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Perestroika posted:Even though they're fairly big, longswords are very lightweight. Most of them weigh only like 1-1.5 kilograms, with the centre of mass close to the hilt. And a smallsword like Arya's, while being quite a bit lighter at ~0.5-0.75 kg, is still a very stiff bit of actual steel. They made a point of showing her deflecting Brienne's attacks sideways, perpendicular to the direction of the swings, rather than trying to block them head-on. That's actually reasonably doable and doesn't take all that much force. I haven't swordfought for real but wouldn't Brienne's strength and size re: Arya mean that Arya's arm would be the breaking point, not her sword? Like if I swing a toy sword at my 6-year-old cousin he can block me fine but his tiny baby arms vs my rippling adult biceps mean he still drops his "guard," I just swat his sword out of the way. Genuinely curious.
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Holy poo poo the sperg on the sparring session. 1) Arya is magic 2) Brienne is not going full strength 3) Deflection vs absorbing 4) Dragons, dire wolves, the walking dead, see Point 1
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Aug 8, 2017 19:09
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I haven't swordfought for real but wouldn't Brienne's strength and size re: Arya mean that Arya's arm would be the breaking point, not her sword? Like if I swing a toy sword at my 6-year-old cousin he can block me fine but his tiny baby arms vs my rippling adult biceps mean he still drops his "guard," I just swat his sword out of the way. Even with sticks you can get banged up. Arya wasn't wearing any padding at all so there's no way Brienne could really swing at her without risking an injury. It's easier to block when your opponent is trying not to hit you. It wasn't a fair fight but Arya still did better than anyone expected.
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Aug 8, 2017 19:17
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I haven't swordfought for real but wouldn't Brienne's strength and size re: Arya mean that Arya's arm would be the breaking point, not her sword? Like if I swing a toy sword at my 6-year-old cousin he can block me fine but his tiny baby arms vs my rippling adult biceps mean he still drops his "guard," I just swat his sword out of the way. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=epxdxcy6dYs&t=655s I've heard HEMA is getting more and more exposure in TV/film stunt teams, so hopefully the quality of choreography will generally get better and better.
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Aug 8, 2017 19:22
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I think part of the purpose of the fight was illustrating that not only is Arya a certified bad-rear end now, but that she is ruthless. She went into the fight knowing that Brienne wouldn't use her full force, and quickly demonstrated that she could've killed Brienne as a result. Arya wasn't training to be a fighter, she was training to be an assassin, and part of the reason she is capable of defeating bigger and more experienced foes is because she knows how to recognize and exploit their weaknesses.
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Aug 8, 2017 19:22
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the first thing Arya says in that scene is that the answer to fighting someone like Brienne is 'don't fight her' of course the lil twiggly lady is gonna lose an actual throw-down fisticuff with the big badass of tarth she ever needed to kill Brienne, Arya could just murder Pod before the next time he helped Brienne out of her armor, pose as him, and slit the big galumph's throat she just wanted a little a little sparring with the best soldier left in Winterfell, and to get a good round in she needed to show Brienne that she really was fast enough to needle her eye if she fought her the way she fights Pod
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Aug 8, 2017 19:33
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zeal posted:she ever needed to kill Brienne, Arya could just murder Pod before the next time he helped Brienne out of her armor, pose as him, and slit the big galumph's throat I picture it more like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lYbBSPM2gk&t=395s
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Aug 8, 2017 19:37
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Last season Arya couldn't beat up a little girl unless the lights were off. How did she become a badass sword fighter between seasons?
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Aug 8, 2017 19:39
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some guy on the bus posted:Last season Arya couldn't beat up a little girl unless the lights were off. How did she become a badass sword fighter between seasons? The waif wasn't a "little girl"
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Aug 8, 2017 19:40
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She had unspent perk points.
