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Lord Cyrahzax posted:The Loyalists, the Ulema, even the Merchants, what's the difference? Each are stained by incompetence and treachery! Only the Taifas have stood firm for Al-Andalus again and again! Only the Taifas have what it takes to stand with our new Sultan to drag this nation out of the grave you pack of fools have dug for it! I mean, we're still hella incompetent, you can't forget that.
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catlord posted:I mean, we're still hella incompetent, you can't forget that. But certainly the least incompetent. 
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Lord Cyrahzax posted:But certainly the least incompetent. Indeed, and least in all other areas too.
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Aug 5, 2017 00:04
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To be fair, it was revealed that he was absolutely mad a couple days after we all lined up behind him.
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Hashim, at the end of the next update, can you give us a good look at our country? All the ideas we've chosen, our income and it's sources, maps, any modifiers we have, stuff like that. edit Sweet vv Ralepozozaxe fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Hashim, at the end of the next update, can you give us a good look at our country? All the ideas we've chosen, our income and it's sources, maps, any modifiers we have, stuff like that. One more update, then I'll do another State of the World chapter (so around 1700), and include as much as possible in it.
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Personally I figured significant resistance from the Majlis to the Sultan would have just resulted in a civil war anyway. That's why I joined the loyalists.
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I joined the loyalists at the very beginning because i'm a big ol' reactionary who hates voting. For a single session before the big influx I was the only voting loyalist (although another guy voted after the deadline), and although the dream is dead in Al-Andalus, you can just imagine I set sail after the Sultan in Palermo to agititate for absolutism there.
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the JJ posted:I've been loyal forever, highness! If it wasn't clear, this was meant to be a vote for accepting. I wanted to join that branch of the family waaaaaay back when they were first chased out. I've been a crypto-Tariqi the whole time!
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NewMars posted:We could have a republican/constitutionalism faction? More autonomy! Devolution! Power to the people! Statutes of limitations! I don't think that calling for the abolition of the monarchy immediately after appointing a new monarch is really believable. A Constitutionalist faction arguing for Majlis supremacy would make more sense. It probably wouldn't argue for power to the people, either; more "power to the nobility and clergy." Limit the power of the monarch to prevent the nobles from enclosing the fields and kicking peasants off of what was once public land. Limit the monarch's power to interfere with noble abuse of their tenants. That sort of thing.
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Patter Song posted:I don't think that calling for the abolition of the monarchy immediately after appointing a new monarch is really believable. A Constitutionalist faction arguing for Majlis supremacy would make more sense. It probably wouldn't argue for power to the people, either; more "power to the nobility and clergy." He said power to the people, not power to the peasants
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Tax exemption! Tragedy of the commons! Estates-general! More wigs, More whigs!
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unwantedplatypus posted:He said power to the people, not power to the peasants Power to the merchants more like.
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WilliamAnderson posted:Power to the merchants more like. 
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Aug 5, 2017 14:41
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It works like this, see: first you get the land, then you get the power, then you get the money, then you lose everything to the glorious communist revolution.
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NewMars posted:It works like this, see: first you get the land, then you get the power, then you get the money, then you lose everything to the glorious communist revolution. You can't have a revolution of the proletariat if you don't first ensure the dominance of the bourgeoisie!
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I would be very disappointed with how things are turning out, except I already died for the true Sultan Utman. Can we start a Ghost Faction? 
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This is actually best case scenario for me, especially so if we become Shia. Ever since Sunni changed to having fav ratio instead of true faith, Shia has been the clear better choice. Though our religious unity would be total garbage, even with humanism.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:This is actually best case scenario for me, especially so if we become Shia. Ever since Sunni changed to having fav ratio instead of true faith, Shia has been the clear better choice. Though our religious unity would be total garbage, even with humanism. Plus then our sultan could declare himself the Shia Caliph in opposition to the Vakhtani Sunni Caliph, which would be a perfect bit of dualism particularly given our (admittedly embattled) state dedication to humanism and tolerance.
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Talas posted:Now that I think about it, Hashim should get a new avatar. Suggesting the Jizrunid Scream by Ralepozozaxe, in honor of the latest update. Especially with this new one. 
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Alright people, place your bets: Will Utman lose his member? I put money on Yes
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Alright people, place your bets: Will Utman lose his member? I'm gonna go out on a wild-card and say he gains one!
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So uh I must've accidentally closed the unread posts notification  E: The problem with any kind of internal development faction is that it's never going to get top billing without war powers. People will always vote for activity. And you can't just let them do whatever at rank 2 because then you have poo poo like rank 1 selecting Humanism and 2 pushing conversions anyway. Relatedly, I think any sort of neo-Ulema faction that can push conversion should be out, at least for awhile. A zealot sultan led a plurality of the clergy into triggering a decade long civil ear against our Tolerance By Policy for decades government, and our new sultan is himself a religious minority. The clergy's power should be rock fuckin bottom right now. E2: alternatively after poo poo's stabilized we could have a Constitutional draft session 
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The main reason to make an internal development faction is to keeping voting for internal stuff for a specific faction, and not something the Merchants or Nobles decide to do on the side, Dhimmi and whatnot would be firmly in the internal parties control. The merchants and Nobles could then focus on the things they are supposed to, making money and war respectively. Also, the Ulama are not going anywhere or losing any power, Hashim has said so. If you don't want them to convert, just make sure they aren't in first or second power place.
