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Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Top City Homo posted:

Just got banned from discord in a debate between anarchokiddies about Mao. Telling people he was good is wrong think

I called the mod a liberal and peaced out :smug: really made me think

1. Never d&d
2. Read more
3. Heh

wow that's really impressive you must have a really great life

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jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

im in a room with 1000 other socialists right now

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES

jarofpiss posted:

im in a room with 1000 other socialists right now

How many are revisionists

Jizz Festival
Oct 30, 2012
Lipstick Apathy

Larry Parrish posted:

Y'all get caught up in arguments about theory like the transition from capitalism to communism and beyond is some kind of set process and not an organic thing that will have to be built as you go along, like literally every other human social structure besides the tribe or clan

Just because it's organic doesn't mean that people won't be making decisions, and these same arguments about how best to run things will come up again. I'm just pushing for the option (central planning) that I perceive has the capacity to most improve the lives of people by minimizing the amount of work we all have to do.

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

the most important issue facing american socialists right now is your opinion on hoxha

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

GalacticAcid posted:

How many are revisionists

we just had a speaker that finally supported my position of "never ever going to read a book and you cant make me"

Ruzihm
Aug 11, 2010

Group up and push mid, proletariat!


jarofpiss posted:

we just had a speaker that finally supported my position of "never ever going to read a book and you cant make me"

not even manga? http://redquillbooks.com/portfolio-posts/capital-manga/

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

jarofpiss posted:

im in a room with 1000 other socialists right now

all these revisionists... so few ice picks...

jarofpiss
May 16, 2009

reform this! *grabs crotch*

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Fallen Hamprince posted:

wow that's really impressive you must have a really great life

That's the joke

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


live from chicago:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c13q2wYZr_0

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981


wow they even got trotsky, incredible

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

https://twitter.com/drewtoothpaste/status/893535281940508674

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

Top City Homo posted:

That's the joke

when i get into arguments with anarchists on discord it's because they're 19 and start threatening to kill anyone who wants to form a picket line

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

when i get into arguments with anarchists on discord it's because they're 19 and start threatening to kill anyone who wants to form a picket line

They get mad if you call them liberal idealists

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

Top City Homo posted:

They get mad if you call them liberal idealists

Young anarchists tend to know so little about socialism that they're pretty much just pure aestheticists, and will start sounding like ancaps without even realizing it.

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
young anarchists are basically where ancaps come from so yeah

young kid: gently caress you dad government
option 1: gently caress you capitalism!
option 2: gently caress yeah, capitalism!

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Fallen Hamprince posted:

wow that's really impressive you must have a really great life
says the guy who constantly trolls the lf thread

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Young anarchists tend to know so little about socialism that they're pretty much just pure aestheticists, and will start sounding like ancaps without even realizing it.
My pet theory is that the 'i was a socialist when I was a child, But Then I Grew Up' guys are all of this type. Got into 'left politics' for the chic factor, but only engaged on a surface level. Then, after they engage with the rest of society, get a job, find that their surface level understanding is insufficient, and become neocons.

Anarchism is great for that, because it keeps moving it's goal to this kind of impossible ideal, to avoid being lumped in with the ML's. "We want to get rid of all authority (except the legitimate kind), we're not the bad guys like communists", etc etc. But that movement simultaneously makes its connection to reality more and more tenuous, and so makes it easier to just drop entirely.

Worse, you get to contextualize that abandonment as a personal 'coming of age' story. And there's nothing more compelling to people, than the stories they tell themselves, about themselves.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
looks like the only solution


Minty
May 3, 2005

by Nyc_Tattoo
Profound truths itt.

Young people are stupid *nods sagely*

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81D7hbfi6AM

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
also

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Not surprising tbh. The USSR wasn't popular at the time of the collapse but in most cases the former satellite nations are way worse off, especially Russia itself. And the CPC is straight up state capitalism now. I dunno how many people in China like that but it can't be many outside of the Party and the petit bourgeois

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 16 days!)

https://twitter.com/turing_police/status/893885661761085441

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1TLqn5tO0I

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

zen death robot posted:

to be fair you could change the title to "things were better in the 80s" and the chart would look the same

yes but where the former soviet republics are concerned it is objectively, verifiably true

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016


survey of Russians lol

Plutonis
Mar 25, 2011

They are not wrong

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos
https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/894035738429411328

Spime Wrangler
Feb 23, 2003

Because we can.

I'm the percent that don't know there are parts of neighboring countries that really belong to russia

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
just wanted everyone to listen to this joyful opera song about the guillotine

cheers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fuuwM0Afqo

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Top City Homo posted:

just wanted everyone to listen to this joyful opera song about the guillotine

cheers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fuuwM0Afqo

quote:

The Scarlet Pimpernel is the name of a chivalrous Englishman, Sir Percy Blakeney, in the time of the Terrors in France, who, with his band of gentlemen, rescues aristocrats before they can be killed by the violent government in revolutionary France

lmao

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

lol yeah the french revolutionaries are the bad guys and a bunch of English fops are the heroes, i was in that show years ago

Grand Prize Winner
Feb 19, 2007


have there been any productions that riff on that so the pimp and his friends are the bad guys

namesake
Jun 19, 2006

"When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

Blackadder? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nqq8fG5l4Kg

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Won't anyone think of the poor aristocracy who literally own people

Enjoy
Apr 18, 2009

Larry Parrish posted:

Won't anyone think of the poor aristocracy who literally own people

in defence of hte aristocracy, if you posted better maybe you wouldnt get owned

Fallen Hamprince
Nov 12, 2016

Enjoy posted:

in defence of hte aristocracy, if you posted better maybe you wouldnt get owned

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Enjoy posted:

in defence of hte aristocracy, if you posted better maybe you wouldnt get owned

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Autism Sneaks
Nov 21, 2016

Enjoy posted:

in defence of hte aristocracy, if you posted better maybe you wouldnt get owned

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