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JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS
I always turn down the 'free poo poo' because there always seems to be a bunch of time-consuming bullshit to go through before I actually get free poo poo.

"Sir, would you like a free set of giraffe spats with your purchase of helium and plastic bags?"

'Uhhh.. yeah, I guess'

"Great! <big fake smile> just fill out this application for our loyalty card/credit card/etc. and we'll send you a coupon for the giraffe spats"

And at that point I hate saying 'gently caress that, way too much bullshit', especially because I know the poor employees don't want to be pushing this poo poo either and they probably get penalized in some way for not getting enough applications or whatever.

If they're obviously just reaching under the counter and handing out free stuff, sure, I'll take it, but it never seems to work out that way so I automatically refuse everything.

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Starman Super DX
Oct 17, 2011

This title text is surprisingly sturdy.

JnnyThndrs posted:

I always turn down the 'free poo poo' because there always seems to be a bunch of time-consuming bullshit to go through before I actually get free poo poo.

"Sir, would you like a free set of giraffe spats with your purchase of helium and plastic bags?"

'Uhhh.. yeah, I guess'

"Great! <big fake smile> just fill out this application for our loyalty card/credit card/etc. and we'll send you a coupon for the giraffe spats"

And at that point I hate saying 'gently caress that, way too much bullshit', especially because I know the poor employees don't want to be pushing this poo poo either and they probably get penalized in some way for not getting enough applications or whatever.

If they're obviously just reaching under the counter and handing out free stuff, sure, I'll take it, but it never seems to work out that way so I automatically refuse everything.

Yeah exactly. This is why people have those ready-to-go responses to stuff that sounds free because they're predisposed to be suspicious of any situation where it sounds like someone is saying they can get something for nothing. I mean I know I don't agree to anything like that unless something tangible is literally being handed to me and then am explicitly told "take this and pay us nothing".
In my non-professional opinion I think it would make more sense to just hand people gift cards or coupons out of the blue, alluding to promises that they'll see more things like it if they sign up for the card or if their loyalty continues or whatever. It's better than immediately bombarding a new face with applications they need to sign in blood and triplicate so they can immediately "join our family" and get exclusive access to coupons & deals.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

Starman Super DX posted:

applications they need to sign in blood and triplicate so they can immediately "join our family" and get exclusive access to coupons & deals.

... especially since you always know that all that personal info you're giving them is the actual reason they're running the promo at all and you're guaranteed to get a ton of junk mail for the rest of time.

The "Go on the draw to win a new car!" promos you see at the mall are the most blatant versions of this but you always see people filling out those forms

Starman Super DX
Oct 17, 2011

This title text is surprisingly sturdy.

Snowglobe of Doom posted:

... especially since you always know that all that personal info you're giving them is the actual reason they're running the promo at all and you're guaranteed to get a ton of junk mail for the rest of time.

The "Go on the draw to win a new car!" promos you see at the mall are the most blatant versions of this but you always see people filling out those forms

Yeah I don't disagree with that. All I'm saying is that people would be less suspicious if it at least seemed as though they were getting more than they're actually putting in as opposed to being asked to put up their info immediately. That's just from my :devil: marketing perspective though

Sitting Here
Dec 31, 2007
ugh customers are the worst

I came into the hotel this morning at the tail end of a domestic violence issue. Dude was way off meds and was trying to barricade two women and a baby in their room. Lots of screaming, lots of threats to kill self. Cops came and hauled the dude out, I had to talk to a crying woman and tell her repeatedly that it wasn't her fault, she didn't cause this.

Hmm maybe I should bootstrap my way to Alaska and give this job to some 19 year old who doesn't give a gently caress and is just earning pocket money while they earn their STEM degree.

Arven
Sep 23, 2007

Zenithe posted:

Today we had a deal, you get 4 cents off the fuel price when you buy anything else.

We had a quick list drawn up of items that you could give the customers basically for free depending on how many litres they filled up with, and gently caress. About 75% of people declined.

Me: Hey, would you like thing for free with your fuel?

Them: No, because apparently I am not a fan of free things.

