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Slow News Day: Jul 4, 2007

People won't care unless it's a village full of white American dead bodies.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 21:08

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# ? May 30, 2024 02:37

TildeATH: Oct 21, 2010; by Lowtax

enraged_camel posted:

People won't care unless it's a village full of white American dead bodies.

Air conditioning during the height of these events will stop it so good luck on seeing a first world village heat massacre.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 21:36

Thug Lessons: Dec 14, 2006; I lust in my heart for as many dead refugees as possible.

Climate misanthropy is a weird cult.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 21:50

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

TildeATH posted:

Air conditioning during the height of these events will stop it so good luck on seeing a first world village heat massacre.

Just count on the American electrical grid to get overloaded due to everyone running their AC, causing a massive blackout that leaves millions without any way to cool down.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 22:08

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Just count on the American electrical grid to get overloaded due to everyone running their AC, causing a massive blackout that leaves millions without any way to cool down.

Powerwall x2 with inverters built-in

$30,000 of solar panels and insulation (including installation)

you too can enjoy grid independence and ride out the storm in comfort, shame about those poors

# ? Aug 4, 2017 22:13

StabbinHobo: Oct 18, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

its a weird sloping curve where no one seems to be able to find their balance at the "our children and grandchildren are hosed and tens to hundreds of millions will die, but realistically all of human history is littered with suffering and death so the species and even civilization will go on" point

# ? Aug 4, 2017 22:29

Notorious R.I.M.: Jan 27, 2004; up to my ass in alligators

How do I long the ice market for when blackouts make commodity prices for it shoot thru the roof?

# ? Aug 4, 2017 22:39

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Just count on the American electrical grid to get overloaded due to everyone running their AC, causing a massive blackout that leaves millions without any way to cool down.

Luckily solar and a/c usage track well.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 23:21

Slow News Day: Jul 4, 2007

TildeATH posted:

Air conditioning during the height of these events will stop it so good luck on seeing a first world village heat massacre.

Last time I checked, air conditioning doesn't prevent massive forest fires.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 23:40

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

enraged_camel posted:

Last time I checked, air conditioning doesn't prevent massive forest fires.

You need trees to live for there to be forests, duh.

# ? Aug 4, 2017 23:56

the old ceremony: Aug 1, 2017; by FactsAreUseless

we won't see hundreds of thousands dead from heat waves in the first world because, yes, air conditioning. however, as the price of energy skyrockets, sooner or later people just won't be able to turn their air conditioning on - the rich will be safe as always, but there will absolutely be white die-offs in areas with high humidity, especially as the baby boomers flock to the tropics for their retirement. what will kill people in the first world is floods, fires, civil unrest over food and water shortages, and what is currently the great unknown - disease.

i don't want to sound like i'm rubbing my hands with delight here because i'm not, i'm terrified, but while i always thought accelerationists were hosed up and gross the current situation has kind of left me with no choice except to hope things get really bad really quickly because there is absolutely nothing else that will force the change that we need

# ? Aug 5, 2017 00:11

Burt Buckle: Sep 1, 2011

CNN has had climate change articles as their front page twice now this week.

# ? Aug 5, 2017 02:56

Pander: Oct 9, 2007; Fear is the glue that holds society together. It's what makes people suppress their worst impulses. Fear is power.

And at the end of fear, oblivion.

Richard Engel on Assignment on msnbc tonight covered energy and climate policy all episode. It was pretty good. Didn't realize India's e-car industry was ramping up so much.

# ? Aug 5, 2017 03:08

Burt Buckle: Sep 1, 2011

Pander posted:

Richard Engel on Assignment on msnbc tonight covered energy and climate policy all episode. It was pretty good. Didn't realize India's e-car industry was ramping up so much.

Seems that many countries across the pond are taking real steps to reduce their carbon footprint. Unless some more practical technology comes into existence that can remove the existing CO2 from the atmosphere, we are still hosed for centuries, but it still gives me hope to see action at the national level in these countries.

# ? Aug 5, 2017 03:15

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

StabbinHobo posted:

its a weird sloping curve where no one seems to be able to find their balance at the "our children and grandchildren are hosed and tens to hundreds of millions will die, but realistically all of human history is littered with suffering and death so the species and even civilization will go on" point

It shouldn't be on a curve, though. Writing off suffering as a "well, it happens /shrug" is no comfort to the dying (outside practitioners of stoicism) and is a very American Christian / 20th Century Conservative way of approaching morality.