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Aug 8, 2017 19:41
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Arya is the Waif it's like you aren't even paying attention
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Aug 8, 2017 19:42
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Why hasn't anyone edited in Macho Man OH YEAHS into last episode's Dragon battle scene? Internet's slacking. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSDfTAu86qo&t=95s ruddiger fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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Aug 8, 2017 19:47
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Constant posted:I picture it more like this You want to get technical, Tyrion's a good enough shot with a crossbow that he could probably end Brienne just like Barristan Selmy can die to the knife of some slaver's brat in an alley, or mighty ol Ned Stark can end up with Littlefinger's dagger across his throat it's been a running theme through this whole show that 'the fight' is not always to the biggest strongest badass some guy on the bus posted:Last season Arya couldn't beat up a little girl unless the lights were off. How did she become a badass sword fighter between seasons? ...did you miss the part where she trained until she could fight blind against a Faceless assassin?
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Aug 8, 2017 19:50
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Yea, you notice Arya is focusing on the exposed parts of Brienne, her knee and face. She learned that from when she showed the Hound what she got and just jabbed him right in the breastplate which only got her a smack in the face. I actually wonder if Maisie Williams actually did the funky breakdance get up move. Something I realized rewatching the battle, Bronn cannot rely on his normal tricks, because the Dothraki rely on skill rather than armor. I like how the guy he was dueling cut his horse out from underneath him, because of course the Dothraki would have developed tactics to deal with other horsemen. There is no way that one wagon full of gold was enough to pay off the entire debt to the Iron Bank, though probably a decent part of the interest.
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kiimo posted:Arya is the Waif it's like you aren't even paying attention The Waif was Darth Vadar from Dagobagh. You must kill yourself to become nothing. She is finishing the killing and will soon be Bran levels of jerk.
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tooterfish posted:She had unspent perk points. Woah this makes sense. Her s5 and 6 plots sucked hard bc she was a low level, crappy rogue doing faceless quests for xp but not taking any level ups. Between unlocking the faceless class and killing Frey she dumps like 10 levels worth of skills and perks into faceless assassin. twistedmentat posted:Yea, you notice Arya is focusing on the exposed parts of Brienne, her knee and face. She learned that from when she showed the Hound what she got and just jabbed him right in the breastplate which only got her a smack in the face. I think there were many wagons of gold.
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The Walrus posted:Agreed, and also it was dumb as heck watching maisie williams deflect a sword that weighs probably 2/3ds of her body weight with a rapier, I don't care how adept water dancers are at redirecting force. I don't know jack poo poo about swords, but this guy apparently does: https://www.reddit.com/r/gameofthrones/comments/6s5zz1/everything_some_quick_insight_on_aryas_fighting/ quote:4) I don't have an effective picture for the little sword tap she does throughout, because it's so quick and also I can't really show it without the movement. Notice on watching, though, that Arya puts no tension in her arm for this. Obviously, her sword has no hope of blocking Brienne's in any capacity. Instead, she rings Brienne's sword to take advantage of most fighters' tendency to focus more on the opponent's sword than the opponent. By tapping both sides of Brienne's sword she disorients her long enough to move in for a kill, or just redirects Brienne's sword by her own instincts.
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PantsBandit posted:I think part of the purpose of the fight was illustrating that not only is Arya a certified bad-rear end now, but that she is ruthless. She went into the fight knowing that Brienne wouldn't use her full force, and quickly demonstrated that she could've killed Brienne as a result. Arya wasn't training to be a fighter, she was training to be an assassin, and part of the reason she is capable of defeating bigger and more experienced foes is because she knows how to recognize and exploit their weaknesses. This makes me wonder if the sparring scene wasn't foreshadowing a future attempt by Arya to assassinate Cersei, only to get swatted down by the Mountain. What weaknesses does a giant zombie man have?
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zeal posted:...did you miss the part where she trained until she could fight blind against a Faceless assassin? I saw the part where she learned to take a beating. 2 seasons of it. Did you see the hidden episode between S6 and S7 where she learned to fight?
