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ihatepants posted:What's the story behind this? I mean most of the people I know would still rather have Uber available than have to rely on taxis in Manila. I hated taxis there as well when I was living there. I can't even count the number of times a taxi driver would ask where I was going then pull away because he didn't want to go in whatever direction I was going. I also thought Kalanick isn't a CEO of Uber anymore. Around 2014 or so, we started getting taxi-hailing apps in the Philippines: the two big names were GrabTaxi and EasyTaxi. Without going into the details, GrabTaxi eventually became the dominant app between the two. By 2015, Uber entered the Philippine market, which then prompted GrabTaxi to also include a "ride-sharing service" with civilian-driven private cars, and just become known as "Grab". During the Aquino administration, the LTFRB (Land Transportation and Franchise Regulatory Board) created a new regulatory classification for these ride-sharing services, calling them TNVS, or Transport Network Vehicle Service. The basic framework was that the companies had to be accredited with the LTFRB, and then the individual drivers would also have to be registered. By July 2016, as the new Duterte administration appointees to the LTFRB took their posts, they stopped issuing licenses to new drivers. It's not entirely clear why they did this, but from what I can tell, it's because this new LTFRB has a different view on the level of regulation that should be exerted upon TNVS's: * The Aquino-era LTFRB was, in rare keeping with the professed ideology of the Liberal Party, composed mainly of free-market technocrats that were willing to give TNVS's a lot of leeway * On the flipside, taxi companies tried to file restraining orders against the operations of TNVS's, claiming they were moving in on their territory and should be classified as taxis. This was struck down by the courts * The Duterte-era LTFRB seems to want a middle-ground, where they're looking for regulations on things like accident accountability, guaranteed insurance coverage, transparency of fare computation, and prohibition of "fleet" operations (someone buys five cars and hires drivers solely for the purpose of enrolling them all in Uber and taking a cut) The LTFRB wasn't getting anywhere with getting TNVS's to submit position papers and proposals on these points, so apparently they used that as a pretext to halt issuing registrations. BUT they didn't actually do anything to stop the TNVS's from taking-on new drivers anyway, so if you use Uber/Grab nowadays, they'll almost always have a little note saying "registration pending", meaning the company already submitted that driver's application to the LTFRB, but the LTFRB hasn't processed it yet. This came to a head in early July 2017, when the registration of Grab/Uber themselves, as whole companies, was set to expire. First, the LTFRB told them to stop registering new drivers. Then, they fined both companies 5 million pesos each, as a penalty for allowing thousands of their drivers to operate without proper registration (both companies promptly paid the penalty). And then, they issued an order saying that by July 21 2017, they would start issuing traffic violations against anyone who was operating as a Grab/Uber driver without proper registration (akin to operating a public bus without a proper franchise). This set off a firestorm on social media - because, of course, the people most affected by the loss of access to TNVS's are people who are active on the internet, and largely over the same points you're making: public transportation is so loving bad in the Philippines, and taxis are so loving bad in the Philippines, that we need Grab/Uber in order to have a decent form of point-to-point transportation. We essentially got a media and ad blitz trying to portray the LTFRB as wanting to "destroy" Grab/Uber, with such ill feelings exacerbated by trying to tie this back to liberals's dislike of the Duterte administration as a whole. Something like a week before the LTFRB's set deadline on issuing violations, they had a meeting with Grab/Uber, and came to an agreement to suspend the deadline in exchange for Grab/Uber coming to the table for negotiations regarding the imposition of regulations on them. Over the last two weeks, there have been Senate hearings on these, and there has also been legislation filed in the Senate to create a stronger regulatory framework for TNVS's. It's unclear what, if anything, will come out of the discussions. . My personal gripe is that while I understand the underlying context in which Grab/Uber operate in relation to Philippine taxis and Philippine public transportation as a whole, while I myself use Grab/Uber on a near-daily basis, I don't think that's an excuse to allow them to operate with a libertarian-preferred level of oversight. To elaborate, one of the House bills filed in response to this current situation would require that TNVS's be subjected to the following regulations: quote:mandates that the LTFRB issue a 2-year, renewable permit to a "Transportation Network Company" before they be allowed to operate This, to me, seems like a perfectly reasonable framework that guarantees a minimum level of safety and service from TNVS's without going as far as, say, Denmark straight-up classifying Ubers as taxis and requiring them to carry taxi meters, which caused Uber to pull out entirely. But at the same time, The Discourse is so poisoned by allegations and accusations of the LTFRB being in the pocket of "taxi lobbyists" and that their real goal is to shutdown Grab/Uber, that this isn't a good faith negotiation. People distrust the government so much that, for some, they'd much rather Grab/Uber not be regulated at all.