Corporate in a week: Hmm yes, customers neither want cheaper fuel, nor free things, hmmm.

You put way too much faith in people. It's a good thing everyone declined it, because it would have played out like this:

*Customer leaves with their free bag of peanuts, only to return 10 minutes later with the receipt in hand*

Them: "You said these peanuts were free! You charged me for them right here on my receipt!"

You: "They were free, the cost difference was taken out of your gas."

Them: "No it wasn't, it says right here the gas cost 34 dollars and the peanuts cost 89 cents!"

*this continues for 5 minutes as you try to explain, eventually the MOD comes by and refunds the idiot their 89 cents*

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
i would have just taken the free peanuts for myself when they refuse

kazr
Jan 28, 2005

Sitting Here posted:

Hmm maybe I should bootstrap my way to Alaska and give this job to some 19 year old who doesn't give a gently caress and is just earning pocket money while they earn their STEM degree.

You touch a life every day behind the counter of a smelly motel

Strudel Man
May 19, 2003
ROME DID NOT HAVE ROBOTS, FUCKWIT

kazr posted:

You touch a life every day behind the counter of a smelly motel
Sometimes you can get in trouble for it, though.

Sitting Here
Dec 31, 2007

kazr posted:

You touch a life every day behind the counter of a smelly motel

I wish it was a smelly motel because that would make it a lot less surprising when the clientele lose their minds (or the contents of their bladder or stomach). But it turns out even people who fly in private jets and make decisions that affect the lives of thousands of workers are pretty much joke monkeys like the rest of us. Really makes you think??

My favorite thing was when some CEO absconded with my coworker to go on a liquor run, came back, and started making cocktails on our front desk. Zested a lemon right there. He just wanted one drink though, so he left the rest of the bottle for my coworker and gave me an unopened bottle of red wine because I guess he felt bad about stealing my helper. CEO dude was just sad and lonely. Divorced, never saw his kids, the usual story. He just has the money to make his depression and alcoholism look a lot more fun.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
The world needs more stories of the quiet desperation of the hotel business.

WescottF1
Oct 21, 2000
Forums Veteran
This happened at a Buffalo Wild Wings near me:

http://rockrivertimes.com/2017/08/08/gay-server-denied-tip-for-not-loving-jesus/

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!
feed every christian to the lions

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Yawgmoth posted:

feed every christian to the lions

Even the woman who didn't get a tip?

limp_cheese
Sep 10, 2007


Nothing to see here. Move along.


I have a friend that used to be a waitress at Outback and nothing pissed her off more than working Sundays and have those Christian assholes leave her those fake 10 dollar bills that try to get her to join their church. Ironically leaving those things instead of a tip makes it so the server hates Chirstians and whatever church they belonged to.

Over There
Jun 28, 2013

by Azathoth
We had a waitress who was very rude and took our food order, then someone else brought out the food, and then they had to get our second round of drinks because homegirl was MIA. After about an hour she finally shows up with the check.

Does she deserve a tip?

Return Of JimmyJars
Jun 24, 2006

by FactsAreUseless

Over There posted:

We had a waitress who was very rude and took our food order, then someone else brought out the food, and then they had to get our second round of drinks because homegirl was MIA. After about an hour she finally shows up with the check.

Does she deserve a tip?

gently caress no. Anything less than stellar should be 0% and you should call the manager the next day AND leave a bad google/yelp review.

Hail Mr. Satan!
Oct 3, 2009

by zen death robot

Over There posted:

We had a waitress who was very rude and took our food order, then someone else brought out the food, and then they had to get our second round of drinks because homegirl was MIA. After about an hour she finally shows up with the check.

Does she deserve a tip?

Yes because our society decided we need to subsidize the restaurant owners by paying their employees' wages

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Return Of JimmyJars posted:

gently caress no. Anything less than stellar should be 0% and you should call the manager the next day AND leave a bad google/yelp review.

Ok, question

I've been getting cashiers reminding me to go "fill out a short survey" about my shopping experience (with a website on the receipt).

Do those surveys help/hurt the person? I did one and had to type in the code from the receipt so I assume they know who the cashier was.

