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Lawrence Gilchrist posted:hi, whats the appeal of red letter media. do they have charisma they have Rich Evans.
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The Archaic posted:How do you keep a straight face when near Rich, and say "192 mins" so convincingly. God I love this moment between them. Mike is starting to get as big as Rich so he's aiming to take over the the jolly fat man position.
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a bone to pick posted:they have Rich Evans. 
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Paladinus posted:I wish I could still enjoy war movies. I've seen so many as a child, I'm completely burned-out on the genre. Joking aside, I am also more weary of war films nowadays than I used to be, but it's no fault of the films themselves. A lot of them are really good. It's the culture that comes around war films that really makes me uncomfortable. You know how Rich and Mike described Rogue One as Star Wars porn for 30 year olds to masturbate to? War films, intentionally or not, cater to a similar audience of jingoists and old people either trying to get a high off of patriotic hero worship, or watch the films out of some weird obligation to recognize war movies as being "important" cinema. I wouldn't be nearly so disgusted with a film like American Sniper if it didn't have the utterly toxic community surrounding it touting it as having patriotic value and deriding anyone who criticized it for being a lazy Clint Eastwood hackjob as un-American.
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Stalingrad is a good war movie. A good war movie should leave you feeling like "holy poo poo what a loving waste, what a loving disaster" not "Hoorah!! Troops are heroes! Bring em on!"
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Miniseries is the optimal medium for war. See: Band of Bros and Generation Kill
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Jarhead was a good war movie for showing how loving boring war has become and not being all ooh-rah ARE HEROES about it.
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i liked Heartbreak Ridge "I'm gonna rip your head off and poo poo down your neck"
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also, Das Boot was great for showing what a waste war is. brilliant movie.
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Blind Sally posted:also, Das Boot was great for showing what a waste war is. brilliant movie. That ending kicked me in the nuts
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Baronjutter posted:Stalingrad is a good war movie. If you want a war movie like no other watch Come and See.
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Paladinus posted:Putting Dean Norris and Bruce Willis in the same movie is a bold choice. In the trailer when Dean Norris asks what the killer looked like, I thought she was going to say that it looked like him.
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a good modern war movie is Threads
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Baronjutter posted:Stalingrad is a good war movie. Old German film The Bridge is also pretty good for this. I think Stalingrad took alot of cues from it. It's even more about the pointless waste though, because at least in the battle of Stalingrad there was an actual war objective. The titular bridge in the Bridge is just farcically unimportant. Also it's only about 90 minutes long. Also I will keep suggesting the Beast (of war) from 1988 as a really good war movie about a tank. And the superior movie to come out that year about the war in Afghanistan.
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I liked Hurt Locker, but Generation Kill is still the best thing Iraq 2 has produced. Especially liked the AMERICA #1 PATRIOTS raging because it didn't make marines look like knights in shining armor, until actual marines came out to say "yeah it's pretty much accurate".
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WampaLord posted:Jarhead was a good war movie for showing how loving boring war has become and not being all ooh-rah ARE HEROES about it. it was directed by that bloke who did American Beauty if I remember correctly, it also showed the war crime America committed murdering all those Iraqis on the road
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also Come and See is the best war movie ever hands down
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JFairfax posted:it was directed by that bloke who did American Beauty if I remember correctly, it also showed the war crime America committed murdering all those Iraqis on the road War crimes aren't a bug of war, they are a feature. 
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Baronjutter posted:Stalingrad is a good war movie. What's the old quote, "There's no such thing as an anti-war film"? I think "Deer Hunter" is though. I didn't much like it because of the interminable wedding video footage, but I think it's a rare war movie that doesn't accidentally glorify war for the sake of action scenes. Not a whole movie, but there's an awesome scene at the beginning of "Lincoln" where troops have basically a giant knife fight in a shallow stream that sets the stakes for ending the war really well.
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bloom posted:Generation Kill is still the best thing
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Without Iraq 2 we wouldn't have gotten the Daily Show with Jon Stewart, but on the other hand we wouldn't have gotten the Daily Show with Trevor Noah.
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Jarhead was like American Sniper but without the propaganda.
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a bone to pick posted:Jarhead was like American Sniper but without the propaganda. My favorite part is Jake Gyllenhaal losing his girlfriend, and also the dude who gets mailed a VHS tape that he thinks is Deer Hunter but is actually a video of his wife loving Jody. They should put that tape on the Wheel of the Worst!
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Rogue One was a good Rogue One was a Rogue One was a movie
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vermin posted:Rogue One was a good Hey! It was a Star Wars movie! That's about all it has going for it and you omitted it; how cruel Everyone look forward to more "unremarkable movie, but with Star Wars in it" movies in the future
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WampaLord posted:My favorite part is Jake Gyllenhaal losing his girlfriend, and also the dude who gets mailed a VHS tape that he thinks is Deer Hunter but is actually a video of his wife loving Jody. one part that always sticks out to me is when they're defending some oil pipeline or something and one of the guys becomes attached to a rotting corpse.
