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achillesforever6: Apr 23, 2012; psst you wanna do a communism?

FourLeaf posted:

https://twitter.com/USGS_Oklahoma/status/888138239109890049

Honestly I'm just glad the USGS seems to still being doing good work despite the current regime, then again there are probably like 20 actual geologists in Reston, the rest are biologists due to a consolidation of the USBS in the 90s as I was told when I did some research there in that really ugly facility.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 05:11

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# ? May 15, 2024 13:22

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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NewForumSoftware posted:

Part of the problem is that the rich countries don't understand that selling things to third world countries at a profit isn't really that much of a help. We should be building them for free.

"Here's the solution India! Go into more debt to western countries to stop the problems they created in the first place!"

When we gave India nuclear technology because they swore it would only be used for peaceful development to make everything cleaner and safer they used it to build nukes.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 05:15

SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

That was smart of them Tbh.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 05:56

BattleMoose: Jun 16, 2010

More climate scientists needed to avoid expensive mistakes, review urges
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-08-03/australia-needs-more-climate-scientists-review-urges/8767004

quote:

"We currently do not know whether rainfall evaporation is going to increase or decrease over the Murray-Darling Basin and this has obviously large implications for sourcing our food and profitability in those regions," Professor Trevor McDougall, who led the review for the academy, said. "We've progressed over the last decades from being confident in predictions at the scale of Australia to being almost sure of some predictions of temperature at state level." But without any more climate science researchers, the academy said the nation would not be able to get any more precise than that.

Our government wanted to sack 100 climate scientists a year ago and instead only sacked 40. This review calls for 77 extra positions. Considering the political climate, this is just not going to happen.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 06:16

Conspiratiorist: Nov 12, 2015; 17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the ~~fifth~~ ~~sixth~~ some day

You'd think a country that's mostly desert would be very concerned with researching shifting weather patterns that might lead to an increase in desertification and compromise agriculture.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 06:29

Salt Fish: Sep 11, 2003; Cybernetic Crumb

achillesforever6 posted:

Honestly I'm just glad the USGS seems to still being doing good work despite the current regime, then again there are probably like 20 actual geologists in Reston, the rest are biologists due to a consolidation of the USBS in the 90s as I was told when I did some research there in that really ugly facility.

Yeah but the video ends in 2016.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 06:30

BattleMoose: Jun 16, 2010

Conspiratiorist posted:

You'd think a country that's mostly desert would be very concerned with researching shifting weather patterns that might lead to an increase in desertification and compromise agriculture.

You really would think. Especially considering Australia had its worst drought ever from about 2000-2010. It was bad.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 06:43

Notorious R.I.M.: Jan 27, 2004; up to my ass in alligators

blowfish posted:

Radio interference of what?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coase_theorem

Namely

quote:

if trade in an externality is possible and there are sufficiently low transaction costs, bargaining will lead to a Pareto efficient outcome regardless of the initial allocation of property.

Which works well with stuff like price markets on FM/AM radio bands, but it doesn't work so well with stuff like making GBS threads out carbon everywhere.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 06:45

the old ceremony: Aug 1, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

turnbull (australia's pm) sucks rear end because unlike trump he is actually pretty intelligent and scientists who've discussed the issue with him say he's got a decent handle on climate change and how hard it's going to gently caress the country - he just refuses to do anything because it would stand in the way of PROGRESS and JOBS

# ? Aug 3, 2017 07:12

the old ceremony: Aug 1, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

BattleMoose posted:

You really would think. Especially considering Australia had its worst drought ever from about 2000-2010. It was bad.

and we just had our driest winter on record too. winter rainfall in australia has always been a constant (unlike summer rainfall which could never be counted on) but this year there was just nothing and now all the farmers are losing their poo poo

# ? Aug 3, 2017 07:19

BattleMoose: Jun 16, 2010

the old ceremony posted:

turnbull (australia's pm) sucks rear end because unlike trump he is actually pretty intelligent and scientists who've discussed the issue with him say he's got a decent handle on climate change and how hard it's going to gently caress the country - he just refuses to do anything because it would stand in the way of PROGRESS and JOBS

He refuses to do anything because doing so would be diametrically opposed to the desires of his party and he would lose his prime ministership instantly. What is worse, having someone how doesn't believe in climate change and refuses to do anything about it or someone who gets climate change but cannot do anything about it?

