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Ralepozozaxe posted:We just have to make sure the Vizier doesn't marry the Sultan's daughter, and everything should be fine. He's too old anyway. Edit: What's our devastation look like Hashim? Whoops, quoted myself.
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Let's go with A because it's full revolution or nuthin' 
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Edit: What's our devastation look like Hashim? It's worse in places like al-Mansha and Tulaytullah, which have been repeatedly freed and captured again, but most of the rebel-occupied provinces are still between 1 and 5%. With France out of the war, most of northern Iberia has already begun to recover. 
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I don't know if it makes sense to assume most of the rebels died; the stackwiping of rebels might just mean that the army broke as a fighting force after defeat. So 20000 losses could be interpreted as like 4,000 casualties and 16,000 peasants making GBS threads their pants and scattering instead of retreating.
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punched my v-card at camp posted:I don't know if it makes sense to assume most of the rebels died; the stackwiping of rebels might just mean that the army broke as a fighting force after defeat. So 20000 losses could be interpreted as like 4,000 casualties and 16,000 peasants making GBS threads their pants and scattering instead of retreating. Could also explain why the rebels kept popping up.
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Updated tally: A - We Refuse Him - 11 - ThatBasqueGuy, Crazycryodude, Agean90, Raserys, Weebus, Mountaineer, Sinner Sandwich, TheFlyingLlama, Slaan, tunapirate, mcclay. B - We Accept Him - 24 - Talas, Lord Cyrahzax, TyrsHTML, devildragon777, RZApublican, Frionnel, Crazycryodude, unwantedplatypus, Yvonmukluk, Captain Oblivious, WilliamAnderson, GunnerJ, Mountaineer, Soup du Jour, Hitlers Gay Secret, Grizzwold, Erwin the German, Ralepozozaxe, Technowolf, paragon1, AJ_Impy, HiHo ChiRho, catlord, Zakrelo.
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Aug 4, 2017 01:28
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The Thirty Years War accounted for approximately 3,000,000–11,500,000 casualties altogether, with the average German state losing 25% to 40% of its population. This civil war is absolutely devastating, and proportionally equal to the TYW in terms of casualties thanks to Iberia's smaller population, but in terms of sheer numbers the HRE has got us beat. Not that it matters, because we just became the Sick Man of Europe, and the rest of the subcontinent is looking hungry. Also, B.
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I changed to B after seeing the stability tab, I'll go edit my original post to make that clearer
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I'm pretty sure that it's a general rule in Paradox games that the casualties listed aren't all combat deaths, most of them are probably just prisoners of war or fleeing or something. Otherwise you can end up with Victoria 2 battles where hundreds of thousands die in a single fight.
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Hashim posted:Otherwise you can end up with Victoria 2 battles where hundreds of thousands die in a single fight. EDIT: Forgot you can't actually nuke in Vicky 2.
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Aug 4, 2017 01:49
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As much as I'd like to blame everyone left, right and centre, I also know that right now we have other things to be worrying about. A vote for B is a vote for a stable Andalusia.
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Aug 4, 2017 02:12
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Never back down. Never surrender. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Hashim posted:Updated tally: I'm voting for A too.
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Aug 4, 2017 02:36
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Well. That was quite a shitshow. B.
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Aug 4, 2017 02:46
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loving french super kings out of nowhere
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For what its worth, I took Utman's Aragonese and Castilian support to be from sunni governers ruling over large dhimmi populations. They don't want to be deposed so they throw their weight in with the Sultan.
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Aug 4, 2017 03:17
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b Less swords more plow shares!
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Aug 4, 2017 03:19
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I vote A. No pulling out unless we have total victory.
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Aug 4, 2017 03:20
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I put my vote towards A - We Refuse Him. gently caress 'em.
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Aug 4, 2017 04:31
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I say B. Don't think of it as giving up on Sunni Islam - consider it as not giving up our dreams of a Jizrunid Caliphate! The Ulema has never had greater opportunity, even if we have to modify some prayers and learn some new Hadiths.
