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Monglo posted:You don't respond to words with violence. Violent against opposing political ideas is a hallmark of authoritarian regimes such as fascism. That makes everyone who punches a "Nazi" a Nazi (or a fascist) themselves making him deserving of getting punched. I haven't read through all the threads on this antifa/alt-right conflict. Sorry if I'm repeating a thing already covered. Only if they are doing if from a position of authority.
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You see the biggest problem with nazis is that the employ violence to political ends. In fact that's all a nazi is, someone who does that. Everyone who employs political violence is a nazi, and there's nothing else objectionable about nazis! See also: noted nazi: nelson mandela.
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Aug 5, 2017 00:41
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Monglo posted:You don't respond to words with violence. Violent against opposing political ideas is a hallmark of authoritarian regimes such as fascism. That makes everyone who punches a "Nazi" a Nazi (or a fascist) themselves making him deserving of getting punched. I haven't read through all the threads on this antifa/alt-right conflict. Sorry if I'm repeating a thing already covered. Literally just "Fighting Nazis makes you the real Nazis". Self-defence against a fascist threat doesn't make you as bad as the actual loving Nazis.
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Refried Hero posted:Except for the fact that nazism (and fascism in general, to be honest) is an inherently violent ideology. It, by its very nature, targets a group of people as 'undesirable' and seeks to remove them from the general population of the nation. A violent response to this is, probably, the most correct response, regardless of what you think about political discourse. Beyond that, allowing these people to have a platform allows them to gain legitimacy when they speak - purely by being calm and collected about how 'those people' need to be 'peacefully removed' from society. quote:Except for the fact that Marxism (and communism in general, to be honest) is an inherently violent ideology. It, by its very nature, targets a group of people as 'undesirable' and seeks to remove them from the general population of the nation. hmm
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Aug 5, 2017 00:43
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Well except that that's also wrong sure.
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Aug 5, 2017 00:44
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Monglo posted:Violent against opposing political ideas is a hallmark of authoritarian regimes such as fascism. That makes everyone who punches a "Nazi" a Nazi (or a fascist) themselves making him deserving of getting punched.
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OwlFancier posted:You see the biggest problem with nazis is that the employ violence to political ends. In fact that's all a nazi is, someone who does that. Everyone who employs political violence is a nazi, and there's nothing else objectionable about nazis! Winnie Mandela told her followers to commit series of terrorist acts against innocent if bigoted (probably racist) people. Winnie Mandela is responsible for the killing and torture of children.
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Aug 5, 2017 00:46
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OwlFancier posted:I mean technically I agree with you, it would be much more efficient to employ massive collective or state action to suppress them rather than resorting to enthusiastic private enterprise I don't think its promotion when its presented as something bad or worthy of mockery. That's essentially what folks like Kevin Logan are doing.
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OwlFancier posted:Well except that that's also wrong sure. *starts gunning down Kulaks for having too much land*
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Winnie Mandela told her followers to commit series of terrorist acts against innocent if bigoted (probably racist) people. Winnie Mandela is responsible for the killing and torture of children. You're responsible for the killing and torture of my brain cells.
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Aug 5, 2017 00:47
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You're pretty dumb.
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:*starts gunning down Kulaks for having too much land* That's marxist leninism.
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Aug 5, 2017 00:48
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Winnie Mandela told her followers to commit series of terrorist acts against innocent if bigoted (probably racist) people. Winnie Mandela is responsible for the killing and torture of children.
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Aug 5, 2017 00:49
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Refried Hero posted:You're pretty dumb. he's a certified retard
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Aug 5, 2017 00:52
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What year are you in at school?
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Guavanaut posted:If the state came out and beat someone for saying something critical of it then probably yes. If a handful of people who are not the state and work against it come out and beat someone for wanting to do genocides then probably no. So, are you saying that it's unfair to call a handful of people who are not the state nazis?
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OwlFancier posted:That's marxist leninism. Just been speed reading the Marxist-Leninist article on Wikipedia and found this Has the Jam Man memed himself throughout space-time or something?
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Aug 5, 2017 00:54
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IFM have you ever had full sex with a woman?
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Monglo posted:So, are you saying that it's unfair to call a handful of people who are not the state nazis? He's saying your definition of nazi is stupid. Which it is.
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Aug 5, 2017 00:55
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Gorn Myson posted:What year are you in at school? Reception I am loving the Biff, Chip and Kipper books
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JFairfax posted:IFM have you ever had full sex with a woman? What is full sex? When you creampie inside her?
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:What is full sex? that's a no then you virgin shut-in
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I did not propose my definition of nazis. I just said that violent response to an opposing idea is strongly associated with authoritarian regimes such as fascism (Nazism). So if a person doesn't want to promote these ideologies, it seems to me that he also should refrain from engaging into their practices, such as violence against people he doesn't agree with.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:02
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Monglo posted:I did not propose my definition of nazis. I just said that violent response to an opposing idea is strongly associated with authoritarian regimes such as fascism (Nazism). So if a person doesn't want to promote these ideologies, it seems to me that he also should refrain from engaging into their practices, such as violence against people he doesn't agree with. "I'm not saying political violence makes you a nazi but if you use political violence you're basically a nazi" Either one or the other, you can't have both. Own what you're saying.
