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ToxicSlurpee posted:That was a common theme in the series; a replicator could do "good enough" but couldn't fully make the real thing. If you asked a replicator for an apple pie you'd get a decent apple pie based on the rules of what an apple pie was. However, a real apple pie had variables. There's a pretty big difference between taking time to make a hand made apple pie and a machine just conjuring one into existence. It's the difference between home made and processed foods; machines can duplicate a process and make something that is good enough but a real apple pie just like grandma used to make kind of needs the grandma.
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"This apple pie and has a much more 'smooth' mid range of textures than your replicator swill. All in all I think it's worth the 58k credits,"
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ToxicSlurpee posted:That was a common theme in the series; a replicator could do "good enough" but couldn't fully make the real thing. If you asked a replicator for an apple pie you'd get a decent apple pie based on the rules of what an apple pie was. However, a real apple pie had variables. There's a pretty big difference between taking time to make a hand made apple pie and a machine just conjuring one into existence. It's the difference between home made and processed foods; machines can duplicate a process and make something that is good enough but a real apple pie just like grandma used to make kind of needs the grandma. Given real life examples couldn't you work around that? Like instead of having a replica blueprint for whiskey you'd have a blueprint for "Angus MacDuff's Single Malt Scotch Gold, aged 5 years" and so on and so on?
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Aug 7, 2017 01:21
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Here, I made this for the Star Trek thread, but it works here too: They're bitching about the lack of "authentic" food like current hipsters bitch about the lack of "artisanal" fixies.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:Given real life examples couldn't you work around that? Like instead of having a replica blueprint for whiskey you'd have a blueprint for "Angus MacDuff's Single Malt Scotch Gold, aged 5 years" and so on and so on? Everyone's too busy playing in the holodeck to spend time programming all that poo poo.
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WampaLord posted:Here, I made this for the Star Trek thread, but it works here too: Even Sisko admitted the organic tomatoes grown by the Maquis tastes better
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Mu Zeta posted:Even Sisko admitted the organic tomatoes grown by the Maquis tastes better Yes, you're making my point perfectly. Sisko is the type to get irrationally upset over some ruined peppers. He's a total 24th century cooking hipster.
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You're making me think about my all time favourite front page article. Blue Stripe: The Life and Times of a Replicator Repairman. I still laugh every single time I think about "Cubes started shooting out of it again."
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Aramek posted:You're making me think about my all time favourite front page article. That whole series is really great.
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Im always baffled whenever someone expresses the fact that they like something. A song, a movie, a book, a certain type of food, beaches, hiking, video games, etc. Like people are all "Oh I LOVE this thing!" and i'm like "the gently caress????" You actually like stuff? You enjoy stuff? The gently caress??????? How does that even work?
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Strudel Man posted:You know audiophiles? It's like that. it makes a little more sense if you think replicators are imperfect, like they're the dinky little home 3d printers that can marginally reproduce imitation 'i can't believe it's not delivery' tv dinner versions of whatever you want every day i'm sure it's not that bad but i could see home replicators being a downgraded version of better energy-matter converters that everyone just gets one of in their room to make instant soup, they probably use better poo poo for replicating replacement parts for the ship or whatever
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ToxicSlurpee posted:That was a common theme in the series; a replicator could do "good enough" but couldn't fully make the real thing. Is it ever specifically stated that replicators can't do that? Because I think it's just space hipsters practicing cooking as an art form and pretending their stuff is better to look cool.
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it totally could be but i'm sure you could also argue that trek humans have evolved past petty consumerism and the need to feel smug about having to consume artisan hand-crafted gourmet foods so people who make those comments are just genuinely observant or whatever vvv: plz friend i made a point of saying it could be a downsized home version of better tech, like for example the transporters they reserve a whole room for that also ideally need an engineer to operate, at least as long as those o'brien comics aren't canon hard counter has a new favorite as of 09:17 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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hard counter posted:it makes a little more sense if you think replicators are imperfect, like they're the dinky little home 3d printers that can marginally reproduce imitation 'i can't believe it's not delivery' tv dinner versions of whatever you want every day Given they routinely trust the transporter to reassemble every molecule of their brains, I'd say the technology is pretty darn good, and that people who complain about the food are just being pretentious.
