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In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Future Tone was really hard on Extreme pad for me but once I switched to a arcade setup and started using my fight stick to play it the game made a lot more sense.

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Beelerzebub
May 28, 2016

I came here to laugh at you.

Liver Disaster posted:

Good list except for this one, why would you do that to a stranger?

Because it's an alright game with some archaic mechanics. Music's pretty alright as well. It was more of an "if you can get it on sale" suggestion than a "hey, drop $20 on this old JRPG" suggestion

Mason Dixon
Jul 28, 2001

Crimson Butterfly

Sea Sponge Run posted:

Future Tone does have its problems and it might stem from the arcade source I dunno. A lot of the notecharts are really obnoxious to hit.

Do you mean there's something technically wrong, or that some of the charts are arranged to be difficult but in an unfun way? I'd certainly agree w/ the latter for some songs, but I'm not exactly a pro player (most songs past 8.5 difficulty on Extreme or Extra are beyond me), so wasn't sure how much was me and how much was the game. Never tried playing on anything but pad, though.

Takoluka
Jun 26, 2009

Don't look at me!



Mason Dixon posted:

Do you mean there's something technically wrong, or that some of the charts are arranged to be difficult but in an unfun way? I'd certainly agree w/ the latter for some songs, but I'm not exactly a pro player (most songs past 8.5 difficulty on Extreme or Extra are beyond me), so wasn't sure how much was me and how much was the game. Never tried playing on anything but pad, though.

The game is not built to be played on a DS4 and is instead designed around the AC setup, which is 4 buttons laid out horizontally. This makes certain patterns and chains extremely awkward to hit without the proper control scheme.

Armor-Piercing
Sep 22, 2009

Nightly dance
of bleeding swords


In Training posted:

Future Tone was really hard on Extreme pad for me but once I switched to a arcade setup and started using my fight stick to play it the game made a lot more sense.
What kind of button layout do you use for it? I might need a PS4 stick after all.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

Armor-Piercing posted:

What kind of button layout do you use for it? I might need a PS4 stick after all.

I have an 8 button stick, and I mirrored the arcade layout: triangle square cross circle on the bottom row, left/right left/right across the top row. The multi hold patterns on the screen mirror the physical placement of the buttons in that arrangement so you stop seeing note indications and just look for patterns.

Saoshyant
Oct 26, 2010

:hmmorks: :orks:


Mason Dixon posted:

I'd say pass on Project Diva X, though, as it had some annoying unlock mechanics and IMO the overall song list wasn't good enough to make up for it.

I really like the music selection in Diva X. I do wish there would be more of it, though; the mission-based content was clearly made with more songs in mind. The unlock mechanics are not that different from previous games; you need to play songs to get newer songs, except this time you see a score counter going towards that goal.

Future Tone, I started having more fun with it when I changed the icon layout to be entirely the DS4 buttons instead of half of it being arrows. Now it mostly plays like the other Diva games, except with the star notes replaced by holding the L1/R1 at weird times.

coolskull
Nov 11, 2007

Diva X is fine if you exhausted other available miku games, otherwise it's a real bummer.

Saint Freak
Apr 16, 2007

Regretting is an insult to oneself
Buglord

In Training posted:

Future Tone was really hard on Extreme pad for me but once I switched to a arcade setup and started using my fight stick to play it the game made a lot more sense.

I never even thought to try this. Thanks.

Manatee Cannon
Aug 26, 2010



Beelerzebub posted:

Because it's an alright game with some archaic mechanics. Music's pretty alright as well. It was more of an "if you can get it on sale" suggestion than a "hey, drop $20 on this old JRPG" suggestion

persona 2 has some archaic mechanics. that doesn't begin to cover the first persona tho

Beelerzebub
May 28, 2016

I came here to laugh at you.

Manatee Cannon posted:

persona 2 has some archaic mechanics. that doesn't begin to cover the first persona tho

It's a game you go back to in order to see how a series began. How's that?

Liver Disaster
Mar 31, 2012

no more tears

Find a way to play SMT1 instead, it's actually good.

Beelerzebub
May 28, 2016

I came here to laugh at you.
Or play Jack Bros instead, since it's the best in the series.

