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Nitrousoxide posted:I'm pretty sure even the most socialist of socialists only want to share the capital, not the incidental goods produced by capital. I'm stealing your sailboat so that I can lash it to mine and have a double-sailboat. I'll be too fast for the ocean vigilantes and pirates to catch me.
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Serf posted:sounds like centrism to me on the far left is anime on the far right is fascism in the center is me. i am the only one brave enough to distance myself from the evils of both anime and fascism.
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I'm getting into actually reading Marx, and sort of looking down the road. I don't have to read Lacan, do I? I really don't want to read Lacan.
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm getting into actually reading Marx, and sort of looking down the road. I don't have to read Lacan, do I? I really don't want to read Lacan. Either you Lacan or you Lacan't
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If someone in the socialist utopia stole from me I'd probably just want to know why instead of asking for one and then maybe try to arbitrate the whole thing, but that's kind of immaterial imo. Then again there isn't really stuff I own that I feel is worth ruining someone's life over.
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to get a full grasp of political theory, you have to read every book imo
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm getting into actually reading Marx, and sort of looking down the road. I don't have to read Lacan, do I? I really don't want to read Lacan. gently caress Lacan, hth.
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Agnosticnixie posted:If someone in the socialist utopia stole from me I'd probably just want to know why instead of asking for one and then maybe try to arbitrate the whole thing, but that's kind of immaterial imo. what if he stole your thicc wife? are you brave and self-confident enough to do anything to get her back?
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Slanderer posted:on the far left is anime
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Slanderer posted:what if he stole your thicc wife? are you brave and self-confident enough to do anything to get her back? presumably kidnapping and trafficking is one of the things for the stasi enforcer drones to handle
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the bitcoin of weed posted:presumably kidnapping and trafficking is one of the things for the stasi enforcer drones to handle here's the twist: your thicc wife is just an enormous realdoll that you are deeply in love with due to a mental disorder.
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jarofpiss posted:you can go but we just overwhelmingly voted for all that stuff Imo we should accept everyone that comes to us with good intentions with open arms because social democrats are 3 or 4 conversations away from being demsocs
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Slanderer posted:what if he stole your thicc wife? are you brave and self-confident enough to do anything to get her back? Thankfully, as a woman, I don't need a thicc wife for performative feminism
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I was wondering, but could the DSA take advantage of this? http://www.statesman.com/news/local/new-low-texas-democrats-don-have-candidate-for-governor/3xlc09Set70DBpAnX0q3ZN/
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Agnosticnixie posted:If someone in the socialist utopia stole from me I'd probably just want to know why instead of asking for one and then maybe try to arbitrate the whole thing, but that's kind of immaterial imo. trick question, nobody can steal things in the socialist utopia because everyone owns everything
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Karl Barks posted:to get a full grasp of political theory, you have to read every book imo you just have to read settlers, over and over
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Annual Prophet posted:you just have to read settlers, over and over alternatively, smoke an astounding amount of weed
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Slanderer posted:Wrong. It is the pure synthesis of harsh reality and the unattainable tankie dream. is is perfect and beautiful. I do believe this.
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Crowsbeak posted:I was wondering, but could the DSA take advantage of this? Run a cop
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Tricky Dick Nixon posted:I think it's necessary for us as an organization to be able to articulate what comes after abolition. The abolition of the prison system alone I think is a major good step to move towards, but we definitely need a vision that's more than a negation. I'm not a left-libertarian, nor an anarchist, so my bringing up what I imagine would be the stateless alternative isn't an endorsement, I'd much rather hear from people who have a vision of what it'd be like as an alternative and have the discussion. Personally, a staged dismantlement of police militarization, ending the drug war, while removing the broad powers of suppression (the laws around "public order" and the myriad statutes against demonstrations), in addition to eliminating first private and then public penitentiary systems, are what I'd advocate currently. At the point where police are no longer serving as an apparatus of repression, incarceration, or defense of property, they aren't really the police anymore as it's commonly understood. But it is still tied to the state, so my question would be to other socialists what is the ideal to remove the police as an enforcement arm of the state without reducing it to, as others have put it, a Stefan Molyneux 'verse system of vigilantism? It's good that you're actually thinking about what to replace police with, but you also need to think about what to replace prisons with.