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# ? May 28, 2024 07:24 |
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Yeah, my main method of commute during my last job was a taxi in the morning and a taxi after an LRT ride if I couldn't catch the office shuttle. Taxis here loving suck and I'd rather take the additional cost from Uber than sit in a line and hope that the next driver isn't a picky rear end in a top hat. That said, you'd think Filipinos would be more discerning of unregulated corporations holding a death grip on every aspect of their life considering the massive mono/duopolies actively doing so, but I guess America rubbed off on us a lot more than we thought.
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# ? Aug 6, 2017 11:09 |
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The Philippine News Agency ran this editorial: Oh hey, what's that at the bottom: Turns out, this editorial is straight from the Xinhua News Agency: http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-08/06/c_136503025.htm They've since taken the page down, but I was able to archive it beforehand: http://archive.is/3sMtc
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 04:42 |
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I have several friends who voted Duterte because they said he'd show China who's boss. They're the kind of guys who post "brace yourselves, the enemy is coming" when sharing articles about China. They're strangely silent with their cheerleading now. Now, I know most of y'all have your hands full with Donald at the moment, but why not take a break from your misery and enjoy some of ours: http://www.rappler.com/nation/178968-duterte-probe-shoot-human-rights-advocates quote:MANILA, Philippines – Amid criticism of his drug war from human rights groups, President Rodrigo Duterte said he might just order police to shoot them so they would know what real human rights violations are like. https://ca.reuters.com/article/topNews/idCAKCN1AW0ZL-OCATP quote:MANILA (Reuters) - Philippine police killed 32 people in dozens of anti-drug operations in a province north of the capital, Manila, in the single deadliest day of President Rodrigo Duterte's unrelenting war on drugs.
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# ? Aug 16, 2017 16:01 |
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Cops kill ‘pistol-packing’ Grade 11 kidquote:Kian “Ian” Loyd , a Grade 11 student from Our Lady of Mount Carmel school in Caloocan City, could not even sleep alone because he was afraid of the dark, according to his father. So how, Zaldy delos Santos wondered, could his 17-year-old son have mustered the courage to shoot a policeman? Killing of teenager in Caloocan anti-drug ops ‘isolated,’ says Palace quote:Malacañang on Friday described as “isolated” the killing of a 17-year-old high school student during an anti-drug operation in Caloocan City. I hate this loving country so goddamn much.
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# ? Aug 18, 2017 13:49 |
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Drug raids toll hits 81 in 4 daysquote:The death toll for this week now stands at 81 as Metro Manila Northern Police District (NPD) conducted their own anti-drug and anti-criminality operation from the afternoon of Thursday, August 17 to early morning of Friday, August 18.
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# ? Aug 19, 2017 02:25 |
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Duterte encourages police to kill those resisting arrest Given that this was after a protest at Kian Loyd's funeral, at a speech about the police forces killing a mayor, this sounds a lot like him giving carte blanche to murder his opposition.
