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Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



lord flame is so loving incredibly good

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Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Why is Seraph still a LCS starter in 2017? Even Lira/Nisqy/Apollo can't carry his fat rear end.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


not that i think seraph is anything special but "not even nisqy can carry him" is extremely hilarious to me. not even an average rookie mid laner??? drat, dude most be a feeder

Unscientific
Feb 16, 2014
Cody stop, they're already dead!

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


rabidsquid posted:

not that i think seraph is anything special but "not even nisqy can carry him" is extremely hilarious to me. not even an average rookie mid laner??? drat, dude most be a feeder

Definitely think he is above average from what I've seen. He was really good vs Bjergsen last week. Which if you can do that you are probably not average.

Seraph is a straight up shitter. Looks like a random soloq toplaner who asks for last pick and feeds his lane.

RealFoxy
May 11, 2011

I'm not making a fucking QCS thread for this but seriously can we take a harder stance on Kiwifarms freaks like this guy, Jesus Christ seriously, you used to be better at knocking these creeps down. I guess ADTRW mods aren't responsible like GBS mods are.
I only assume Seraph is still around because he speaks Korean and doesn't use an import slot

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


seraph reminds me of kikis a bit, in that they tend to waste pick priority for a player who won't perform well enough to justify that. that's partially on the player but also definitely on the organization. i wouldn't waste top lane pick priority on smeb let alone seraph.

Sexpansion
Mar 22, 2003

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Make fun of me if you want, but I think imt wins against tsm in this meta.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Ulio posted:

Seraph is a straight up shitter. Looks like a random soloq toplaner who asks for last pick and feeds his lane.

It's a harsh assessment, but I think "shitter" is pretty accurate for a top lane LCS player in 2017 who, upon seeing the enemy team on blue side with Maokai, Lulu, and Kog doesn't instantly assume he's going to get camped by superleashed Xmithie. Didn't drop a ward, didn't play super defensive around the usual gank timings, nothing.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


Sexpansion posted:

Make fun of me if you want, but I think imt wins against tsm in this meta.

considering how much biofrost struggles with the roam around with the jungler meta i dont think its that nuts. he also kind of has a champion pool issue right now too. the current meta doesnt implicitly favor tsm and they seem like they've been slow to adapt to it in some ways. biofrost especially seems very slow to adapt to things. i wouldnt at all be surprised to see tsm draft some abomination of a comp with jungle grag and a varus/nami bot lane in a deciding playoff game and lose at champ select.

Sexpansion
Mar 22, 2003

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Also nerf taliyah and ori for the love of god

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



:siren: BIG DOG SELECTED :siren:

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Sexpansion posted:

Also nerf taliyah and ori for the love of god

Even though I abuse these champs in ranked. I totally agree. Playing in assassin meta is way more fun.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



darshan is loving harry houdini lmao

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


with how strong armor stacking is assassins arent gonna come back anytime soon, the mid pick priority right now is being heavily skewed by the jungle and ancient coin meta. if taliyah gets nerfed i expect she would be replaced by tf with roughly 85% efficiency, he's pretty close to being played as is

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Just some ridiculously good play out of Darshan and Huhi. Holding Shockwave that long looking for the perfect moment to combo is incredibly impressive.

Sexpansion
Mar 22, 2003

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Why did people stop playing lee? Tank meta?

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


lee just can't kill the tanks fast enough and they outscale him. hell maokai can probably level 2 gank faster and more successfully than he can

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



I genuinely think there's some ancient curse hovering over CLG where they automatically lose if aphromoo is forced to play any of Karma/Janna/Lulu/Soraka.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



did aphro just forget that you can, like, check brushes with karma Q or what

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Man keane is the definition of average. He has a good cassio and thats it. How is he losing in cs to a Taliyah who roamed twice? Huhi was ahead of him in cs all game as ori last game in same matchup.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Yeah, this game's over. Altec's several thousand gold ahead of Stixxay, Darshan can no longer fight Ssumday, and they once again drafted a comp with a single point of engage (Maokai). I have no idea why they keep putting together these comps that are 100% screwed if they fall behind in the early game.

