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Albino Squirrel posted:Ahhhh poo poo the guys in the 1998 draft are my age. Now I feel old as balls. Once I started looking up guys for the SAS Fantasy Draft and looking at their birthdays that were the same year as mine and instantly going "gently caress he's too old" I felt permanently and hopelessly Old. 
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chychrun had knee surgery and the coyotes aren't saying anything about it. i dunnoAlbino Squirrel posted:Ahhhh poo poo the guys in the 1998 draft are my age. Now I feel old as balls. You can probably play in the olympics though
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Aug 4, 2017 05:03
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It was worse when Jason Giambi retired, he was the last active Big Four player to be drafted in the 80s
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Albino Squirrel posted:Ahhhh poo poo the guys in the 1998 draft are my age. Now I feel old as balls. you can only go play in Europe now, sorry
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I dunno, I don't have too much trouble reading those charts/graphs. I like having the info visualized like that.
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Aug 4, 2017 12:26
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The true end of an era will come when the last player caricatured in a "mutant league" game retires. (I'm pretty sure its Jagr)
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https://twitter.com/ArashMadani/status/893251406676852740
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Aug 4, 2017 14:44
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Chelios is going to be on the US Olympic team coaching staff. I joke, but I can't help but like the idea of putting the band back together since NHLers won't be going. Grizzled vets coming out of retirement and playing with young bucks has a certain dramatic appeal.
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Aug 4, 2017 18:52
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The olympics is going to be a poo poo show and Bettman is going to be smug as gently caress about it, blissfully ignoring it would rate better if the league went. Granted the olympics do nothing for the NHL so he's not wrong to do this.
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https://www.facebook.com/nyrangers/videos/10155060253089858/ Zucc is the goddamn best 
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Schremp Howard posted:Granted the olympics do nothing for the NHL
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They provide plenty of intangibles.
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Schremp Howard posted:Granted the olympics do nothing for the NHL so he's not wrong to do this. Yeah, uh, USA v Canada a few years ago was insane and got a lot of people I know into hockey. At the very least, they watch the playoffs now.
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There are zero metrics that support the Olympics benefitting the NHL. Attendance doesn't go up. Ratings don't go up. Merch sales don't go up. It's not even a correlation, let alone causation.
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ElwoodCuse posted:There are zero metrics that support the Olympics benefitting the NHL. Attendance doesn't go up. Ratings don't go up. Merch sales don't go up. It's not even a correlation, let alone causation. Depends if you ask the NHL then http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/news/news-singleview/?tx_ttnews%5Btt_news%5D=4316&cHash=2ef3232e7ee863027c963b45b503b997 or now. They sure said it did in 2010.
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Aug 4, 2017 21:59
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Yeah, imma jump on the anecdote train and say I know multiple people that got into hockey because of the Olympics; specifically Canada USA matchups. Also, the Stars signed that brother of that cool Olympian chick to a year and some money.
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JoelJoel posted:Yeah, imma jump on the anecdote train and say I know multiple people that got into hockey because of the Olympics; specifically Canada USA matchups. As stated elsewhere: https://twitter.com/doomocrat/status/893549376970174464 Not again, god DAMMIT.
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hifi posted:chychrun had knee surgery and the coyotes aren't saying anything about it. i dunno https://twitter.com/j_chychrun7/sta...p%3Ft%3D2377023
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JoelJoel posted:Yeah, imma jump on the anecdote train and say I know multiple people that got into hockey because of the Olympics; specifically Canada USA matchups. Then tell those freeloaders to buy stuff.
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Aug 4, 2017 23:09
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I'll cheer for whichever player that gives Bettman the finger and goes to Pyeongchang anyway.
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They already talked about bullying the IIHF into banning teams from selecting anyone with an NHL deal.
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What would they threaten them with? Pulling out of the World Championships?
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The IIHF is also in charge of Olympic hockey.
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Aphrodite posted:The IIHF is also in charge of Olympic hockey. Yeah, but the question is what will the NHL do to bully them?
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If the players wanted to go so badly they would have taken the NHL's offer to suspend the regular season for it again. No one is being a rebel and going. No one is being the cool owner and saying it's OK for my guys to skip out anyway. No one who doesn't already love hockey a real lot is going to tune in at 7 am and get hooked on the sport.
