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It looks like Mel's quest to get the Doctor to go on a carrot juice diet isn't over. I hope Chibnall is saving enough of these kinds of letters than he can wallpaper his office with them at some point.
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Bicyclops posted:It looks like Mel's quest to get the Doctor to go on a carrot juice diet isn't over. I hope Chibnall is saving enough of these kinds of letters than he can wallpaper his office with them at some point. The trouble there, is that PETA are godawful people.
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 16:31 |
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The_Doctor posted:The trouble there, is that PETA are godawful people. At last, something everyone can agree on!
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 16:33 |
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I once got spat at in the street by someone from peta for owning a gun dog
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 16:41 |
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One of them had a go at me once for fishing for compliments
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 17:11 |
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Meanwhile, over at the Doctor Who Experience...
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 17:37 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:Hypothetical: Lalla Ward
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 17:40 |
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2house2fly posted:One of them had a go at me once for fishing for compliments Are you sure you don't mean sea kittening for compliments?
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 17:45 |
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Bicyclops posted:It looks like Mel's quest to get the Doctor to go on a carrot juice diet isn't over. I hope Chibnall is saving enough of these kinds of letters than he can wallpaper his office with them at some point. The Doctor should be like PETA and show her love for all forms of life by euthanizing 400 dogs at the end of the season and dump them in a dumpster.
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 18:49 |
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Cojawfee posted:The Doctor should be like PETA and show her love for all forms of life by euthanizing 400 dogs at the end of the season and dump them in a dumpster. Joe Lidster: Hm... Intriguing idea...
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 18:55 |
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Bicyclops posted:Joe Lidster: Hm... Intriguing idea... And every single one of those dogs was a companion transformed into girl-dog hybrids (yes, even the men), in a very special collaboration with Philip Martin.
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 19:08 |
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CommonShore posted:The problem I have with the aviatrix costume is that it's a feminized version of a masculine style, a bit of a sex symbol (leather ), and my not at all influential judgement tells me that's the wrong way to go on this (i.e. it suggests too much that 13 is just a crossplay version of a male character). I was leaning towards the "Hat as Big as the Barren Field Where I Grow My Fucks" 1900-1910s ones, myself.
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 21:15 |
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CommonShore posted:It's still a fun idea for a costume, but this is why we need to keep English majors around We're useful! Occasionally!
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 21:18 |
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docbeard posted:And every single one of those dogs was a companion transformed into girl-dog hybrids (yes, even the men), in a very special collaboration with Philip Martin. They can bring back the aliens from Survival
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 21:19 |
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Apologies if repost: Slightly odd but well done 12 tribute video that's doing the rounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KkuPy3NkKE
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 22:25 |
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Bicyclops posted:Oh man, that is fantastic news, if only because it means somebody is looking into making some of the CD-only ones available digitally (I actually had to buy the disc for Her Final Flight). I'm sure it's kind of a labyrinth for them to even figure out who to ask if they're allowed to. Glad to see they're making an effort. Yeah, as a digital-only listener it's nice when things can make the jump from CD-only to the megabyte modem. The one I'm really hanging out for is the first series CC story with Three and the Cybermen. CommonShore posted:Ok! I'll throw some of the ideas I had out there, too! I would be incredibly down with something like this.
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 22:42 |
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Unfortunately the inevitable death threats a lady Dr who will receive will cut her tenure short
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 22:44 |
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corn in the bible posted:Unfortunately the inevitable death threats a lady Dr who will receive will cut her tenure short She is apparently not on social media at all so she might just make it.
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 23:41 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:BBC publicity still circa 1979 featuring the Fifth Doctor and her companion, Turlough: My all-time favourite Sapphire & Steel quote; Joanna Lumley on the set of Sapphire & Steel posted:"For gently caress's sake, I can't do this. I don't understand it. I really don't loving understand it."
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# ? Aug 9, 2017 23:43 |
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corn in the bible posted:Unfortunately the inevitable death threats a lady Dr who will receive will cut her tenure short Unfortunately, not being on Twitter is probably a smart move for her
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No social media is best social media. Yay for her!
