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yeah I'm really glad that mcdonalds, toyota, amazon, etc adjusts their prices to reflect the income and ability to pay of their location 
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Can anyone explain to me why it actually matters that minimum wage should be means tested for local costs of living? It just feels like a bullshit excuse to help capitalists keep exploiting rural labor. $20/hr barely gets you by in NYC and SF but that's living comfortably in ohio, so it makes sense if you're an increasingly anxious politician facing an eventual revolt from your voter base Business Gorillas has issued a correction as of 23:07 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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new york's $15 minimum wage is more gradual for the rest of the state than it is for NYC- it's going to get there at the end of 2019 instead of the end of 2018 for the city. minneapolis's $15 minimum wage is coming to them so slowly (2024, i believe) that it's a complete joke. and means testing it would make it irredeemable to the point of asking why we should botherlancemantis posted:its all part of the democrats dream vision: bolstering the lines of credit and other financial instruments along with venture capital, doing their duty for their
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Can anyone explain to me why it actually matters that minimum wage should be means tested for local costs of living? It just feels like a bullshit excuse to help capitalists keep exploiting rural labor. i dunno it makes sense to me to adjust it based on cost of living. of course in this instance it will only be used to keep wages down instead of paying new yorkers more
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Business Gorillas posted:$20/hr barely gets you by in NYC and SF but that's living comfortably in ohio, so it makes sense if you're an increasingly anxious politician facing an eventual revolt from your voter base babypolis posted:i dunno it makes sense to me to adjust it based on cost of living. of course in this instance it will only be used to keep wages down instead of paying new yorkers more Yeah that's the rub of it, that it's really just equalizing misery instead of having any real justifiable cause.
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Aug 5, 2017 03:42
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You could have it adjusted based on cost of living in the area but work it out so the average over the entire country is $15/hr.
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https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/893542094974922752
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Al Digiorno is the first checkmark wonk to block me. It feels pretty good.
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MizPiz posted:Al Digiorno is the first checkmark wonk to block me. It feels pretty good. He's the MySpace Tom of checkmarks blocking you.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:He's the MySpace Tom of checkmarks blocking you. Just because a slut takes your virginity, it doesn't make losing it any less special.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:He's the MySpace Tom of checkmarks blocking you. i would vote tom from myspace for president he took half a billion dollars and apparently mostly just flies around the world doing hdr photos of buildings and tasteful bikini shots. that's a message that will resonate with americans
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Thanks to the tech and real estate bubble, California's gradual $15 an hour bill probably isn't a livable wage in most of the state as is, let alone when it finally gets to $15
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i'm listening to the Vox foreign policy podcast out of pure morbid curiosity and they've said the word "expert" about 20 times in the last 20 minutes, each time with a really weird, breathless, almost orgasmic reverence. the topic was North Korea and their take was that the expert's narrative that there's no threat there was wrong, but the public is just too hysterical and irrational to know the truth, so let's keep going with it
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icantfindaname posted:i'm listening to the Vox foreign policy podcast out of pure morbid curiosity and they've said the word "expert" about 20 times in the last 20 minutes, each time with a really weird, breathless, almost orgasmic reverence. the topic was North Korea and their take was that the expert's narrative that there's no threat there was wrong, but the public is just too hysterical and irrational to know the truth, so let's keep going with it "had it with these fake so-called experts telling me its a bad idea to nuke pyongyang" - the president in like 5 days probably
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 what the gently caress is wrong with these whiny, passive aggressive shtiheels? why can't the democrats die already?
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Top City Homo posted:
99% chance it's disguised fundraising, there'll be a prompt after you 'sign'.
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Top City Homo posted:
Well I would say the problem here is that they contract with the most cheapest fundraising firms who are willing to put out desperate, thirsty, pathetic spam mail to maximize their take w/ the addled, desperate, fanatic, and/or elderly. The only thing the DNC even glances at are the $ in and $ out figures, they don't give a second thought to the idea that they might be alienating folks or making themselves look like hapless fuckwads.
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The bright side of NK is as long as we don't nuke it in the next 12 months, we probably never will.
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Vox Nihili posted:Well I would say the problem here is that they contract with the most cheapest fundraising firms who are willing to put out desperate, thirsty, pathetic spam mail to maximize their take w/ the addled, desperate, fanatic, and/or elderly. The only thing the DNC even glances at are the $ in and $ out figures, they don't give a second thought to the idea that they might be alienating folks or making themselves look like hapless fuckwads. i'm the guy on the DCCC mailing list who's still on the fence about voting democrat
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Fallen Hamprince posted:i'm the guy on the DCCC mailing list who's still on the fence about voting democrat Radical centrist.