LuiCypher
Apr 24, 2010

Today I'm... amped up!

Can't believe it took them so long to release the Oculus Rift, the Vive, and PlayStation VR. For years I've been wondering when I'd finally be able to emulate the Virtual Boy in its truest glory!

Improbable Lobster
Jan 6, 2012

"From each according to his ability" said Ares. It sounded like a quotation.
Buglord

Beelerzebub posted:

It's a game you go back to in order to see how a series began. How's that?

It's not very good.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



LuiCypher posted:

Can't believe it took them so long to release the Oculus Rift, the Vive, and PlayStation VR. For years I've been wondering when I'd finally be able to emulate the Virtual Boy in its truest glory!

Could have done that on the PSP with Metal Gear Acid 2 and the Solid Eye.

testtubebaby
Apr 7, 2008

Where we're going,
we won't need eyes to see.


Beelerzebub posted:

Or play Jack Bros instead, since it's the best in the series.

Jack Bros is the best... good luck getting an English copy and a working VB tho.

Beelerzebub
May 28, 2016

I came here to laugh at you.

zenintrude posted:

Jack Bros is the best... good luck getting an English copy and a working VB tho.

I don't typically recommend emulation (because supporting XSeed, Atlus, Aksys, NISA, etc. is a great way to show support for games you love and also a great way to hopefully get Zero/Ao no Kiseki localized), but this is one of those times where I would say emulation is objectively okay. It's doubtful that it will ever be re-released, and no one who made it or translated it is making any money off of it anymore.

EPIC fat guy vids
Feb 3, 2011

squeak... squeak... SQUEAK!
Lipstick Apathy
So apparently this new AW vs SAO game is trash and runs at 15 fps at the best of times in world areas. Do any of you know if SAO HR (the 3rd release) runs well now? I heard the JPN patches fixed a lot of the fps issues for it but not sure if they ever were released in NA.

totalnewbie
Nov 13, 2005

I was born and raised in China, lived in Japan, and now hold a US passport.

I am wrong in every way, all the damn time.

Ask me about my tattoos.

Failboattootoot posted:

I really want to reiterate that the fan-service in this game is completely bonkers. It's a pretty good game though, which is more than I can say than every other game that trips my personal metric for, "this is softcore porn in disguise."

Dungeon Traveler 2 (and 2-2, but it's JP only for now) is a great dungeon crawler.

The fanservice is incredibly heavy, with lots of innuendos and skimpy anime girls, but if you can put up with some character designs that include panties and cutscenes with barely covered anime tits, it really is a great game.

Liver Disaster
Mar 31, 2012

no more tears

zenintrude posted:

Jack Bros is the best... good luck getting an English copy and a working VB tho.

It's probably what's at the top of the 'recommended emulators' list, other probable goons have spent large periods of their empty lives testing these things so you don't have to.
The virtualboy emulator I played Jack Bros on used red/blue 3D glasses and it was really great, good roms are also a google search away play the sd gundam game too.

waah
Jun 20, 2011

Better stay in line when
You see a Pavel like me shinin

How is that Tokyo Xanadub game that came out a coupe months ago?

Dehry
Aug 21, 2009

Grimey Drawer
Replaced with an enhanced version in a few months.

In Training
Jun 28, 2008

waah posted:

How is that Tokyo Xanadub game that came out a coupe months ago?

It looked ugly and boring so i didn't buy it even though I love falcom

testtubebaby
Apr 7, 2008

Where we're going,
we won't need eyes to see.


Liver Disaster posted:

It's probably what's at the top of the 'recommended emulators' list, other probable goons have spent large periods of their empty lives testing these things so you don't have to.
The virtualboy emulator I played Jack Bros on used red/blue 3D glasses and it was really great, good roms are also a google search away play the sd gundam game too.

I'm lucky enough to have original hardware and carts, but I suppose that's a decent enough ay to play. I'd assume that an Oculus-customized emulator would be perfect and actually improve upon original hardware.