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some guy on the bus posted:I saw the part where she learned to take a beating. 2 seasons of it. Did you see the hidden episode between S6 and S7 where she learned to fight? ah, so you're being deliberately obtuse, got it
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Aug 8, 2017 20:09
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is this it? I was wondering what the bitch fest would be about this week. Honestly Arya not having enough training to beat Brienne is as good an argument as any. Dogshit writing, D&D hacks
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twistedmentat posted:Something I realized rewatching the battle, Bronn cannot rely on his normal tricks, because the Dothraki rely on skill rather than armor. I like how the guy he was dueling cut his horse out from underneath him, because of course the Dothraki would have developed tactics to deal with other horsemen. Bronn's mistake was not being as clever as he normally would be, he aimed for the man with his dagger throw instead of pulling a Daario and aiming for the horse. Throwing accurate daggers from horseback is probably really loving hard though.
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kiimo posted:is this it? I was wondering what the bitch fest would be about this week. I think the river depth is an honorable mention. It should get more posts. Dodging dragon fire is an issue we didn't bring up.
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Aug 8, 2017 20:16
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Is it weird that I'm almost as excited to see next week's sperg topic as I am to see the show itself?
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Aug 8, 2017 20:19
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Lighter weapons sometimes have to use a technique where you don't actually meat the force of the other weapon, but follow it instead. You hit the attacking weapon's non-striking edge. I think this is what Arya did, but I'm not going to slow-motion it to check. This often makes the attacking weapon take a very similar path to what was originally intended, but changes that angle and timing just enough that you aren't where the attacker planned on you being during the intended contact point of the strike.
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Aug 8, 2017 20:19
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bloom posted:Is it weird that I'm almost as excited to see next week's sperg topic as I am to see the show itself? I unironically love this thread despite the constant digs. Maybe Jamie is flowing down the river instead of sinking in it. goddam camera tricks
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Aug 8, 2017 20:22
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Bronn isn't going to leave him to drown, not while he still owes him a loving castle.
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Aug 8, 2017 20:25
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John Brown posted:Guys, I don't think the gold made its way to KL. Hence the title of the scene "Loot Train...". Also, as it's been noted the Iron Bank rep said "once the payment is made" or whatever. Jesus
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Aug 8, 2017 20:28
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zeal posted:ah, so you're being deliberately obtuse, got it Since the only time she got the upper hand on the Waif was when she took out the candle, I guess in your mind Arya being able to shank the Waif in the dark means she's a great sword fighter.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I didn't like seeing Arya fight like that. Mostly because her past few seasons haven't really paid off into it. We've seen her practice sword moves alone, barely beat some people alongside the monster fighter that is the Hound, and do non-combat faceless training. Apparently off-screen she became a ninja. I really wish they handled all that differently. This scene felt like payoff to a plot that didn't happen. Also having Maisie Williams do that sword twirl over and over looked dumb. Its super nitpicky but also she really shouldn't have been able to easily parry Brienne's greatsword with her rapier like that. I get that they wanted her to look badass, but if she's specifically an assassin water dancer who fights with a rapier, the way to show she's a badass would be to have her constantly dodging Brienne's moves by moving around. She did a bit of that and it was good, and the way they both ended up tied killing each other at the same time was great, but the way she just kinda parried all these heavy blows from Brienne was just plain bogus. Brienne is strong. Arya is not. But Arya is still a good fighter. Oh well. Sword twirls!! These are exciting! The Walrus posted:Agreed, and also it was dumb as heck watching maisie williams deflect a sword that weighs probably 2/3ds of her body weight with a rapier, I don't care how adept water dancers are at redirecting force. poo poo you beat me to it, Walrus. If she'd just been dodging around like a fencer and doing fancy footwork it'd be just as impressive, but everybody expects CLANG CLANG CLANG star wars lightsaber parries these days  PantsBandit posted:Brienne wasn't trying to hurt her, even when she was taking it seriously. The difference between the two of them was that Arya could put her all into it, but Brienne had to hold back or she would've risked seriously hurting Arya. Arya's many fights with the Waif taught her how to avoid getting hit, and the Waif was significantly faster than Brienne. Nah, Arya definitely impressed the poo poo out of Brienne early on and you can see Brienne