# ? Aug 3, 2017 07:19

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

BattleMoose posted:

What is worse, having someone how doesn't believe in climate change and refuses to do anything about it or someone who gets climate change but cannot do anything about it?

The latter. In the first case, the person presumably believes that addressing climate change is unnecessary and will negatively impact the entire country. In the second case the person the person presumably knows how vital it is to both the country and the planet but still prioritises their own self-interest above all else.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 07:28

the old ceremony: Aug 1, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

i believe killing a tree should be illegalised and punished just like killing a human

# ? Aug 3, 2017 10:30

Conspiratiorist: Nov 12, 2015; 17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the ~~fifth~~ ~~sixth~~ some day

BattleMoose posted:

He refuses to do anything because doing so would be diametrically opposed to the desires of his party and he would lose his prime ministership instantly. What is worse, having someone how doesn't believe in climate change and refuses to do anything about it or someone who gets climate change but cannot do anything about it?

The former case doesn't really apply in this context, because one of the first security briefings Trump should've received is the military telling him that climate change is real and the effects they are seeing, and expect it to have, on overall US geopolitical imperatives.

I mean, unless we assume he's so senile he couldn't understand/believe that even coming from the horse's own mouth.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 10:32

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

the old ceremony posted:

i believe killing a tree should be illegalised and punished just like killing a human

people for ethical treatment of arboreal lifeforms

# ? Aug 3, 2017 10:33

NewForumSoftware: Oct 8, 2016; by Lowtax

Fojar38 posted:

When we gave India nuclear technology because they swore it would only be used for peaceful development to make everything cleaner and safer they used it to build nukes.

good

maybe next time we'll build a plant

# ? Aug 3, 2017 13:51

davebo: Nov 15, 2006; Parallel lines do meet, but they do it incognito; College Slice

I get that fracking causes earthquakes but what else were going to use Oklahoma for? Let's just frack it all we can until it's a cracked mess then cover the whole state with solar panels.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 16:03

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Release it as the sovereign state of Sequoyah and kick all non-natives out.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 16:22

Gunshow Poophole: Sep 14, 2008; OMBUDSMAN
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davebo posted:

I get that fracking causes earthquakes but what else were going to use Oklahoma for? Let's just frack it all we can until it's a cracked mess then cover the whole state with solar panels.

Sounds good

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Release it as the sovereign state of Sequoyah and kick all non-natives out.

Also sounds good

# ? Aug 3, 2017 16:48

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

Last nation out, don't forget to give the can a good final kick down the road.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 16:55

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

the old ceremony posted:

i believe killing a tree should be illegalised and punished just like killing a human

A vote for every tree, sapling and seed!

# ? Aug 3, 2017 16:58

dex_sda: Oct 11, 2012

blowfish posted:

people for ethical treatment of arboreal lifeforms

PETAL is an apt name

# ? Aug 3, 2017 20:01

call to action: Jun 10, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

I need another dose of alarmism, please!

# ? Aug 3, 2017 21:00

Fojar38: Sep 2, 2011; Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia

also here's a stupid take
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NewForumSoftware posted:

good

maybe next time we'll build a plant

We gave them CANDU's, which can't produce weapons grade material and can only generate electricity.

They reverse engineered the technology and then built a reactor that can produce weapons grade material which they used to build nukes.

I mean I guess that advocating nuclear proliferation in the hopes of an exchange is one way to combat global warming

# ? Aug 3, 2017 21:20

Thug Lessons: Dec 14, 2006; I lust in my heart for as many dead refugees as possible.