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# ? Aug 28, 2017 17:52 |
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Update on the Uber situation: In the first week of August, there were hearings between the LTFRB and Uber regarding an investigation that the LTFRB launched about how Uber apparently violated the LTFRB's order in July to not accept any more drivers. During the hearings, it came out that Uber was advertising that they were still "accepting" new driver applications, but they claimed they weren't "activating" them. As it turns out, there were something like three drivers applicants in July that the LTFRB was monitoring, and Uber admitted that they were "activated", as in they could be hailed for rides and take on passengers. The LTFRB considered this a violation of their order, and on Aug 15, they completely suspended Uber's operations. Included in the suspension order was a request for Uber to provide financial assistance to its drivers. Uber did start doing this, offering anywhere between 150.00 PHP (~3.00 USD) to 1200.00 PHP (~23.00 USD) per day, per driver. Later that week, the LTFRB released another resolution, allowing Uber drivers to "switch" to the Grab company for the duration of the suspension. Also later that week, Uber asked the LTFRB to fine them instead, to the tune of 10 million PHP (on top of the 5 million PHP that they already previously paid in July for their "colorum" operations). On Fri, Aug 25, the LTFRB announced that the fine was instead set at 190 million PHP, or about 3.7 million USD. The announcement was made late in the afternoon, and Monday was a holiday, so Uber was only able to pay-up earlier today. Uber was able to come back to normal operations as of 5:00 PM local time this Tue, Apr 29. On top of the 190 million PHP they paid out to the national coffers, they also some 299.2 million PHP (5.86 million USD) in "financial aid" payouts to their drivers. Had they not paid, the suspension would have lasted another 14 days.
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# ? Aug 29, 2017 16:18 |
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So it feels like the plan here is to kill everyone.
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# ? Aug 29, 2017 23:14 |
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Office Pig posted:So it feels like the plan here is to kill everyone. First off, yes. Secondly, this is the kind of thing that tries to provide cover for Duterte: A classic instance of Western media spin quote:I SPILLED my coffee watching CNN’s 8 a.m. news, when its ticker tape flashed: “Duterte orders police to kill those resisting arrest, followed by “Duterte: Kill the idiots.”
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 03:15 |
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I knew who the author would be before I even clicked that. In fact I typed this paragraph out in full before the page loaded to show the author's name. The best part is that my Duterte-loving friends keep linking his articles and remarking that it's refreshing to finally read an unbiased article. Yes, the guy who has an article whose first three words are "The Yellow cult" is clearly the neutral savior of the news that we deserve.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 05:03 |
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Talk about moving the goal posts. Not denying Doots said "kill those idiots" but instead defending how he said it
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 06:16 |
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Strictly speaking from the context of firearms training, he's not wrong - doesn't matter whether you're military, law enforcement, or a private gun owner - if you're going to shoot at someone, shoot to kill. That said, with Duterte's record so far this reads like an attempt to plaster veneer over what's already happened in his...what do we even call it now? War on drugs? Because it sure as poo poo seems like he's waging one. Note: I'm not making an excuse for what's going on in the Philippines under Duterte, I've never been. Just pointing out that one single point of his article is accurate, despite the rest of it being a clear effort to provide cover for Duterte. Before anyone jumps on my post for that poo poo.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 07:18 |
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Tiglao is technically not wrong when he says that of course you can't/shouldn't expect the police to only shoot-to-disable, but he's being disingenuous because: 1. Duterte does believe in shoot-to-disable, under the right circumstances: quote:“Now, let us be clear on this…I said I would protect those who are doing their duty. I never promised to protect those who are supposedly engaged in doing their duty but committing a crime in the process – abuses. That cannot be done,” the President said. 2. Duterte has previously instructed the police to just plant guns on drug suspects to give the impression of a righteous shoot against someone who was resisting arrest: quote:In a speech yesterday, the President indicated that he had given instructions to plant guns to show that drug suspects resisted arrest. Police have described those who resist as “nanlaban,” [translates to "someone who fought back] most of whom have been shot dead. 3. and this leads us to today, where the police claimed that Kian de los Santos, the slain 17-year-old, was armed and shot back at them during their raid, necessitating the fatal shooting, only for his gunshot residue test to come back negative, along with the gun having been found in his non-dominant hand.