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Jeb! Repetition posted:It's good that you're actually thinking about what to replace police with, but you also need to think about what to replace prisons with. Reeducation camps
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Jeb! Repetition posted:It's good that you're actually thinking about what to replace police with, but you also need to think about what to replace prisons with. A prison that isn't designed to be super lovely to be in
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I reckon a good, gradualist halfway mark would be replacing the US's system of for-profit hellholes with something more humane and focused on rehabilitation like they have in the nordics, then once that's established and rates of incarceration are driven down through reforming sentencing and prohibition and all that you move onto some kind of probation or community service oriented thing, maybe with vocational training, therapy or education rolled in to give your rehabilitated crim a fresh start in life. As it is prisons are crammed full of people that flatout shouldn't be there and if and when they come out the other end of it their life's a loving mess, they've had to toughen up and become ruthless and violent just to survive and their employment prospects are for poo poo.
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Halloween Jack posted:I'm getting into actually reading Marx, and sort of looking down the road. I don't have to read Lacan, do I? I really don't want to read Lacan. i'm in a similar boat and i'm just going to get the basics from some secondary literature/summaries so i can follow what people are saying. only going to go deeper if those make him sound legit interesting rather than a crank or charlatan the theoretical left could really do with getting over psychoanalysis tbqh
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The only interesting parts of lacanian theory can be found in Zizek's Pervert's Guides. Actually reading the stuff will make your brain soft.
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TomViolence posted:I reckon a good, gradualist halfway mark would be replacing the US's system of for-profit hellholes with something more humane and focused on rehabilitation like they have in the nordics, then once that's established and rates of incarceration are driven down through reforming sentencing and prohibition and all that you move onto some kind of probation or community service oriented thing, maybe with vocational training, therapy or education rolled in to give your rehabilitated crim a fresh start in life. I guess I'm on board for this as long as the probation/community service end goal still involves them being, y'know, confined.
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Also if we have really good rehabilitation I think that'd be a reason to be even harsher on recidivists. Like if they couldn't reform with all that they're never gonna, so you can just throw away the key.
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Crowsbeak posted:I was wondering, but could the DSA take advantage of this? https://twitter.com/statesman/status/894983526864609280 Echoing this. Someone please get Texas locals to endorse someone!
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Well once you have a proper mental health system in place and you cull bullshit imprisonment/criminalizations, what exactly do you have left? Temporary "I hosed up, but I can do better" types that prison could potentially make much worse and a rehabilitation immune population of ne'er do wells?
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TomViolence posted:I reckon a good, gradualist halfway mark would be replacing the US's system of for-profit hellholes with something more humane and focused on rehabilitation like they have in the nordics, then once that's established and rates of incarceration are driven down through reforming sentencing and prohibition and all that you move onto some kind of probation or community service oriented thing, maybe with vocational training, therapy or education rolled in to give your rehabilitated crim a fresh start in life. This sounds like a good general outline for a plan to reform prisons.
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D.Ork Bimboolean posted:Well once you have a proper mental health system in place and you cull bullshit imprisonment/criminalizations, what exactly do you have left? Temporary "I hosed up, but I can do better" types that prison could potentially make much worse and a rehabilitation immune population of ne'er do wells? Yeah.
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Ruzihm posted:https://twitter.com/statesman/status/894983526864609280 I know a lot of leftie Texans (myself included) have been trying to get Jim Hightower to run, but he seems pretty resistant sadly. I can't think of any other left-leaning person that would remotely have the name recognition to make a run against Abbot.
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Syndlig posted:I know a lot of leftie Texans (myself included) have been trying to get Jim Hightower to run, but he seems pretty resistant sadly. I can't think of any other left-leaning person that would remotely have the name recognition to make a run against Abbot. You know maybe you don't need name recognition. Maybe you need to find someone in your own ranks to go all out.
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https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/894965903187693568
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jarofpiss posted:*unsheathes my declaration to run for governor* I'd vote for a jarofpiss for governor of Texas.
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danny fetonte seems to be getting a lot of attention right now...
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Internet Explorer posted:I'd vote for a jarofpiss for governor of Texas. so would trump
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