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The real test will be if Ovechkin decides to go and tells the NHL to gently caress off
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ElwoodCuse posted:If the players wanted to go so badly they would have taken the NHL's offer to suspend the regular season for it again. Also possible the NHLPA didn't represent everyone's opinions when it made the decision to screw the Olympics and push for a better deal overall. ElwoodCuse posted:No one is being a rebel and going. No American or Canadian will go, but that's because the NHL has them on choke-chains and you know they can't. Russia, Sweden, Czech Republic? These guys know this is literally their best chance to win Olympic Gold. I could 100% see someone from those countries saying "gently caress it, I'll take the [couple game suspension/fine/combination of both]". ElwoodCuse posted:No one is being the cool owner and saying it's OK for my guys to skip out anyway. I could see some of the Owners looking for ways to make it happen and minimise the potential fall-out should it happen. For example: if I'm Ted Leonsis and Brian MacLellan I'm talking to Ovie and I'm just taking a quick take of how bad he wants to go and how bad it's gonna be if he goes. If it's less than a 5 game suspension and he's willing to pay any financial penalty, I'm probably going to let him go rather than deal with a mopey, pissed off Ovie. ElwoodCuse posted:No one who doesn't already love hockey a real lot is going to tune in at 7 am and get hooked on the sport. Yeah because Korea and China are definitely places the NHL doesn't want to have like the sport. Quick question: when Manchester United plays games in Shanghai, you think they're doing it out of the goodness of their heart to grow the game? Schlesische fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Aug 5, 2017 |
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I would bank that Ovie is gonna miss games either because he goes and plays somehow or as a protest. He's said so forever and Leonsis has backed him, though the league would probably step in to stop/punish owners doing that.
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I predict Ovie is injured in the week leading up to the Olympics and thus dodges the situation entirely.
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yeah and never before seen player Alexander Velikiy will carry team russia to olympic gold
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Schlesische posted:Yeah because Korea and China are definitely places the NHL doesn't want to have like the sport. There's a difference between playing one or two games as part of an already international league tournament and shutting down your league for three weeks in the middle of its season to let star players represent their country. The NHL would be totally fine with playing two games in Pyeongchang or another place they want to grow the game (as they have done in the past) if they had more control over the marketing/advertising/anything after the games are done.
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I watched FIN/SWE at 7 AM in a University of Chicago house common room with a cantonese exchange student. Game growing through the olympics, hey all right. The "We'll let you go if you give up" stuff is classic lockout era push-pull stuff. There is no reason not to be a player's first guy in 2017 unless you're greedy or thick headed. The NHL is more than willing to go IT'S GREAT LOOK HOW THIS HELPS when they go. Don't be a dope.
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Matt Zerella posted:Yeah, uh, USA v Canada a few years ago was insane and got a lot of people I know into hockey. At the very least, they watch the playoffs now. I saw Facebook statuses about the USA/Russia game where Oshie scored like 5 shootout goals from people who had little or no interest in hockey.
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Let's be completely real here: the NHL owners are barring the players from participating as a potential bargaining chip come next CBA. Nothing more, nothing less.
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The location where the games are held doesn't really matter all that much. People around the globe watch whether it's in their country or not. It's a negotiating tactic and nothing more. I very much agree with that.
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Everything we see here though is anecdotal or snapshot moments of people watching a singular event. There's no telling if the people who watched Oshie score or watched a random game go on to be NHL fans, and the league doesn't have the evidence to suggest that they do. The fact that they can't capitalize on those moments may be the league's own fault, but it's hard to argue with their standpoint of not wanting to shut down the league for three weeks and not get any monetary benefit from it. I'd love it if the players went because it's a tournament with most of the best players all caring about the outcome and playing intense hockey. The NHL is insane if they think they can get players to care about a World Cup to replace the olympics. But when looking at it from ownerships perspective and not the lens of a fan, passing on the olympics makes plenty of sense.
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Well the logic is pretty simple: if you put NHL players in the olympics you may get new hockey fans, may not. If you keep them out of the olympics you 100% won't get new fans. This is a fundamental concept of marketing, if you're not out there showing off your product you're not gonna sell anything.
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Hey, the league doesn't have evidence head hits lead to CTE so we might as well not worry about it
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Jonathan Fisk posted:Hey, the league doesn't have evidence head hits lead to CTE so we might as well not worry about it They don't have any evidence that heads hitting the boards can cause a concussion either. Only the ice, elbows, and shoulders can.
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