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 07:43 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:Tiglao is technically not wrong when he says that of course you can't/shouldn't expect the police to only shoot-to-disable, but he's being disingenuous because: 1. Duterte is flat out disagreeing with training methods for most LEO organizations. They generally adhere to some sort of a force continuum model that specifically describes what type of force to use and when. I can't speak to the Philippines, but this is widespread elsewhere. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Use_of_force_continuum Simply put, if the officer does not feel like his life is in danger, he (generally) shouldn't engage with lethal force. It varies widely in how it's applied, and again I can't speak to the Philippines but it's a good general guideline. 2. He's advocating corruption, don't think you're going to see me defend this. 3. And this is why. Again, I'm not arguing for anything Duterte advocates - the dude is terrifying and I've got friends planning to go to the Philippines next year. I'm a little nervous on their behalf. Just pointing out that a strict "shoot to kill" directive is not out of line for most law enforcement organizations (though they'd probably call it "shoot to incapacitate" or "shoot until there is no more threat" because that sounds better in the press). I can't loving believe the dude said "shoot them in the hand"....that's an impossible shot in the heat of the moment, jesus.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 08:01 |
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Yeah I want to make it clear that I completely understand what you're saying, Shooting Blanks. Tiglao is technically correct about the whole shoot-to-kill, center-mass thing, and pointing that out isn't "defending Duterte". I was just adding more context as to why Duterte's rhetoric (that turns into official policy) ends up being monstrous anyway.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 08:14 |
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From an outsider observer POV, it seems like ya'll live in a dystopian hellscape. Seriously. Duterte sounds more like Palpatine or Sauron than your standard evil despot. I can understand disappearing a a journalist, but at this point your police forces are just openly slaughtering poor children like animals. What's the point? What goal does killing the poor accomplish besides more "blood for the blood god?"
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 18:32 |
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the black husserl posted:From an outsider observer POV, it seems like ya'll live in a dystopian hellscape. It's a method to show control, essentially. Every so often, the populace needs to be reminded that the person in charge is 100% in charge.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 18:46 |
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"tough on crime" I'd post more about some of the characteristics of the Filipino electorate i observed from when I lived there (Gloria years) but going over it in my mind it feels really paternalistic and condescending.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 18:47 |
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Scaramouche posted:"tough on crime" As much as Filipinos value education as a virtue, they're not the brightest electorate from my understanding and experience. For most people in the Philippines, there are several dozen more pressing problems in their lives and politics sorta falls by the wayside. Being politically informed even moreso. As a result, only the young who are in school and those wealthy enough to not have many things to worry about can really understand what's going on in politics and those with wealth can actually influence it regularly. To add to that, nepotism is a very powerful force since the people in positions to exercise it generally have enough leverage to ensure that there's no criticism of it. It's like taking the American system of politics and governance and then dialing up the income inequality and then taken to its logical conclusion.
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# ? Aug 30, 2017 22:27 |
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the black husserl posted:From an outsider observer POV, it seems like ya'll live in a dystopian hellscape. They're all being tagged as drug users and drug pushers. Like, the official story about this 17-year-old is that he was a drug runner/drug courier, which is why he needed to be arrested, and then he fired at the police, which is why he needed to be shot. Duterte's entire campaign was based around creating this narrative that the Philippines is a drug-infested shithole, and that only he can fix it, and that it can only be fixed by killing all the druggies. Remove the druggies, and the security situation improves. Improve the security situation, and the economy improves. Improve the economy, and everyone prospers. Destroy the drug industry, and you get rid of all the corruption, since all government kickbacks and bribes actually come from drug lords trying to grease the wheels. In a sense, the Philippines does not have any strong ethnic divisions to exploit, and Communism is too small of a niche, so Duterte created "druggies" as the new fascist outgroup to prosecute and scapegoat, and it's extra-effective this time because it's already illegal and already generally accepted as a blight on society. They're nor nearly as defensible as Jews or African-Americans or immigrants. Any time you try to generate sympathy for them, the comeback is "but what about all the people who have been murdered and/or raped by violent drug addicts?" The problem is that the economy is kinda doing well right now, and while something like 13 000 people have been killed, they're all a mix of the poorest of the poor and actually-guilty druggies, so a lot of Filipinos either aren't aware, or are still capable of conjuring up rationalizations and ignorance. We also don't have a left-wing contingent to our politics here similar to Corbyn or Sanders. The opposition