah's sake.
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Aug 3, 2017 20:58
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Oh, uh, just looked at the stability tab  Let's, um... let's change me to a B, shall we?
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Aug 3, 2017 20:58
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Frionnel posted:You know what, B, i don't care what this Al-Mushin thinks about the rightful Caliphs, let's have some peace for Allah's sake. That's just the thing, though, if we have a Shia ruling we're gonna alienate our core territories as much as the rest of the people who wanna kill us. We'd be buying short term stability for long term suffering. Better to just swallow this bitter pill and see things through.
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Aug 3, 2017 20:59
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Erwin the German posted:That's just the thing, though, if we have a Shia ruling we're gonna alienate our core territories as much as the rest of the people who wanna kill us. We'd be buying short term stability for long term suffering. Better to just swallow this bitter pill and see things through. Or Al-Muhsin beats us and comes to power on his own terms.
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Aug 3, 2017 21:01
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B We are paying the price for the past injustices of the Sultana and the overthrow of the rightful Jizrunid line. Let us rule again, Sultan and Majlis, as one nation.
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Aug 3, 2017 21:04
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Erwin the German posted:That's just the thing, though, if we have a Shia ruling we're gonna alienate our core territories as much as the rest of the people who wanna kill us. We'd be buying short term stability for long term suffering. Better to just swallow this bitter pill and see things through. We'll just have to keep progressing in the humanist ideas tree and tolerate some heretics. But without being gamey now: We don't even have control of our sunni lands at this moment and are completely outnumbered by the rebels, We'll just have to bite this one before we lose Leon too or worse.
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Aug 3, 2017 21:07
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Ok, B. It is time to move forward into a more open and tolerant future.
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Aug 3, 2017 21:07
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The time to stop had passed long ago. Guess we need to keep going  I vote A
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Aug 3, 2017 21:13
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Aug 3, 2017 21:16
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B That update was exhausting to read. No more. No more. 
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Aug 3, 2017 21:21
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B We still have time to become the Muslim England of this timeline, we have the birthplace of factories, we go for a constitutional monarch, we just had our terrible English Civil War, there is a way out still.
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Aug 3, 2017 21:27
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We just need to get a lot of colonies, and yeah we can still pull off a proper not-British Empire. But, uh, that might be a bit of a problem.
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Aug 3, 2017 21:29
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Crazycryodude posted:We just need to get a lot of colonies, and yeah we can still pull off a proper not-British Empire. But, uh, that might be a bit of a problem. We still have time to make inroads in the Pacific. We could also just bully the Native powers in Mexico and California.
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Aug 3, 2017 21:31
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Honestly given our collective incompetence and the fact that we're almost in the 18th century i doubt we will even have time for that during EU4.
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Aug 3, 2017 21:34
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Captain Oblivious posted:That update was exhausting to read. loving seriously.  B, downsides to everything but eh.
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Aug 3, 2017 21:36
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A - Refuse The net change is just replacing our jizrunid with a heretical one, gently caress that noise.Not to mention that with our luck the grand vizier will most likely just take off with ismail and start another drat rebellion if we do that, this time with the sunni majority.
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Aug 3, 2017 21:44
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I'm a Merchant. I just want profit, and there can be no profit without peace. B
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Aug 3, 2017 21:46
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A - Refuse It's Utman or bust 
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Aug 3, 2017 21:48
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B. The time has come for peace. Also, holy poo poo.
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Aug 3, 2017 21:49
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Soup du Jour posted:Also, holy poo poo.
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This was all the Sultana's fault. Remember that. B. We must go back to our rightful line.
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