You shouldn't make decisions on a "well we can sac X population, that's life" basis. That's kinda hosed.

# ? Aug 5, 2017 03:51

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

Trabisnikof posted:

Luckily solar and a/c usage track well.

I don't think it's necessarily a matter of production not meeting demand, but demand not being able to be fulfilled due to bottlenecks in the grid - and the US grid is aging, especially in the east, with blackouts becoming increasingly common over the last two decades. Climate change, and continued inaction on the infrastructure side of things will accelerate this.

# ? Aug 5, 2017 05:45

StabbinHobo: Oct 18, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

the old ceremony posted:

we won't see hundreds of thousands dead from heat waves in the first world because, yes, air conditioning. however, as the price of energy skyrockets, sooner or later people just won't be able to turn their air conditioning on - the rich will be safe as always, but there will absolutely be white die-offs in areas with high humidity, especially as the baby boomers flock to the tropics for their retirement. what will kill people in the first world is floods, fires, civil unrest over food and water shortages, and what is currently the great unknown - disease.

i don't want to sound like i'm rubbing my hands with delight here because i'm not, i'm terrified, but while i always thought accelerationists were hosed up and gross the current situation has kind of left me with no choice except to hope things get really bad really quickly because there is absolutely nothing else that will force the change that we need

yea, like accelerationism is morally bankrupt as gently caress, but a few good acute outlier events earlier rather than later are realistically the only thing that will provoke an appropriately scaled reaction

# ? Aug 5, 2017 06:20

BattleMoose: Jun 16, 2010

A Buttery Pastry posted:

I don't think it's necessarily a matter of production not meeting demand, but demand not being able to be fulfilled due to bottlenecks in the grid

It can be on or the other or both. AC puts huge strain on electricity grids during heat waves. In aus the last one saw the electrity price meet the legislated maximum of $14/kwh. There just wasn't enough supply.

And thousands have already died due to heat waves in the first world. Old and frail people mostly, well the poor ones. Expect this to increase.

# ? Aug 5, 2017 13:10

dex_sda: Oct 11, 2012

Potato Salad posted:

Powerwall x2 with inverters built-in

$30,000 of solar panels and insulation (including installation)

you too can enjoy grid independence and ride out the storm in comfort, shame about those poors

What you could do is make places for the poors to have refuge during the heat waves. Something with built in AC. Like a mall. Maybe the filthy fuckers will unfuck money for some lovely overpriced items in the stores when they are forced to flock there. Also we could put ads on the walls for some useless garbage so the poors are forced to see them.

:capitalism:

edit: sad truth is, nobody will do anything until there's profit in being carbon neutral or better. And even though the renewable market is growing, there's still no real buck to be made.

dex_sda fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Aug 5, 2017

# ? Aug 5, 2017 17:08

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

dex_sda posted:

What you could do is make places for the poors to have refuge during the heat waves. Something with built in AC. Like a mall. Maybe the filthy fuckers will unfuck money for some lovely overpriced items in the stores when they are forced to flock there. Also we could put ads on the walls for some useless garbage so the poors are forced to see them.

Just make new homes for the poor be underground.

# ? Aug 5, 2017 17:09

dex_sda: Oct 11, 2012

A Buttery Pastry posted:

Just make new homes for the poor be underground.

Are we trying to make Deus Ex happen for real

# ? Aug 5, 2017 17:11

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

dex_sda posted:

Are we trying to make Deus Ex happen for real

Beneath the Planet of the Apes.

# ? Aug 5, 2017 17:20

Trabisnikof: Dec 24, 2005

dex_sda posted:

What you could do is make places for the poors to have refuge during the heat waves. Something with built in AC. Like a mall. Maybe the filthy fuckers will unfuck money for some lovely overpriced items in the stores when they are forced to flock there. Also we could put ads on the walls for some useless garbage so the poors are forced to see them.

edit: sad truth is, nobody will do anything until there's profit in being carbon neutral or better. And even though the renewable market is growing, there's still no real buck to be made.

Heat Refuges are a thing resilience minded communities are already doing. Last heat wave it was the libraries, senior center and city hall near where I live.

http://coolme.today

# ? Aug 5, 2017 17:23

dex_sda: Oct 11, 2012

Trabisnikof posted:

Heat Refuges are a thing resilience minded communities are already doing. Last heat wave it was the libraries, senior center and city hall near where I live.

http://coolme.today

Wow. I didn't know this.