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Fallen Hamprince posted:99% chance it's disguised fundraising, there'll be a prompt after you 'sign'. I hope it's Russian-Nigerian hackers
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Top City Homo posted:
i'm british and every time i see whatever democrats are doing i feel really smug about how much better labour is lol
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Fallen Hamprince posted:i'm the guy on the DCCC mailing list who's still on the fence about voting democrat there are three (3) people on the list now
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Fallen Hamprince posted:Rightist: "Let's throw people into camps"  
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Fallen Hamprince posted:i'm the guy on the DCCC mailing list who's still on the fence about voting democrat i mistakenly ossofed myself and gave 5 dollars to that absolute smooth brained boy going to vote for the marxist leninist party gently caress everyone crawling in my skiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fuuwM0Afqo
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Aug 6, 2017 16:53
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free slave labor is absolute radical centrism
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It's so funny how modern centrists are literally tankies without the ideology or symbolism. Gulags for everyone
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Larry Parrish posted:It's so funny how modern centrists are literally tankies without the ideology or symbolism. Gulags for everyone It turns out that authoritarianism pretty much turns out the same with relatively minor differences based on the supposed underlying ideology.
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DNC 2020 should just stop pretending and break out the flag with the fasces from HOI4
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Larry Parrish posted:It's so funny how modern centrists are literally tankies without the ideology or symbolism. Gulags for everyone in the uk at least a lot of third-wayers really did used to be marxist-leninists
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i've been thinking for a couple of months now that the New Deal would be an absolute non-starter for today's DNC. now that we actually have the New Deal as a proposal from Schumer, i'll actually get to see whether i'm proven right (almost certainly) at some point i'm going to post an email from the Working Families Party as a way to show how much better they are at making fundraising emails. i did it once before in a different thread but i'm too lazy to dig it up, gently caress yall
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and i must meme posted:in the uk at least a lot of third-wayers really did used to be marxist-leninists During the Reagan years a lot of US trots and MLs shot their old socialist self behind a shed and came out of it all-in for the new neoliberal/neocon order. I think it was a process everywhere that a lot of the more careerist types just saw a new era to exploit.
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I dunno, the whole neocon project and the new labour thing were a lot more ideological than we give them credit for imo. All these apostate leftists came out of the woodwork around the time the cracks were really beginning to show in the Soviet Union and the economic concensus in the west was shifting towards neoliberalism. Those shitbirds took all the theory they learned in their trotskyite or eurocommunist grouplets and applied them to a new, equally revolutionary (in their minds at least) vision. I think they genuinely thought free markets, globalisation and liberal interventionism were the next phase of human liberation in some hosed up Straussian sense.
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TomViolence posted:I dunno, the whole neocon project and the new labour thing were a lot more ideological than we give them credit for imo. All these apostate leftists came out of the woodwork around the time the cracks were really beginning to show in the Soviet Union and the economic concensus in the west was shifting towards neoliberalism. Those shitbirds took all the theory they learned in their trotskyite or eurocommunist grouplets and applied them to a new, equally revolutionary (in their minds at least) vision. I think they genuinely thought free markets, globalisation and liberal interventionism were the next phase of human liberation in some hosed up Straussian sense. It's actually literally counter-revolutionary, because neoliberalism seeks to maintain an eternal present which only "advances" according to commodity innovations. Those Trotsykists and Eurocommies saw what happened when De-Stalinization exposed Soviet atrocities, and the truth came out about the GLF and the failure of the Cultural Revolution, so they assumed that nothing could be better than liberal democracy and there was no real alternative.
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Inescapable Duck posted:It turns out that authoritarianism pretty much turns out the same with relatively minor differences based on the supposed underlying ideology. *nods sagely* theres actually zero difference between good & bad things. Top City Homo has issued a correction as of 00:58 on Aug 7, 2017 |
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I unironically want to host a book burning for The Last Man and The End of History
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Neocons are Trots who decided the economic part of Communism was the problem. The part where you brutally enforce your ideas on the world by gunpoint, and expect the benighted savages to thank you for conquering them -- that part was still supposedly a great idea, no need to revise any of that.
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