I ask because I've heard that at some places anything less that a perfect 5 score will get an employee in trouble.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

spacetoaster posted:

Ok, question

I've been getting cashiers reminding me to go "fill out a short survey" about my shopping experience (with a website on the receipt).

Do those surveys help/hurt the person? I did one and had to type in the code from the receipt so I assume they know who the cashier was.

I ask because I've heard that at some places anything less that a perfect 5 score will get an employee in trouble.

No survey has ever helped anyone. All they do is get the cashier in trouble if they get less than a perfect score and are used as an easy way to deny raises. They are a plague.

Breadallelogram
Oct 9, 2012


frakeaing HAMSTER DANCE posted:

Yes because our society decided we need to subsidize the restaurant owners by paying their employees' wages

Arven
Sep 23, 2007

Detective No. 27 posted:

No survey has ever helped anyone. All they do is get the cashier in trouble if they get less than a perfect score and are used as an easy way to deny raises. They are a plague.

Yes, please only fill out surveys if you are going to give a perfect score. Or, conversely, if you had lovely service instead of not tipping your waiter just give them a not-perfect survey.

Barudak
May 7, 2007

I met with the surveymaker once while they were running through their data and boy they dont like it when you point out their data is completely useless because the numbers dont mean anything when everyone involved knows its rigged.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Arven posted:

Yes, please only fill out surveys if you are going to give a perfect score. Or, conversely, if you had lovely service instead of not tipping your waiter just give them a not-perfect survey.

if any employee is even vaguely competent, my review makes them seem like the reincarnation of Jesus.

Megillah Gorilla
Sep 22, 2003

If only all of life's problems could be solved by smoking a professor of ancient evil texts.



Bread Liar

Barudak posted:

I met with the surveymaker once while they were running through their data and boy they dont like it when you point out their data is completely useless because the numbers dont mean anything when everyone involved knows its rigged.

Like Ebay feedback, where anything other than perfect is treated like a negative review.

Detective No. 27
Jun 7, 2006

I rarely ever asked custumers to do surveys. I'm not a teacher, I have no business giving anyone homework.

Captain Yossarian
Feb 24, 2011

All new" Rings of Fire"
I will do a survey if I get free food at panda express out of it:shrug:

They don't actually check the stores or time so I just put in random poo poo lol

Coco Rodreguiz
Jan 12, 2007

Peckerhead isn't used enough as an insult if you ask me.
When I worked at Applebee's if you didn't have positive surveys you'd be reprimanded which just led everyone holding onto extra copies of the receipts and we all just did the surveys for each other.

Over There
Jun 28, 2013

by Azathoth
in my line of business the survey is everything to us and our managers. not sure how it is in retail though.

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

Over There posted:

in my line of business the survey is everything to us and our managers. not sure how it is in retail though.

:same:

We do high level Enterprise software stuff so surveys are a great way for our management to see comments like, "Jeff has no idea what he is doing", or "Todd is brilliant!" and "Jim was great to work with but your software is garbage and why won't you fix the bug I reported?"

If you score pretty well you get Amazon gift certificates at the end of the month.

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

Over There posted:

in my line of business the survey is everything to us and our managers.

do you work at a survey factory?

Over There
Jun 28, 2013

by Azathoth

ladron posted:

do you work at a survey factory?

You idiot.

It's all about the cloud now

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es

Over There posted:

You idiot.

It's all about the cloud now

a cloud factory?

OutOfPrint
Apr 9, 2009

Fun Shoe
My old call center's management had massive hard-ons for surveys. You could just imagine management's utter shock at how survey ratings cratered after they started giving every team, including technical support and loving retention, sales quotas.

Seriously, management didn't see the connection between the two. Customers would write in their post-call surveys, "Everything was good, but I don't like being sold to when I just want to reset my password," and yet the drop in survey ratings was entirely the agents' fault, not the policy's.

Over There
Jun 28, 2013

by Azathoth
We were just told today that we need to ask the clients for a 9 or 10. :spergin:

Bonzo
Mar 11, 2004

Just like Mama used to make it!