# ? Aug 5, 2017 17:30

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

dex_sda posted:

Are we trying to make Deus Ex happen for real

# ? Aug 5, 2017 17:34

Femur: Jan 10, 2004; I REALLY NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP

Potato Salad posted:

Powerwall x2 with inverters built-in

$30,000 of solar panels and insulation (including installation)

you too can enjoy grid independence and ride out the storm in comfort, shame about those poors

Couldn't your solar panels be stolen very easily?

# ? Aug 5, 2017 19:26

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

nah that's what gun ownership is for :sun:

I see zero potential problems with expecting that I'll be able to keep the ~~darkies~~ poor off my lawn because the NRA told me home defence is viable and not an illusion

do you have a moment, by the way, to hear about voting Libertarian?

# ? Aug 5, 2017 20:04

Evil_Greven: Feb 20, 2007; Whadda I got to,
whadda I got to do
to wake ya up?

To shake ya up,
to break the structure up!?

Rap Record Hoarder posted:

Not unless those corpses are white people from a first world nation. And even then I'd put it at like 50/50 odds.

I would put the odds at 0.

2003 Euro heat wave

quote:

Peer-reviewed analysis places the European death toll at more than 70,000

# ? Aug 6, 2017 04:14

call to action: Jun 10, 2016; by FactsAreUseless

Human civilization has never faced a threat like climate change before, it's pretty weird to bring up trivial poo poo that humanity has shrugged off before in comparison

# ? Aug 6, 2017 04:39

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

call to action posted:

Human civilization has never faced a threat like climate change before, it's pretty weird to bring up trivial poo poo that humanity has shrugged off before in comparison

The Toba supervolcano :v:

Which I guess counts as PAST climate change

# ? Aug 6, 2017 05:14

A Buttery Pastry: Sep 4, 2011; Delicious and Informative!

GreyjoyBastard posted:

The Toba supervolcano

Which I guess counts as PAST climate change

Human civilization.

# ? Aug 6, 2017 06:13

FourLeaf: Dec 2, 2011

Apparently Tampa Bay's hurricane preparation plan relies almost totally on hope and prayers; everything else is inadequate or nonexistent: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/health/environment/tampa-bay-climate-change/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.eb303e46e74e

quote:

Tampa Bay is mesmerizing, with 700 miles of shoreline and some of the finest white sand beaches in the nation. But analysts say the metropolitan area is the most vulnerable in the United States to flooding and damage if a major hurricane ever scores a direct hit.

A Boston firm that analyzes potential catastrophic damage reported that the region would lose $175 billion in a storm the size of Hurricane Katrina. A World Bank study called Tampa Bay one of the 10 most at-risk areas on the globe.

Yet the bay area � greater Tampa, St. Petersburg and Clearwater � has barely begun to assess the rate of sea-level rise and address its effects. Its slow response to a major threat is a case study in how American cities reluctantly prepare for the worst, even though signs of impacts from climate change abound all around.

State leaders could be part of the reason. Republican Gov. Rick Scott�s administration has reportedly discouraged employees from using the words �climate change� in official communications. Last month, the Republican-controlled state legislature approved bills allowing any citizen to challenge textbooks and instructional materials, including those that teach the science of evolution and global warming.

The sea in Tampa Bay has risen naturally throughout time, about an inch per decade. But in the early 1990s, scientists say, it accelerated to several inches above normal, so much that recent projections have the bay rising between six inches and more than two feet by the middle of the century and up to nearly seven feet when it ends. On top of that, natural settling is causing land to slowly sink.

Sea-level rise worsens the severity of even small storms, adding to the water that can be pushed ashore. Hard rains now regularly flood neighborhoods in St. Petersburg, Tampa and Clearwater.

By a stroke of gambler�s luck, Tampa Bay hasn�t suffered a direct hit from a hurricane as powerful as a category 3 or higher in nearly a century. Tampa has doubled down on a bet that another won�t strike anytime soon, investing billions of dollars in high-rise condominiums along the waterfront and shipping port upgrades and expanding a hospital on an island in the middle of the bay to make it one of the largest in the state.

Once-sleepy St. Petersburg has gradually followed suit, adorning its downtown coast with high-rise condominiums, new shops and hotels. The city is in the final stages of a plan to build a $45 million pier as a major attraction that would extend out into the bay.