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 00:20 |
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Astroman posted:I do agree that racism can happen unintentionally. I don't believe it happened here though. Give me an example of a time when a black person was portrayed in a negative light, as a villain or flawed character where you DIDN'T think it was racist (if you can)--and I'll show you how somebody, somewhere could argue it's racist. People can argue anything about anything. What's at stake here isn't "I think that is/isn't racist" but rather the framework within which that argument is made. A racist depiction of, say, three black brothers doesn't rely simply on someone being offended. It involves the ways in which the depiction reinforces pre-existing racial stereotypes about black men. In this instance, it's Steptoe and Son IN SPACE! For Talons, the operational stereotypes about Asians/the Chinese included a particular type of pigeon English, perfidiousness/inscrutability, a connection with laundries and opium dens, involvement of the Tongs/criminality, even stereotypical weaponry. Lightfoot has a firearm, but the Tong members are armed with weapons fitting their stereotype. Holmes clearly recognizes that these are stereotypes, but his one attempt to challenge them instead of reinforcing them, in the character of Chang, ends up being played by a white man in yellowface, while all the genuine Asian men are cast in the strictly stereotypical roles. Contrast with The End of Time. Naismith may not be the final villain, but he is A villain. He is not, however, reinforcing existing racial stereotypes about black men. He is wealthy; he appears to be a single father who dotes (albeit creepily) on his daughter; his ambition is to make her immortal. None of those things match the racial stereotypes at play. The character may not be drawn as well as he should be, and he certainly fits a different villainous stereotype, but he clearly departs from the associated racial one. If Naismith had been the one found in a junkyard and had scarfed down a lot of fried chicken, that would have matched certain racial stereotypes. The Master doing the same thing isn't racist. Is the difference clear enough between these examples?
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 00:57 |
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pgroce posted:It is. It doesn't offend me, but it sounds like what you are saying is the only way to combat racism is to make Doctor Who (and most other shows I guess) completely minority focused. And how do you do more representation--make every show minority majority cast? That doesn't seem practical, and I disagree that's the only way to fight stereotypes. I mean we're already watching a show with black companions, black Colonial soldiers, and black Romans, and we've come darn close to a black Doctor. But it's still a "horrible underrepresentation?" Gaz-L posted:This is a circular argument, dude. You're basically saying because opinions on this vary, that no opinions can be valid. And you've been VERY firm on the 'it's not racist if they didn't mean to be' train which is also a non-starter unless you actually believe, say, the Disney people went into Song Of The South thinking "Gosh, we should totally portray those n*****s in a foolish, subservient light to put them in their place!". Very few people THINK they're wrong or set out to hurt others. And as Bicyclops said, no-one is trying to say that one mistake makes Doctor Who into A Bad Show That Is Terrible And Racist Forever! Criticism of this type is not much different than saying the set design was poor or the editing disjointed, while still enjoying the other parts of an episode. Like, I've been watching Futurama again recently and good god is there some really iffy transphobic comedy in there that I found funny 15 years ago, but cringe at now, because I've matured and learned, and even actually know some trans people, so the tastelessness and meanness of those jokes now comes off as offensive. That does not mean that every other joke or episode of the series is worthless, just that you have to go "Yeah, that was pretty bad, if they did it now, maybe do something better", just like you would if you look at anything that has flaws. No, what I'm saying is it's possible to find offense or racism anywhere if you try hard enough, and not every one of those may be actually racist to any reasonable person.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 01:00 |
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Naismith thinks he can control the Master, making him stupid. A more intelligent man might have taken more precautions, or had the good sense to just shoot the Master on sight or avoid him altogether. Black people having statistically lower IQs than other races is a right wing talking point I've heard a million times.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 01:11 |
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2house2fly posted:Naismith thinks he can control the Master, making him stupid. A more intelligent man might have taken more precautions, or had the good sense to just shoot the Master on sight or avoid him altogether. Black people having statistically lower IQs than other races is a right wing talking point I've heard a million times. Not being as smart as a Time Lord supergenius is kind of a gimme for Doctor Who, he was certainly intelligent enough to see potential in the alien sciencemajig and get it mostly functional (with a full scientific team, but hey, he's business clever not science clever). Having him shunted off to the side with zero ceremony in favour of a pair of white villains is bad, though.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 01:41 |