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ITT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSBJPCR3Acg There is no way this machine doesn't produce pizza identical to a hand-made pie cooked by experienced chefs, why would they even make or install it if it offered an inferior product to what you can get at a fine dining establishment? If you disagree, you are just a hipster trying to make yourself look more interesting. 
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Given they routinely trust the transporter to reassemble every molecule of their brains, I'd say the technology is pretty darn good, and that people who complain about the food are just being pretentious. "The assembly rooms Intel uses to manufacture chips are perfectly sterile, that means there can't be food poisoning outbreaks from filthy food processing plants, the technology is there for manufacturing to take place in a perfectly enclosed and controlled environment." "I've seen industrial grade ovens make a perfect roast, I bet I could get the same results from an Easy Bake Oven, the oven technology is pretty adavanced after all" steinrokkan has a new favorite as of 09:18 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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It could be the factory settings on the replicators are not quite right and rather than adjust them they instead begin to grow their own potatoes.
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I was going to say who cares because it's just magic and does whatever the plot needs it to, but then I realized I probably spent longer sperging about stargate travel and zat guns. Speaking of, i'll dust off an old unpopular opinion and restate that stargate sg1 and atlantis are better space shows than star trek.
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lexx is the only good space show
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Lexx is the only german space show
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Star Trek is boring.
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Pretty sure the problem with the replicators is that when you have one make you a piece of apple pie you get the same piece of apple pie every time. No variation, no subtle differences, no tweaks on the recipe. Literally the same piece again and again. which could be loving solved by having like a few hundred slight variations on apple pie in the database or something
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We Know Catheters posted:Star Trek is boring. And ugly.
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Slime posted:Pretty sure the problem with the replicators is that when you have one make you a piece of apple pie you get the same piece of apple pie every time. No variation, no subtle differences, no tweaks on the recipe. Literally the same piece again and again. 'funnily' enough when current, modern people have these issues - identical data that needs to be randomised for encryption purposes - they use something called a 'salt'. Randomly generated information that modifies existing data, to encrypt it. Adding 'salt' to replicated food would make it more interesting.
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I would never get in a star trek style transporter. I don't care how identical the copy of me is, it doesn't change the fact that the me that is me is now dead. It's like cloning yourself and then committing suicide except faster.
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:I would never get in a star trek style transporter. I don't care how identical the copy of me is, it doesn't change the fact that the me that is me is now dead. It's like cloning yourself and then committing suicide except faster. It's like going to sleep and waking up. You're not the exact same you that you were last night and the concept of a continuously existing and unchanging "you" exists only in imagination.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:I was going to say who cares because it's just magic and does whatever the plot needs it to, but then I realized I probably spent longer sperging about stargate travel and zat guns. there's a lot of good sci fis like b5, farscape or the outer limits if you like anthology that someone might prefer over star trek yeah but i can sorta see why those shows were a little more niche than trek, i imagine people that liked sg1 still liked star trek well enough but the reverse might not be true steinrokkan posted:lexx is the only good space show alright if you liked lexx right away without learning first how to love it then i admit there are no other shows like it, sci fi or not Edgar Allen Ho posted:I would never get in a star trek style transporter. I don't care how identical the copy of me is, it doesn't change the fact that the me that is me is now dead. It's like cloning yourself and then committing suicide except faster. i think there was that one ep that showed that you were continuously aware during the whole transport experience, i don't know if that makes it better for you or not
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hard counter posted:there's a lot of good sci fis like b5, farscape or the outer limits if you like anthology that someone might prefer over star trek yeah but i can sorta see why those shows were a little more niche than trek, i imagine people that liked sg1 still liked star trek well enough but the reverse might not be true I'm probably in the minority but aside from certain parts of DS9 I just can't get into star trek. It's too slow and the action is too sporadic, and I have an irrational hatred of every holodeck episode, especially when they reenact sherlock holmes stuff in the one with picard. I'm probably in an even smaller minority in saying that my favorite star trek is the new movies. SG1 was faster paced (in general) and it didn't have the obnoxious "distant future utopia" where everyone generally gets along stuff star trek beats you over the head with. I did like farscape a lot but I'm not sure where I'd put it in my rankings of scifi shows. With things like stargate (not universe) I can watch it over and over (I'm well over 10 times for SG1 and maybe 5 or 6 for atlantis) and not get bored, but I haven't rewatched farscape even once despite really enjoying it.