adjust and start giving her all. She wasn't trying to kill Arya but there's no way her sword wouldn't have any force behind it at all. Edgar Allen Ho posted:I haven't swordfought for real but wouldn't Brienne's strength and size re: Arya mean that Arya's arm would be the breaking point, not her sword? Like if I swing a toy sword at my 6-year-old cousin he can block me fine but his tiny baby arms vs my rippling adult biceps mean he still drops his "guard," I just swat his sword out of the way. She'd probably drop her sword off the impact of trying to parry her. Maybe she'd hold onto the sword but be deflected, she wouldn't be able to just stop the sword on a dime either way. The only solution is to move out the way unless you have an equally big sword or a shield. Zaphod42 fucked around with this message at 20:35 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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Late to the party but I was 100% sure Bronns dropped coins were his "two days from retirement" moment
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PantsBandit posted:I think part of the purpose of the fight was illustrating that not only is Arya a certified bad-rear end now, but that she is ruthless. She went into the fight knowing that Brienne wouldn't use her full force, and quickly demonstrated that she could've killed Brienne as a result. Arya wasn't training to be a fighter, she was training to be an assassin, and part of the reason she is capable of defeating bigger and more experienced foes is because she knows how to recognize and exploit their weaknesses. Did you miss how Brienne adjusts herself halfway through the fight? Or how Arya and Brienne both finish the fight where they would have killed each other simultaneously? Arya did great because nobody expected anything of her, but in the end it was a draw. Brienne started trying harder and they finished equal to each other. Constant posted:I picture it more like this Yeah this is EXACTLY how Arya should fight. Stupid quick strike for the kill. No wasted time. That said, she was clearly having fun with Brienne.
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some guy on the bus posted:Last season Arya couldn't beat up a little girl unless the lights were off. How did she become a badass sword fighter between seasons? DBZ rules. Arya should have died from all the stab wounds to her chest, so when she survived she came back 100x stronger. Arya is half-Saiyan.
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The Human Crouton posted:Lighter weapons sometimes have to use a technique where you don't actually meat the force of the other weapon, but follow it instead. You hit the attacking weapon's non-striking edge. I think this is what Arya did, but I'm not going to slow-motion it to check. This often makes the attacking weapon take a very similar path to what was originally intended, but changes that angle and timing just enough that you aren't where the attacker planned on you being during the intended contact point of the strike. Nah she'd still have to move a lot for that. She straight up deflects and redirects several of Brienne's blows at full-strength. But its not the end of the world. We've had much worse fights in GOT, that one was still very exciting and most of it was well choreographed even if we're gonna nitpick.
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Zaphod42 posted:Did you miss how Brienne adjusts herself halfway through the fight? Or how Arya and Brienne both finish the fight where they would have killed each other simultaneously? Arya did great because nobody expected anything of her, but in the end it was a draw. Brienne started trying harder and they finished equal to each other. I liked the look on Brienne's face after kicking Arya to the ground. "oh poo poo, did i just gently caress up Lady Stark's daughter in a fit of rage" Then when Arya gets back into her feet with that badass pose, everyone else seemed to be looking like 'ohshit'.
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Alhazred posted:Grain silo explosions are a thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dust_explosion Oh yeah, we have a few people a year die around here from these. Hell, this was just last week (no fatalities in that one) CornHolio fucked around with this message at 20:50 on Aug 8, 2017 |
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Zaphod42 posted:Did you miss how Brienne adjusts herself halfway through the fight? Or how Arya and Brienne both finish the fight where they would have killed each other simultaneously? Arya did great because nobody expected anything of her, but in the end it was a draw. Brienne started trying harder and they finished equal to each other. Yes, Brienne did adjust halfway through the fight when she recognized that Arya was more capable than she looked. However, that was after Arya had parried her initial advance and held Needle to her throat. That's what I was saying, if Arya had been trying to kill Brienne the fight would have ended right there, before Brienne had a chance to adjust.
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PantsBandit posted:Yes, Brienne did adjust halfway through the fight when she recognized that Arya was more capable than she looked. However, that was after Arya had parried her initial advance and held Needle to her throat. That's what I was saying, if Arya had been trying to kill Brienne the fight would have ended right there, before Brienne had a chance to adjust. Oh def, they were sparring. Zaphod42 posted:Yeah this is EXACTLY how Arya should fight. Stupid quick strike for the kill. No wasted time.
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