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Aug 5, 2017 01:03
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Monglo posted:I did not propose my definition of nazis. I just said that violent response to an opposing idea is strongly associated with authoritarian regimes such as fascism (Nazism). It's also strongly related to western democracies during WWII and the cold war.and today
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Aug 5, 2017 01:05
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Monglo posted:I did not propose my definition of nazis. I just said that violent response to an opposing idea is strongly associated with authoritarian regimes such as fascism (Nazism). So if a person doesn't want to promote these ideologies, it seems to me that he also should refrain from engaging into their practices, such as violence against people he doesn't agree with. Are you disqualifying political revolution? What should have happened in Haiti, or under the czar in Russia, or in France under the old regime?
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Intrinsic Field Marshal posted:Reception
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Aug 5, 2017 01:08
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He's a disingenuous fuckwit whatever age he is.
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OwlFancier posted:"I'm not saying political violence makes you a nazi but if you use political violence you're basically a nazi" My point is that political violence, and I think "punching nazis" falls under that umbrella, because it's done out of political disagreement, is wrong AND has a strong connection to actual historical nazism. Which makes it wrong for a person who says he's against it to engage in. That's if we are using the traditional definition of nazism as an ideology which follows in the footsteps of Nazi Germany's.
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Monglo posted:My point is that political violence, and I think "punching nazis" falls under that umbrella, because it's done out of political disagreement, is wrong AND has a strong connection to actual historical nazism. Which makes it wrong for a person who says he's against it to engage in. That's if we are using the traditional definition of nazism as an ideology which follows in the footsteps of Nazi Germany's. I'm sorry for feeling strongly about people who want people like me put in death camps. I'm exactly like them for telling them to shut up with a baseball bat. Get hosed.
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Monglo posted:My point is that political violence, and I think "punching nazis" falls under that umbrella, because it's done out of political disagreement, is wrong AND has a strong connection to actual historical nazism. Which makes it wrong for a person who says he's against it to engage in. That's if we are using the traditional definition of nazism as an ideology which follows in the footsteps of Nazi Germany's. Your point is nonsensical. I am not remotely against political violence because political violence is not why nazis are bad. You might as well suggest that art deco architecture is nazi and people should refrain from that as well. Do you seriously think that the use of political violence to achieve a goal is why the nazis are bad? You have, perhaps, no opinions on the goals they used it to achieve? The worst thing on the list of reasons why nazism is an abhorrent ideology is that they beat people up sometimes for disagreeing with them verbally?
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Monglo posted:My point is that political violence, and I think "punching nazis" falls under that umbrella, because it's done out of political disagreement, is wrong AND has a strong connection to actual historical nazism. Which makes it wrong for a person who says he's against it to engage in. That's if we are using the traditional definition of nazism as an ideology which follows in the footsteps of Nazi Germany's. So what about political revolution? What should the Warsaw Ghetto have done? What should the conquered people of France have done? The American colonies?
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Monglo posted:I did not propose my definition of nazis. I just said that violent response to an opposing idea is strongly associated with authoritarian regimes such as fascism (Nazism). So if a person doesn't want to promote these ideologies, it seems to me that he also should refrain from engaging into their practices, such as violence against people he doesn't agree with. you're saying actions taken by private individuals have the hallmarks of authoritarian regimes. if you don't recognize how blindingly stupid this argument is then i doubt i can properly explain it to you. it's the same as complaining that someone telling you to shut up is violating your first amendment rights. i'm sorry that you had to find out that you are incredibly stupid in this fashion but time heals all wounds
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business hammocks posted:So what about political revolution? What should the Warsaw Ghetto have done? What should the conquered people of France have done? The American colonies? *incredibly liberal centrist voice* "Erm actually, they should have tried talking to the people trying to murder them. Did you know the truth is in the middle and both sides are bad?"
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Monglo posted:My point is that political violence, and I think "punching nazis" falls under that umbrella, because it's done out of political disagreement, is wrong AND has a strong connection to actual historical nazism. is this man a nazi? please answer yes or no 
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business hammocks posted:So what about political revolution? What should the Warsaw Ghetto have done? Not have the Commies backstab them?
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business hammocks posted:So what about political revolution? What should the Warsaw Ghetto have done? What should the conquered people of France have done? The American colonies? sorry pal, they're all nazis. everyone you like? nazis. i'm a very politically astute individual, and i hate to say it but you're probably a nazi. now let me tell you how baseless accusations of racism are ruining civil discourse
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boner confessor posted:is this man a nazi? please answer yes or no he was a civil rights activist with extreme and sometimes violent methods the Magneto of black civil rights dont put Malcolm X on the same level as a bunching of LARPing bourgies
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boner confessor posted:sorry pal, they're all nazis. everyone you like? nazis. i'm a very politically astute individual, and i hate to say it but you're probably a nazi. now let me tell you how baseless accusations of racism are ruining civil discourse I did nazi see this coming what a twist
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