Worried that area leaders weren�t adequately focused on the downside of living in a tropic, the Tampa Bay Regional Planning Council reminded them of the risks by simulating a worst-case scenario hurricane, a category 5 with winds exceeding 156 mph, to demonstrate what would happen if it entered the Gulf of Mexico and turned their way.

The fictitious Phoenix hurricane scenario projects that wind damage would destroy nearly half a million homes and businesses. About 2 million residents would require medical treatment, and the estimated death toll, more than 2,000, would top the number of people who perished from Hurricane Katrina in Louisiana and Mississippi.

Florida�s most densely populated county, Pinellas, could be sliced in half by a wave of water. The low-lying county of about a million is growing so fast that there�s no land left to develop, and main roads and an interstate connecting it to Tampa get clogged with traffic even on a clear day.

�If a hurricane 4 or 5 hit us,� St. Petersburg City Council Chairman Darden Rice said, referring to the two highest category storms, �there�s no doubt about it. The plan is you�d better get out of Dodge.�

Tampa Mayor Bob Buckhorn�s warning was even starker. Standing outside City Hall last year, he described what would happen if a hurricane as small as a category 3 with 110 mph to 130 mph winds hit downtown.

�Where you�re standing now would be 15 feet under water,� he said.

Video simulations of hurricanes that strafed Florida but missed Tampa Bay look like an epic game of dodgeball.

�It�s like we�re in this sweet spot. It�s like we�re blessed somehow, protected,� said Allison Yeh, a planner for Hillsborough County in Tampa.

The last direct hit from a category 3 in 1921 left the area in ruins, but few people lived there then. A single death was recorded.

Now, with 4 million residents and gleaming new infrastructure, the stakes are higher, and Yeh and her fellow planners are wary. They know a major hurricane like one of several that barely missed the bay in recent years would have a devastating effect.

# ? Aug 6, 2017 12:20

got any sevens: Feb 9, 2013; by Cyrano4747

Sherman didnt go far enough

# ? Aug 6, 2017 16:32

Dwanyelle: Jan 13, 2008; ISRAEL DOESN'T HAVE CIVILIANS THEY'RE ALL VALID TARGETS
I'm a huge dickbag ignore me

got any sevens posted:

Sherman didnt go far enough

It wouldn't have mattered, he burnt Atlanta to the ground and they were still loving idiots when they rebuilt.

Five million one way roads all called Peachtree

# ? Aug 6, 2017 16:44

actionjackson: Jan 12, 2003

Climate change destroying Florida is one of several reasons I'm okay with all of this

# ? Aug 6, 2017 17:10

StabbinHobo: Oct 18, 2002; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Evil_Greven posted:

I would put the odds at 0.

2003 Euro heat wave

again you're still not getting the point

thats over the course of a continent over the course of months and required retroactive peer reviewed studies to get to that number

i'm talking about a vice episode where some shithead with a gopro tours a pakistani village where whole extended families bodies are piled up near the bus stop

what provokes fear and reactions in people is things happening faster than they can re-act. nobody is afraid of a heat wave that kills a marginally greater number of old people per month. whereas a villiage full of corpses that all died at once because they couldn't flee fast enough would provoke a *completely* different reaction.

anyway this is a dumb disaster porn tangent that really just serves as a good example of why forums threads are such a pointless waste of time

# ? Aug 6, 2017 17:22

Hello Sailor: May 3, 2006; we're all mad here

Thalantos posted:

It wouldn't have mattered, he burnt Atlanta to the ground and they were still loving idiots when they rebuilt.

Five million one way roads all called Peachtree

Gonna confound the northern aggressors the next time around. Defeat the Yanks through the accumulated cost of "wrong way" tickets accrued by the drone tanks.

# ? Aug 7, 2017 05:05

BattleMoose: Jun 16, 2010

This has now become the military history thread. Is this the future?

# ? Aug 7, 2017 05:20

Mustached Demon: Nov 12, 2016

FourLeaf posted:

Apparently Tampa Bay's hurricane preparation plan relies almost totally on hope and prayers; everything else is inadequate or nonexistent: https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/health/environment/tampa-bay-climate-change/?tid=sm_tw&utm_term=.eb303e46e74e

Is Tampa Bay a conservative hell hole part of Florida?

# ? Aug 7, 2017 07:51

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# ? May 30, 2024 02:37

MiddleOne: Feb 17, 2011

BattleMoose posted:

This has now become the military history thread. Is this the future?

If you came here from the beginning of the Arab Spring then yes!

:negative:

# ? Aug 7, 2017 08:02

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