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I only want to see conversions because I want to see an LP about an unapologetically Muslim great power at least until the modern era, not about another halfhearted Islamic power more concerned with tolerance for minorities than commitment to the faith from start to finish. Wiz's Azerbaijan LP already did that. I was hoping to see something new. But it's all whatever since we're hitting the age of revolutions soon. Plenty of exciting, crazy poo poo are bound to happen.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Dhimmi and whatnot would be firmly in the internal parties control. The Dhimmi, without exception, sided with the Mad Sultan. We can no longer tolerate this viper at our breast, at all, not for one moment longer.
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AJ_Impy posted:The Dhimmi, without exception, sided with the Mad Sultan. We can no longer tolerate this viper at our breast, at all, not for one moment longer. No, some Dhimmi who have consistently antagonised by the forcibly conversions devised by you and your ilk, unfortunately revolted of their own accord. Do you really think they would have sided with him, you utter imbecile? They have risen against us because of fools like you who have been interfering in their lives, against the guidance of the Prophet himself! We must now at last accept the Dhimmi and encourage them to see themselves as Andalusians, not as a minority that is despised by their rulers. Never forget that a plurality of your faction joined with the Mad Sultan. By your own rhetoric, we should no longer tolerate you as a viper at our breast. On this, we are in agreement.
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Yvonmukluk posted:No, some Dhimmi who have consistently antagonised by the forcibly conversions devised by you and your ilk, unfortunately revolted of their own accord. Do you really think they would have sided with him, you utter imbecile? Enough lies when the truth is clear. Every single Dhimmi region rebelled against us. All of them. No exceptions. Look here upon the map:  That was not of their own accord for religious freedom, they joined with the Mad Sultan. They wilfully chose to try and destroy Al-Andalus under our guiding hand. they rebelled against us, against you, yet still you attack your allies in the fight. Your political manoeuvring disgusts me. We are on the same side. They rose up against us. Why do you insist on trying to twist this to match your hateful worldview?
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Yvonmukluk posted:No, some Dhimmi who have consistently antagonised by the forcibly conversions devised by you and your ilk, unfortunately revolted of their own accord You forget the conversions were because they massacred our people. They had their chance and blew it.
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The Dhimmi did rebel, yes, so did pretty much everyone else. Conversions have been a pretty bad way of stopping rebellions, really.
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Rodyle posted:Conversions have been a pretty bad way of stopping rebellions, really. Yeah but giving the French someone to fund for rebellions also doesn't help. Also shouldn't have chosen Humanism of all things.
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I want the Islamic power to lead the Enlightenment. And then either face steady reform as it becomes an increasingly constitutional monarchy or collapse utterly into bloody revolution. It's Fun(TM)!
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Nah. Mechanically Humanism is a great pick for our situation. We've simply been hosed by disasters and comical amounts of national unrest/instability. Humanism is strong as hell but the house being literally on fire is not something it can fix. Edit: Have we reached Humanist Tolerance in Humanism yet? I'm unclear on the exacts of our Idea Group progress. If not, Humanist Tolerance will do us a world of good. Captain Oblivious fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Aug 6, 2017 |
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Oh snap, I didn't know we had Zikri in one province. Must of been one of those Humanism random province conversion events.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Oh snap, I didn't know we had Zikri in one province. Must of been one of those Humanism random province conversion events. All the more reason to enforce religious unity.
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Yeah, there's no way in hell our Al Andalus is as tolerant as Azerbaijan was. We're probably not even as tolerant as the RL Ottoman Empire was, or even our predecessors, the Umayyad Caliphate. Our Ulema have managed to get close to dominating the Majlis a couple times, and they took full advantage of that, converting vast swathes of Leonese and Aragonese territory. Iberia used to be split 50-50 between the Muslims and Christians, but now Christianity is firmly a minority on the peninsula. And to add to that, we now have a Shia sultan, so tensions between the Sunni majority and Shia minority are going to skyrocket. These two sects don't exactly have a dazzling history of peaceful co-existence, and I doubt the Sunni masses are going to enjoy being ruled by a heretic.
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Ralepozozaxe posted:Oh snap, I didn't know we had Zikri in one province. Must of been one of those Humanism random province conversion events. Yep, and a couple provinces also flipped to Yazidi not long after that.
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Hashim posted:Yep, and a couple provinces also flipped to Yazidi not long after that. Wait, Yazidi? That's utterly bizarre.
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AJ_Impy posted:All the more reason to enforce religious unity. While I'm all for dealing with christians in our realm, the various versions of Islam must be allowed to prosper and flourish. For where do you think the various
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