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Astroman posted:No, what I'm saying is it's possible to find offense or racism anywhere if you try hard enough, and not every one of those may be actually racist to any reasonable white person. Fixed that for you
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Murderion posted:Not being as smart as a Time Lord supergenius is kind of a gimme for Doctor Who, he was certainly intelligent enough to see potential in the alien sciencemajig and get it mostly functional (with a full scientific team, but hey, he's business clever not science clever). Not too sure overall about the imagery of a black man being humiliatingly bested by a white man who uses the words "master race" tbh
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 01:58 |
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I just realized how true this thread title is, sadly.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 02:16 |
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Narsham posted:People can argue anything about anything. What's at stake here isn't "I think that is/isn't racist" but rather the framework within which that argument is made. A racist depiction of, say, three black brothers doesn't rely simply on someone being offended. It involves the ways in which the depiction reinforces pre-existing racial stereotypes about black men. In this instance, it's Steptoe and Son IN SPACE! Steptoe and Son weren't black though? Oh, Wikipedia says Sanford and Son was based off Steptoe and Son, and they were black. Did you mean Sanford and Son? Though I wouldn't call that a black stereotype, especially since in the UK the same characters were white. I doubt that anyone disagrees that institutional racism and unintentional racism exist. We're all Woke as hell. The disagreement is that we don't see it in Journey to the Center of the Tardis. "Working class salvage crew in space" is in no way a black stereotype, much less a negative stereotype. Some folks reframe it as "carjackers in space" but there is no carjacking of any kind so that's not even a stretch, it's a flat out fabrication. They let their sibling rivalry get out of hand in a big way, but that also isn't a black stereotype. These men aren't criminals. They are scrappers. Recyclers. That is objectively a good and valuable contribution to society. They are rough working class fellows, but there is nothing wrong with that. Yeah, when they find themselves in a bizarre situation their behavior is not exemplary, but that's true of like half the one off characters of in the show. There is nothing in the episode to be indignant about. There is no racism, no injustice here.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 02:18 |
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I don't normally give a fig one way or the other about cosplay, but that is simply adorable.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 02:33 |
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Pesky Splinter posted:My all-time favourite Sapphire & Steel quote; You know who also apparently didn't understand it? P.J. O'Hammond, the creator and writer of the show. That's pretty trippy.
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Facebook Aunt posted:I doubt that anyone disagrees that institutional racism and unintentional racism exist. We're all Woke as hell. The disagreement is that we don't see it in Journey to the Center of the Tardis. "Working class salvage crew in space" is in no way a black stereotype, much less a negative stereotype. Some folks reframe it as "carjackers in space" but there is no carjacking of any kind so that's not even a stretch, it's a flat out fabrication. They let their sibling rivalry get out of hand in a big way, but that also isn't a black stereotype. This is what I've been trying to say all along, but far less concisely.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:24 |
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I listened to the Carrionite episode of Classic Doctors, New Monsters Vol 2 and I am so, so, so thrilled that they realized the joy of having the Sixth Doctor do battle with creatures who consider extensive vocabularies a powerful weapon
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:21 |
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https://twitter.com/gallifreyboi/status/895056061912293377
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:37 |
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David Tennant rules
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:42 |
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Jerusalem posted:David Tennant rules What does he know about Doctor Who?
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:43 |
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bobkatt013 posted:What does he know about Doctor Who? He isn't even the best Doctor in the family!
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 07:40 |
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Astroman posted:This is what I've been trying to say all along, but far less concisely. No it's not. You were trying to say (and did say) this: Astroman posted:
which is the more offensive and and ridiculous version.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 13:38 |
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Also the thing about racism requiring malicious intent, which is just amazingly off.
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Judi Dench should have been the Doctor.
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