are all liberals/centrists, and all their policy positions hinge around being opposed to Duterte rather than offering a better alternative themselves. Any leftist that tries to break into mainstream politics gets tarred-and-feathered with a label of being a Maoist infiltrator whose real goal is the overthrow of the government and the establishment of a leftist, Stalinist state. And some more heinous poo poo is in the works: there's a tax reform package in the Senate that's going to drop the corporate tax rate and the estate tax, while cranking up consumption taxes. The supposed progressive trade-off is that the lowest tax bracket is going to be zeroed-out completely, but it's unlikely that the masses will really see a benefit after cost-of-living goes up in reaction. Congress is also planning to run a plebiscite for Duterte's Federalism plan in 2018, which would drastically alter the Constitution and split up the country into semi-autonomous states. The kicker is that the current head of the elections commission (appointed by Aquino and slated to serve until 2024) is involved in a corruption scandal which may lead to his impeachment ... which opens up the door for Duterte to hand-pick a new commissioner to run the plebiscite. It's also entirely possible that Duterte is also unhinged on top of all this: * President Duterte says that the Revised Penal Code is based on Spanish laws. * [Our] Revised Penal Code is retribution. Eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. That's the basic law of the jungle. * [If you committed the sin of murder, you will pay for it with your life] * President Duterte says that US and Canadian penal laws are based on positivist theory, where criminals are still eligible for rehabilitation * President Duterte says that the concept of making useful human being out of criminals when they go out of prison, has been debunked * President Duterte: [Truly] I will tell you the psychology of the [convict] * President Duterte says that it is fruitless to make a person who was incarcerated for 6-20 years into a productive member of society. * President Duterte says that freed prisoners do not really want to be free, adds that they have "lost the essence, the existence of a person." * President Duterte says that they will just drink and gamble and will happily be imprisoned once more. They can no longer be productive. * President Duterte on prisoners: Most of them, let me be frank with you. They have lost entirely their gender identity. * President Duterte says that prisoners, even the women, develop latent homosexuality. "You can no longer rehabilitate them, give them jobs." * President Duterte on prisoners: They are incapable of establishing a relationship with a woman. * President Duterte says that he knows this because he has been a prosecutor for a long time, almost 9 years. * President Duterte says prisoners no longer want freedom because of the free food and their homosexual lovers wants them there. * President Duterte said that because of their latent homosexuality and incapability, prisoners are already monsters in a sense. * President Duterte challenged TESDA crowd to give examples of rehabilitated ex-convicts. * President Duterte says that some long-term prisoners began exhibiting signs of masochism. * President Duterte said that the EU and France just don't understand because the country's criminal code is the Kodigo Penal of the Spaniards
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# ? Aug 31, 2017 05:08 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:* President Duterte said that because of their latent homosexuality and incapability, prisoners are already monsters in a sense. Boy is he in for a surprise when he reaches the last page of this book he's writing
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# ? Aug 31, 2017 06:22 |
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gradenko_2000 posted:We also don't have a left-wing contingent to our politics here similar to Corbyn or Sanders. The opposition are all liberals/centrists, and all their policy positions hinge around being opposed to Duterte rather than offering a better alternative themselves. Any leftist that tries to break into mainstream politics gets tarred-and-feathered with a label of being a Maoist infiltrator whose real goal is the overthrow of the government and the establishment of a leftist, Stalinist state. The following is an example of the rough equivalent of SNL hosts warning Americans against antifa and Berniebros: https://twitter.com/SuperficialGZT/status/903219827275206657 https://twitter.com/SuperficialGZT/status/903220897447796736 and a counterargument from the small left contingent that's fed up with liberal red-baiting https://twitter.com/immanuellakant/status/903268749549092864 https://twitter.com/immanuellakant/status/864422985066627074 (if you read any of this and want more information/translation, I'd be happy to help)
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# ? Aug 31, 2017 16:32 |
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Cool congress just voted 119-32 in favor of cutting the 2018 budget of the Commission on Human Rights to 1000 PhP. That's roughly 20 USD, which means my forums account is literally worth more than the whole CHR.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 11:37 |
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Argue posted:Cool congress just voted 119-32 in favor of cutting the 2018 budget of the Commission on Human Rights to 1000 PhP. That's roughly 20 USD, which means my forums account is literally worth more than the whole CHR. What the loving gently caress, our lawmakers really need to be first on the chopping block.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 11:41 |
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Argue posted:my forums account is literally worth more than the whole CHR. goon project!