OutOfPrint posted:

My old call center's management had massive hard-ons for surveys. You could just imagine management's utter shock at how survey ratings cratered after they started giving every team, including technical support and loving retention, sales quotas.

Seriously, management didn't see the connection between the two. Customers would write in their post-call surveys, "Everything was good, but I don't like being sold to when I just want to reset my password," and yet the drop in survey ratings was entirely the agents' fault, not the policy's.

Way back in '08 I lost my job like most people due to the economy. My wife's job was also ending in 6 months so I was trying to scrape together every penny I could to keep my house. At the time I was a subscriber to Sirius radio paying something like $15 a month so that was one of the 1st expenses to go. Turns out they HATE loosing subscribers.

ME: Yes, I lost my job and I needs to cancel my subscription.
CSR: One moment while I transfer you to (retention)

retention: Sorry you have to cancel, may I ask why?
ME: The service is fine but I'm not out of work and need every penny I scrape up. Please cancel.
retention: Ok, well what if we offered you 6 months for only $40?
ME: Um...no thank you. Like I said, I lost my job and want to cancel
retention: Well how about 9 months for $55?
ME: Look. I may loose my house. Can you please cancel my subscription?
retention: Well how about me put it on hold for you?

It was allll I could do to not loose my poo poo.

AvesPKS
Sep 26, 2004

I don't dance unless I'm totally wasted.
Delivering pizzas is fun. One time I was making a delivery to a house and a kid, around 12 or 13, walks out the front door. He asks me how much the order is, pulls out the wad of money his parents obviously gave him to pay me, peels off a few dollars and pockets them, and hands me the exact amount of the total.

Another time I delivered to a nicer house with a Corvette out front, and a "Corvette Parking Only" sign on the garage. I had delivered there before and knew they weren't big tippers, so I wasn't expecting much. This time the bill is $22 or $23 something, and he hands me $25 and says to keep the change. I go to pocket the money and he sort of makes a motion you'd make if you were clinking coins in your hand and says "Oh no, I meant keep the change change. You know, the 35 cents or whatever it was. Thanks.

Another time I delivered to a guy who was 25 cents short. He told me he had to use the quarter to place the order. He also lived in a motel where some of the rooms had sheets hanging where the doors should be.

Then there was chicken coop. A concrete chicken coop in the middle of a field, where people lived. Driveway? Nope, just drive through the field. Doors and windows? Well there were holes in the wall but I wouldn't call them doors. It did have electricity, though, via extension cord. Oh, and they tipped better than the judge who lived a few miles away.


Did someone get paid money to write this? I think they used exuberant when they meant exorbitant.

OutOfPrint
Apr 9, 2009

Fun Shoe
Most retention teams have a quota on "saves," or stopping people from cancelling. If you try calling in at the end of the month and get someone behind their quota, they'll keep you on as long as possible, offering as much as they can, to stay with the service, and that's not even if they have a script of offers they're mandated to make. It's hosed up, pisses off customers, and can ruin a company's word of mouth.

Just like it did for my old company.

When I was 2nd level on the design team (supervisor responsibilities, 1st level pay, title, and job description), I instated a policy of: "Write in your notes I said you could cancel it and cancel it if they don't want it." Sometimes, the best customer service is to part ways on a good note so that the customer might come back or recommend us to other people.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

AvesPKS posted:

Delivering pizzas is fun.

How much sex did you have/get offered?

And I'll expand that question to everyone else too.

I observed a dude showing porn to a woman working at a store once and she was trying to be nice and laugh it off, but the dude was insistant about it. I was just wondering what kind of management does the place have where an employee will put up with that kind of harrassment.

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AvesPKS
Sep 26, 2004

I don't dance unless I'm totally wasted.

spacetoaster posted:

How much sex did you have/get offered?
From employees or customers? I got offered drugs and alcohol on several occasions. Once a drunk off duty cop offered me a beer when I was underage.

Once I delivered to a house full of drunk underage kids having a party. They were so drunk they couldn't remember what they ordered and thought it was wrong. They were starting to get violent so I basically had to throw my co worker who took the order under the bus to get out of there with my skin intact. They also offered me beer.

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