Can anyone get institutional access to this and post it? Looks pretty significant if you're at all worried about methane clathrate.

http://www.nature.com/ngeo/journal/v10/n8/full/ngeo2992.html?foxtrotcallback=true

# ? Aug 3, 2017 21:29

Arglebargle III: Feb 21, 2006

Yeah I could.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 22:32

Bruce Hussein Daddy: Dec 26, 2005; I testify that there is none worthy of worship except God and I testify that Muhammad is the Messenger of God

call to action posted:

I need another dose of alarmism, please!

# ? Aug 3, 2017 23:27

SSJ_naruto_2003: Oct 12, 2012

That dip does not look good

# ? Aug 3, 2017 23:40

Accretionist: Nov 7, 2012; I BELIEVE IN STUPID CONSPIRACY THEORIES

SSJ_naruto_2003 posted:

That dip ~~does not~~ looks good

Give in to the spectacle.

# ? Aug 3, 2017 23:46

Banana Man: Oct 2, 2015; mm time 2 gargle piss and shit

Cmon I need some harder poo poo than that

# ? Aug 4, 2017 03:57

TACD: Oct 27, 2000

Banana Man posted:

Cmon I need some harder poo poo than that

Climate change to cause humid heatwaves that will kill even healthy people

quote:

Extreme heatwaves that kill even healthy people within hours will strike parts of the Indian subcontinent unless global carbon emissions are cut sharply and soon, according to new research.

Even outside of these hotspots, three-quarters of the 1.7bn population � particularly those farming in the Ganges and Indus valleys � will be exposed to a level of humid heat classed as posing �extreme danger� towards the end of the century.

The new analysis assesses the impact of climate change on the deadly combination of heat and humidity, measured as the �wet bulb� temperature (WBT). Once this reaches 35C, the human body cannot cool itself by sweating and even fit people sitting in the shade will die within six hours.

The revelations show the most severe impacts of global warming may strike those nations, such as India, whose carbon emissions are still rising as they lift millions of people out of poverty.

�It presents a dilemma for India between the need to grow economically at a fast pace, consuming fossil fuels, and the need to avoid such potentially lethal impacts,� said Prof Elfatih Eltahir, at Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the US who led the new study. �To India, global climate change is no longer abstract � it is about how to save potentially vulnerable populations.�

Heatwaves are already a major risk in South Asia, with a severe episode in 2015 leading to 3,500 deaths, and India recorded its hottest ever day in 2016 when the temperature in the city of Phalodi, Rajasthan, hit 51C. Another new study this week linked the impact of climate change to the suicides of nearly 60,000 Indian farmers.

Eltahir said poor farmers are most at risk from future humid heatwaves, but have contributed very little to the emissions that drive climate change. The eastern part of China, another populous region where emissions are rising, is also on track for extreme heatwaves and this risk is currently being examined by the scientists.

Their previous research, published in 2015, showed the Gulf in the Middle East, the heartland of the global oil industry, will also suffer heatwaves beyond the limit of human survival if climate change is unchecked, particularly Abu Dhabi, Dubai, Doha and coastal cities in Iran.

The new work, published in the journal Science Advances, used carefully selected computer climate models that accurately simulate the past climate of the South Asia to conduct a high resolution analysis of the region, down to 25km.

The scientists found that under a business-as-usual scenario, where carbon emissions are not curbed, 4% of the population would suffer unsurvivable six-hour heatwaves of 35C WBT at least once between 2071-2100. The affected cities include Lucknow in Uttar Pradesh and Patna in Bihar, each currently home to more than two million people.

Vast areas of South Asia � covering 75% of the area�s population � would endure at least one heatwave of 31C WBT. This is already above the level deemed by the US National Weather Service to represent �extreme danger�, with its warning stating: �If you don�t take precautions immediately when conditions are extreme, you may become seriously ill or even die.�

However, if emissions are reduced roughly in line with the global Paris climate change agreement, there would be no 35C WBT heatwaves and the population affected by the 31C WBT events falls to 55%, compared to the 15% exposed today.