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Aug 4, 2017 04:39
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B. Aljadid Mars, First of his name. By the grace and light of Allah, you people are the worst whiners! I spend 300 years as a hermit in Granada to come back to this nonsense. Well, let me give you a reminder: once there was no Al-Andalus, once there was but a tiny Taifa, a speck at the south end of Iberia named Cadiz. There is no defeat that is final, no loss that is insurmountable. All we need do is persevere.
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Wait, what the hell happened to Japan? They actually lost territory to some nobody northeastern Asian power? Wow, East Asia by and large is in a shitshow.* *with the obvious exception of the Red Turbans gobbling up even more of Korea. Seriously, I want to buy this game and download your mod just to play as them right now.
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Once I realized that Jianzhou sounds shockingly similar to G. I. Joe when you say it out loud, I've been unable to prevent myself from rooting for them.
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Patter Song posted:Once I realized that Jianzhou sounds shockingly similar to G. I. Joe when you say it out loud, I've been unable to prevent myself from rooting for them. Well, knowledge of the divine is half the battle. 
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My favourite thing here is Beninese Taiwan.
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I've been loyal forever, highness!the JJ posted:I'll join the pretenders faction.
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Aug 4, 2017 08:22
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I'll go with B.
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Aug 4, 2017 08:39
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Let's go with A. For no discernible reason.
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Aug 4, 2017 08:59
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Jeez, Hashim, are you alright? Do you need a hug? Have a hug.
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I've been wondering, how much of this is stuff that sort of spontaneously happens or arises because of poor life choices, and how much is specifically modded to happen? I never played EU4 but that's a hilarious dogpile.
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RBA Starblade posted:I've been wondering, how much of this is stuff that sort of spontaneously happens or arises because of poor life choices, and how much is specifically modded to happen? I never played EU4 but that's a hilarious dogpile. A bit of both. For example the Fitna of al-Andalus was a modded disaster (though it's pretty much adapted from the English Civil War disaster), but you can't really predict who's going to be declaring war on you before even starting the game, so everything in the previous update came together to become a bit of a dogpile, so yeah. Edit: I will add though that things aren't as apocalyptic as some people seem to think. There's still 140 years left in EU4, we're the birthplace of manufactories and primed to become the birthplace of the industrial revolution, and we still have control over some of Iberia's richest cities. It's going to be an upward climb, but we'll almost definitely be a great power come vicky. hashashash fucked around with this message at 14:33 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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Aug 4, 2017 14:30
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Not if the merchants keep running things we won't
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Aug 4, 2017 14:35
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Slaan posted:Not if the merchants keep running things we won't no jihad but class jihad
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Aug 4, 2017 14:45
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Jesus christ, this update. I just want to see Iberia prosper ;_;
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Aug 4, 2017 15:21
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This feels more like the Spanish Civil War than anything. We even had a pseudo-fascist leader.
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Agean90 posted:no jihad but class jihad Qft
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Hashim posted:A bit of both. For example the Fitna of al-Andalus was a modded disaster (though it's pretty much adapted from the English Civil War disaster), but you can't really predict who's going to be declaring war on you before even starting the game, so everything in the previous update came together to become a bit of a dogpile, so yeah. The EU4 AI is also pretty good at recognising weakness. Previous wars and rebellions had already drained manpower and with the new revolts it would probably have sat at 0 this entire decade. Anyone intrested in Andalusian territory and/or considering them rivals was very likely to go to war as soon as they thought they could win. (I'm actually not sure how heavily the AI weighs opposition debts in those calculations - probably not too heavily giving the amount of debt the AI's themselves can run around with on occasion - but they probalby don't help either)
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Hitlers Gay Secret posted:This feels more like the Spanish Civil War than anything. We even had a pseudo-fascist leader. Are you saying Cromwell wasn't proto-fascist?
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