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yeah I eat rear end posted:my favorite star trek is the new movies.
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Sunswipe posted:Huh. So you eat rear end and also talk out of it. I can't help what I enjoy. They are just more fun to watch.
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Do they ever do a holodeck episode involving pop culture from after the 20th century cause like 90% of the time it'd be reinacting stuff from the 1700-1900s
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Farscape is good in a weird way. If you can get past the puppets, meandering "story" and bizarre tone, there's some real gold there, like Crichton's relationship with Scorpius and Harvey.
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doverhog posted:Farscape is good in a weird way. If you can get past the puppets, meandering "story" and bizarre tone, there's some real gold there, like Crichton's relationship with Scorpius and Harvey. Even the puppets aren't that bad after you get used to them. Pilot for example is a pretty good character. I also like the part about the crackers.
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CRACKERS DON'T MATTER.
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doverhog posted:It could be the factory settings on the replicators are not quite right and rather than adjust them they instead begin to grow their own potatoes. I really like this idea that nobody's bothered to take the five minutes to run the calibration software in the history of starfleet.
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hard counter posted:i think there was that one ep that showed that you were continuously aware during the whole transport experience, i don't know if that makes it better for you or not to the transported body or to a third party there would be no way to tell that consciousness didn't transfer and the transported body is essentially a new person, because assuming atomic-level congruence it would be "born" with a lifetime of memories. but i strongly suspect that being disassembled and assembled elsewhere would cause the awareness that is "you" to end. the new one is a ship of theseus with all the parts of you except for you. i'm less sure about legitimate teleportation. Tiggum posted:It's like going to sleep and waking up. You're not the exact same you that you were last night and the concept of a continuously existing and unchanging "you" exists only in imagination. that's not even remotely similar and you're being obtuse for the sake of a metaphysical "whoa dude" Dross has a new favorite as of 01:34 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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I agree with dross Like yes "I" am a composite of mostly carbon and some other elements, but if you vaporize me and then precisely assemble the same exact atomic composition elsewhere, I'm pretty sure my consciousness is still gone and I'm functionally dead, from my own perspective. My perspective being the oblivion of death. There is still an identical simulacrum of me shitposting on intergalactic forums, but that is of little use to the previous, dead me, who will never experience the post-teleportation life that the new copy does.
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Dross posted:to the transported body or to a third party there would be no way to tell that consciousness didn't transfer and the transported body is essentially a new person, because assuming atomic-level congruence it would be "born" with a lifetime of memories. but i strongly suspect that being disassembled and assembled elsewhere would cause the awareness that is "you" to end. the new one is a ship of theseus with all the parts of you except for you. Wrong! You fool! There is an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation in which Lieutenant Barclay maintains consciousness during the transportation process, he maintains consciousness while he's inside the particle beam. That would not be possible if there wasn't some sort of unbroken chain of consciousness from being beamed up to arriving at your destination.
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Guy Goodbody posted:Wrong! You fool! There is an episode of Star Trek The Next Generation in which Lieutenant Barclay maintains consciousness during the transportation process, he maintains consciousness while he's inside the particle beam. That would not be possible if there wasn't some sort of unbroken chain of consciousness from being beamed up to arriving at your destination. again, the reconstructed me would not know the difference. edit: I'm mentally comparing it to vMotion, sort of. Dross has a new favorite as of 03:21 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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