The analysis also showed that the dangerous 31C WBT level would be passed once every two years for 30% of the population � more than 500 million people � if climate change is unchecked, but for only 2% of the population if the Paris goals are met. �The problem is very alarming but the intensity of the heatwaves can be reduced considerably if global society takes action,� said Eltahir.

South Asia is particularly at risk from these extreme heatwaves because the annual monsoon brings hot and humid air on to the land. The widespread use of irrigation adds to the risk, because evaporation of the water increases humidity. The projected extremes are higher in the Gulf in the Middle East, but there they mostly occur over the gulf itself, rather than on land as in South Asia.

The limit of survivability, at 35C WBT, was almost reached in Bandar Mahshahr in Iran in July 2015, where 46C heat combined with 50% humidity. �This suggests the threshold may be breached sooner than projected,� said the researchers.

Prof Christoph Sch�r, a climate scientist at ETH Zurich, Switzerland, and who was not involved in the study, said: �This is a solid piece of work, which will likely shape our perception of future climate change. In my view, the results are of concern and alarming.�

The report demonstrates the urgency of measures to both cut emissions and help people cope better with such heatwaves, he said. There are uncertainties in the modelling � which Sch�r noted could underestimate or overestimate the impacts � as representing monsoon climates can be difficult and historical data is relatively scarce.

Prof Chris Huntingford, at the UK Centre for Ecology and Hydrology, said: �If given just one word to describe climate change, then �unfairness� would be a good candidate. Raised levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere are expected to cause deadly heatwaves for much of South Asia. Yet many of those living there will have contributed little to climate change.�

# ? Aug 4, 2017 06:51

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

Banana Man posted:

Cmon I need some harder poo poo than that

Not quite climate (maybe?)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/25/male-sperm-count-declining/508734001/

# ? Aug 4, 2017 06:58

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Notorious R.I.M. posted:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coase_theorem

Namely

Which works well with stuff like price markets on FM/AM radio bands, but it doesn't work so well with stuff like making GBS threads out carbon everywhere.

A Pareto efficient outcome that happens to be arrived at isn't necessarily a good outcome.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 07:04

Zudgemud: Mar 1, 2009; Grimey Drawer

got any sevens posted:

Not quite climate (maybe?)
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/07/25/male-sperm-count-declining/508734001/

From a climate perspective this is good news though.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 08:03

suck my woke dick: Oct 10, 2012; I CANNOT EJACULATE WITHOUT SEEING NATIVE AMERICANS BRUTALISED!

Put this cum-loving slave on ignore immediately!

Zudgemud posted:

From a climate perspective this is good news though.

Kill all humans :hellyeah:

# ? Aug 4, 2017 11:46

StabbinHobo: Oct 18, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

camera footage of like an entire village of dead bodies from a heat wave might be the kind of visual that finally makes things real to people bad at abstract concepts

# ? Aug 4, 2017 14:47

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

StabbinHobo posted:

camera footage of like an entire village of dead bodies from a heat wave might be the kind of visual that finally makes things real to people bad at abstract concepts

We already have droughts and famines and most westerners are still fygm'ers. Need guillotines

# ? Aug 4, 2017 14:57

Mat Cauthon: Jan 2, 2006; The more tragic things get,
the more I feel like laughing.

StabbinHobo posted:

camera footage of like an entire village of dead bodies from a heat wave might be the kind of visual that finally makes things real to people bad at abstract concepts

Not unless those corpses are white people from a first world nation. And even then I'd put it at like 50/50 odds.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 14:58

Conspiratiorist: Nov 12, 2015; 17th Separate Kryvyi Rih Tank Brigade named after Konstantin Pestushko
Look to my coming on the first light of the ~~fifth~~ ~~sixth~~ some day

We're not very far off from getting a deadly high humidity heat wave in Florida.

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# ? May 15, 2024 13:22

StabbinHobo: Oct 18, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

got any sevens posted:

We already have droughts and famines and most westerners are still fygm'ers. Need guillotines

not the same thing at all, those play out over months/seasons/years, this would look like pompeii

# ? Aug 4, 2017 15:24

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