Sexpansion
Mar 22, 2003

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Ulio posted:

Man keane is the definition of average. He has a good cassio and thats it. How is he losing in cs to a Taliyah who roamed twice? Huhi was ahead of him in cs all game as ori last game in same matchup.

He also just megawhiffed a shockwave.

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


keane broke into the league as an "anti-carry" as he was pretty good with very off meta counter picks, then other teams eventually figured out that you could just leave power picks up and he couldn't play them. this took much longer than it should have, but also recently i found out that a lot of teams don't bother to try and intentionally draft around the enemy team until like, deep playoff series so lmao

Sexpansion
Mar 22, 2003

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Keane is kind of a less good doinb. He's not terrible by any means, though, and apparently has a very good work ethic

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


i love doinb so im not gonna let that slide. doinb played off meta poo poo but like with actual purpose. full tank mid maokai is way better than mobi boots rush mid hecarim. also doinb is technically an assassin specialist, it's just that he doesn't necessarily always want to play the main carry.

also the last lb game i recall watching doinb play he built an iceborn gauntlet. keane could never.

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


rabidsquid posted:

i love doinb so im not gonna let that slide. doinb played off meta poo poo but like with actual purpose. full tank mid maokai is way better than mobi boots rush mid hecarim. also doinb is technically an assassin specialist, it's just that he doesn't necessarily always want to play the main carry.

also the last lb game i recall watching doinb play he built an iceborn gauntlet. keane could never.

Also Doinb is a legit god on some champions like Viktor/Leblanc/Kassadin. He is also amazing at teamfighting even though his laning phase is just meh(career achievement:lost lane to shipthur).

Him and Keane do have their odd picks but Keane has been basically a ori/cassio bot this year.

Anyway this meta is great for 0 skill junglers like OmarGod, Reignover.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



noted asol one trick huhi

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


Vermain posted:

noted asol one trick huhi

huhi is meh in lane but he has always been good in teamfights, some mechanical mistakes not withstanding.

Ulio
Feb 17, 2011


for all the hate huhi gets I think he is so much better than stixxay. he is better in teamfights, provides more pressure in lane n out of lane.

Stixxay had like 2 good games in msi 2016 and people thinks he is world class adc. This guy regularly is behind in cs despite laning with aphro.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



why do they EVER put aphro on loving karma or janna, jesus christ

rabidsquid
Oct 11, 2004

LOVES THE KOG


considering how loving strong engage is with the coin right now i wonder why they dont have aphro exclusively spamming taric/thresh/rakan

Sexpansion
Mar 22, 2003

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rabidsquid posted:

considering how loving strong engage is with the coin right now i wonder why they dont have aphro exclusively spamming taric/thresh/rakan

Or loving Alistair

Also just to be precise, I did say Keane is a worse version of doinb.

Smol
Jun 1, 2011

Stat rosa pristina nomine, nomina nuda tenemus.
29 minute first blood. It's a Jin Air game all right.

Aumanor
Nov 9, 2012
Is this the point where someone posts sadplane.jpg?

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Aumanor posted:

Is this the point where someone posts sadplane.jpg?

Is there ever a point where you shouldn't?

Action George
Apr 13, 2013
Hylissang has built an ardent censer on support Trundle. That seems like a well balanced item.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



Crazy Larry posted:

Hylissang has built an ardent censer on support Trundle. That seems like a well balanced item.

Like I said in the main thread, I wouldn't be surprised to see it changed around in some way in preseason. I like the idea behind it, but it's so goofily gold efficient on the major shielding supports, and especially on anyone who can apply the shield to multiple targets.

Vermain
Sep 5, 2006



I know this is kind of a tough patch for banning phase, but you're probably asking for a loss if you're red side and don't first rotation ban Cho'Gath.

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Monicro
Oct 21, 2010

And you could feel his features in the air
A wide smile and perfect hair
He had complete control of the rising tides
And a medicine bag hanging at his side

In the flowing blue world of the death-dealing physician

Vermain posted:

Like I said in the main thread, I wouldn't be surprised to see it changed around in some way in preseason. I like the idea behind it, but it's so goofily gold efficient on the major shielding supports, and especially on anyone who can apply the shield to multiple targets.

According to the casters the lifesteal from stoneborn pact can apparently proc it, which, lol

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