EPIC fat guy vids
Feb 3, 2011

squeak... squeak... SQUEAK!
Lipstick Apathy
Xanada is like TOCS in many ways except the combat is apparently not well made and the story is pretty generic. I have it but haven't had time to play it myself, mostly going from some reviews I watched

Liver Disaster
Mar 31, 2012

no more tears

zenintrude posted:

I'm lucky enough to have original hardware and carts, but I suppose that's a decent enough ay to play. I'd assume that an Oculus-customized emulator would be perfect and actually improve upon original hardware.

I haven't played on a virtual boy since they were still in stores! I definitely recommend the 3D glasses and television experience.

Beelerzebub
May 28, 2016

I came here to laugh at you.

Liver Disaster posted:

I haven't played on a virtual boy since they were still in stores! I definitely recommend the 3D glasses and television experience.

I feel really young now. I wasn't even born when they discontinued them.

Stanos
Sep 22, 2009

The best 57 in hockey.
I remember thinking it was cool as poo poo as I tried the store demo as a kid (which in retrospect was probably a prime germ vector) but then again I also owned an Atari lynx and played pit fighter on that frequently.

Liver Disaster
Mar 31, 2012

no more tears

Same except I played batman on a game.com.
Bad video game things never got nearly as much flak back then, and there were a lot more halfway decent options.

LuiCypher
Apr 24, 2010

Today I'm... amped up!

I have to retrieve my VB from my dad's house. I haven't tested it in years so something is probably wrong, but the only thing broken on it that I know of is the stand because my older brother is an idiot.

The Warioland game on the VB was extremely good.

Edit: I remember really, really wanting a game.com back in the day. If I had one, I would've had a collection of some truly broke-brain bad consoles.

LuiCypher fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Aug 11, 2017

Liver Disaster
Mar 31, 2012

no more tears

They're pretty reasonably priced on ebay because they are awful!
I wish the price on nib vitas would drop already, the microsd mod is out and I wanna hoard all my stuff on one vita instead of two.

testtubebaby
Apr 7, 2008

Where we're going,
we won't need eyes to see.


LuiCypher posted:

I have to retrieve my VB from my dad's house. I haven't tested it in years so something is probably wrong, but the only thing broken on it that I know of is the stand because my older brother is an idiot.

The Warioland game on the VB was extremely good.

Edit: I remember really, really wanting a game.com back in the day. If I had one, I would've had a collection of some truly broke-brain bad consoles.

Because the displays are mechanical (spinning mirrors) and the LED arrays are held together wth glue, one or both of the eyes will likely have issues. If you're good at soldering and aren't afraid to crack open old electronics, you can likely get it back in working order.

Beelerzebub
May 28, 2016

I came here to laugh at you.

zenintrude posted:

Because the displays are mechanical (spinning mirrors) and the LED arrays are held together wth glue, one or both of the eyes will likely have issues. If you're good at soldering and aren't afraid to crack open old electronics, you can likely get it back in working order.

The VB used spinning mirrors?

testtubebaby
Apr 7, 2008

Where we're going,
we won't need eyes to see.


Beelerzebub posted:

The VB used spinning mirrors?

Yup... its "display" is just a 224x1 LED array and a spinning mirror: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Boy_hardware

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DpoQbZPjfc

testtubebaby fucked around with this message at 21:06 on Aug 11, 2017

Crappy Jack
Nov 21, 2005

We got some serious shit to discuss.

Beelerzebub posted:

The VB used spinning mirrors?

You know those LED clocks where it's just a single bar of lights that make the time appear when you move it really fast? The Virtual Boy is basically one of those, it's a single red bar that uses spinning mirrors to appear as a 2D image.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



loving mirrors, how do they work?

TheCenturion
May 3, 2013
HI I LIKE TO GIVE ADVICE ON RELATIONSHIPS

Midjack posted:

loving mirrors, how do they work?

Gunpei Yokoi has whispered that to his sake every night for the last twenty years, poor guy.

ImpAtom
May 24, 2007

TheCenturion posted:

Gunpei Yokoi has whispered that to his sake every night for the last twenty years, poor guy.

That is a hell of a rough joke.

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Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



TheCenturion posted:

Gunpei Yokoi has whispered that to his sake every night for the last twenty years, poor guy.

holy poo poo

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