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 11:46 |
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Debate and Discussion > The Philippines: my forum account is literally worth more than our human rights
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 11:48 |
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Cannot believe this Aguirre texting scandal. I'm absolutely dumbfounded by how bumbling some of these guys can be and still get away with it, it's honestly amazing.
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# ? Sep 12, 2017 13:25 |
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They still did it anyway. http://www.philstar.com/headlines/2017/09/25/1742511/hontiveros-accused-wiretapping-kidnapping-ombudsman quote:MANILA, Philippines (Update 4, Sept. 26 9:57 a.m.) — Sen. Risa Hontiveros is now facing multiple criminal complaints of "harboring" underage witnesses and exposing a text message from Justice Secretary Vitaliano Aguirre. StriderVM fucked around with this message at 07:24 on Sep 27, 2017 |
# ? Sep 27, 2017 07:22 |
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That article pretty much sums it up. That Jing Paras person was the same one that Aguirre was texting in the exchange that Hontiveros revealed, and the VACC have been behind pretty much every single (attempted) legal take-down of opposition figures. VACC is pretty much a front for Duterte.
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# ? Sep 27, 2017 08:03 |
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http://www.interaksyon.com/doj-chief-aguirre-helps-launch-citizen-national-guard-vs-yellowtards-and-other-enemies-of-the-state/ posted:MANILA, Philippines — Two top Justice officials have signified their support to a newly formed group, the Citizen National Guard, that seeks to battle "yellowtards" among other "enemies of the state." I can't believe the government is supporting an organization that used the word "yellowtards" in a slide. It's just a few more steps before we formally become enemies of the state, guys!
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 12:51 |
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Buried lede #1: PAO chief Persida Acosta was in that meeting, which makes me super-not-confident about the chances of the recent high-profile extra-judicial killing cases actually going anywhere. Buried lede #2: the Philippines has its own society for LaRouchites
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 12:57 |
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What's a yellowtard
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# ? Oct 3, 2017 19:21 |
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Squalid posted:What's a yellowtard Proof that the internet was a mistake.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 05:02 |
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Squalid posted:What's a yellowtard The Liberal Party of 2010 to 2016 President Benigno Aquino and 2016 Presidential candidate Mar Roxas uses yellow as their party color. It's like saying DemonRAT or DemoCRAPS when referring to a liberal/Democratic voter.
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 05:07 |
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When I read about Duterte and then ponder Marcos I sometimes think: maybe we should have just left the Philippines in the greater Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere. I mean, totally unfair of me to say that since we Americans were the Philippines colonial overlords, but seriously wtf?
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# ? Oct 4, 2017 15:07 |
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Cool, PLDT has blocked Pornhub because the government ordered it blocked as per the Cybercrime act--apparently they think Pornhub is a bastion of cp. This is probably enough precedent to start blocking "enemies of the state" next, right? https://twitter.com/PLDT_Cares/status/916302249109766149 And are you loving kidding me with this response: https://twitter.com/PLDT_Cares/status/916484322999205890 https://twitter.com/PLDT_Cares/status/916484373741891584 https://twitter.com/PLDT_Cares/status/916484416561483776 My guess is that this will probably stick; I mean, who wants to be the one that goes to bat for Pornhub then gets branded by Duterte as a pedophile, complete with some very fanciful interpretation of evidence that "proves" he's a child molester. He's accused people of that in the past, so this is an actual possibility! Argue fucked around with this message at 08:45 on Oct 7, 2017 |
# ? Oct 7, 2017 08:31 |
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What sucks is that pornhub is popular enough that it's curated to all hell. It's the LAST place you'd expect CP to show up because that poo poo gets policed constantly. Blocking access to it just drives people to seedier sections of the internet. It also underscores the incompetence of the government.
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# ? Oct 7, 2017 09:37 |
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Are any of you guys still living in the Philippines at this point? Because if so get out jesus christ
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# ? May 28, 2024 07:24 |
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My cousin is going back to visit for a few weeks with their two year old to meet the family. I think they're going straight to the provinces; is it really bad up there as well?
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# ? Oct 7, 2017 17:14 |