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a bone to pick posted:one part that always sticks out to me is when they're defending some oil pipeline or something and one of the guys becomes attached to a rotting corpse. Yea, it was basically The Inner Psychology of a Typical Marine: The Movie.
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WampaLord posted:Yea, it was basically The Inner Psychology of a Typical Marine: The Movie. there's a similar thing in Full Metal Jacket where they have a dead VC just hanging around. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0m573MxXXw also this is one of the best war documentaries I've ever seen.
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JFairfax posted:also Come and See is the best war movie ever hands down ..Jay??
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My favourite WWII movie is The Dawns Here Are Quite. A rare Soviet war movie that I really like. People who complained about the absence of women in Dunkirk should watch it for balance.
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Baronjutter posted:Stalingrad is a good war movie. same with porn
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If they're gonna do war movies they need to focus less on brave american heroes on the western front and do a few movies of the hardcore front, the east, with Russia. That's where the war was decided... Two thirds of the german army was defeated there, not on the western pussy rear end front. Then they pushed back all the way to Berlin and fuckin took the city. Insane numbers of russians died in that meatgrinder. It was a huge front. I've seen like, one hollywood movie about it? The one with Jude Law as a sniper I can't remember any other big ones
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Zzulu posted:If they're gonna do war movies they need to focus less on brave american heroes on the western front and do a few movies of the hardcore front, the east, with Russia. That's where the war was decided... Two thirds of the german army was defeated there, not on the western pussy rear end front. Then they pushed back all the way to Berlin and fuckin took the city. There was Defiance with Daniel Craig as a Jewish Belarusian partisan.
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Zzulu posted:If they're gonna do war movies they need to focus less on brave american heroes on the western front and do a few movies of the hardcore front, the east, with Russia. That's where the war was decided... Two thirds of the german army was defeated there, not on the western pussy rear end front. Then they pushed back all the way to Berlin and fuckin took the city. Russia already produced a thousand of these, some are pretty good, but if you think american WWII movies reek of nationalism and rose-coloured glasses and worship of the "greatest generation" they got nothing on Russian war movies.
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Almost all russian (and european) movies suck except in rare occasions I want like, Spielberg to do a Saving Private Ryan-esque movie but with fuckin russians 
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Zzulu posted:If they're gonna do war movies they need to focus less on brave american heroes on the western front and do a few movies of the hardcore front, the east, with Russia. That's where the war was decided... Two thirds of the german army was defeated there, not on the western pussy rear end front. Then they pushed back all the way to Berlin and fuckin took the city. You think people don't know there was an eastern front that was bigger and bloodier than the rest? Also, Hollywood is in America. When you have such multifaceted wars as WW2 you aren't necessarily limited to just making media about what's the biggest or most important arena. One of the most important factors becomes what is most relatable to your audience and the ones producing the content. For Hollywood that is going to be America and Britain, Eastern Front fans might just have to deal with it. Also your statement seems kind of close to the sentiment of many who have read up on the Eastern Front and then seem to begin to assume that the Western Front and America and Britain's contributions were negligible by comparison. That's a fallacy. If you discount the huge importance of Britain not getting knocked out of the war in 1940 and the massive economic aid provided by the United States to both Britain and the Soviets, then there's still the fact that from 1944-1945 the Western Allies destroyed the German airforce, crippled Axis oil production, and tied down large numbers of elite mechanized and armored German formations that might have made a significant contribution in slowing down the Soviets in the East during the same period (the proportion of armored and mechanized formations was higher in both Italy, where there were many Panzergrenadier and weird LW and FJ divisions and regiments, and on the Western Front than in the East (which from 1944 received lower priority for such reinforcements). The fighting in Normandy and later in the forests in eastern France and Belgium had casualty rates that matched that of many Eastern Front battles, and from the invasion 'till the German surrender on 8 May, the Western Allies killed some 1-1.5 million Germans and captured millions more while suffering around 600-700 000 casualties themselves. You probably know this. But just because the Eastern Front was more bloody and more important in deciding the war that doesn't make the Western Front either unimportant or unworthy of mention by comparison.
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Zzulu posted:Almost all russian (and european) movies suck except in rare occasions As an American I dig the hell out of the Eastern front in fiction so I wish Hollywood would get the memo. I mean Enemy At the Gates was a fairly big hit and that is like, very sadly, the only loving Eastern Front movie that I can recall Hollywood putting out. All I remember about it now is Ed Harris being awesome and people loving in a fallout tunnel.
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i wish american sniper had been "accurate" to the book (which is full of lots of lies). chris kyle was an absolute psychopath whose death was his own dumbass fault.
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as a Canadian, I wish there were actual good Canadian war movies. I mean, are there any good Canadian war movies? i haven't seen Passchendale, though I heard it was only okay. a lot of the war movies from Canadian perspectives look like or are boring made-for-tv garbage. (the only Canadian war movie I've seen is Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS, lol)
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