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actually its really cool to alienate all new people
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bump_fn posted:actually its really cool to alienate all new people
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 03:51 |
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18 year old venom snake: you can tell when the workers own the means of production because they make really ground ground effect vehicles for deliver nuclear payloads over large but flat bodies of water
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 03:53 |
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god I hope this poo poo is sorted by the time of the next east bay meeting
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 03:54 |
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I wanna welcome Berniecrats/social democrats to DSA. This article started to make me think social democracy is not workable long-term, though. If you don't destroy the capitalist class they will fight you forever.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 03:56 |
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i just like being mean to venom snake anyway, vs, Venom Snake posted:Is there a school of socialism thats fine going for democratic reform but wouldn't be upset if the revolution happened tomorrow as well cause it would mean I wouldn't need to go to work
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 03:59 |
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i'm glad that nobody in this thread is in leadership because the goon caucus would destroy the DSA in 3 weeks
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:00 |
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Venom Snake posted:I mean iv always been sympathetic to leftist stuff but I'm also 21 and what I knew about socialism was "the USSR had cool military stuff oh and economic reform is cool to I guess" up until a few months ago when my life got a very rude awakening poo poo, I was a full on Hillaryman right up to November 8th. The me of a year ago would probably consider the present me a nutjob.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:01 |
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Business Gorillas posted:i'm glad that nobody in this thread is in leadership because the goon caucus would destroy the DSA in 3 weeks IM ACTUALLY DANNY AND IM A FED UR ALL BUSE\TRED
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:01 |
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R. Mute posted:i just like being mean to venom snake You've explained it pretty well. I would be totally okay with an end of the capitalist system so yeah I think I do fall on the end of democratic socialist end of the spectrum. For comedys sake I'll say because of all the dwarf fortress I play I'm a Houxist
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:02 |
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bump_fn posted:did the tea party have this dumb poo poo infighting no i think charles koch and david koch were on the same page for the most part
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:02 |
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*looks at how every leftist group in the past 50 years has self-segregated into irrelevance* have we considered... purging our membership of people that aren't committed enough to class warfare?
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:04 |
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Goblins are revisionists, all dwarves will sleep in one communal dirt bedroom while we spend all our resources on building elaborate traps
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:04 |
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thinking face emeoji
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:05 |
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Howard Zinn posted:With the Establishment's inability either to solve severe economic problems at home or to manufacture abroad a safety valve for domestic discontent, Americans might be ready to demand not just more tinkering, more reform laws, another reshuffling of the same deck, another New Deal, but radical change. Let us be Utopian for a moment so that when we get realistic again it is not that "realism" so useful to the Establishment in its discouragement of action, that "realism" anchored to a certain kind of history empty of surprise. Let us imagine what radical change would require of us all. I don't necessarily agree with 100% of Zinn here, but I think it's important we be utopian to some degree with our socialism.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:08 |
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imo the big problem with social democracy where you stop at an expanded welfare state but leave capitalism and the capitalist class intact is that it's unsustainable because capital can and will constantly try to destroy it as evidenced in like a zillion cases
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:10 |
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social democracy is an artifact of the pre-globalised world, which very existence relies on outsourcing as much of the misery inherent in the capitalist system to colonies/the non-western world. so it doesn't work and it shouldn't work
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 04:16 |
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hi just reminding u that cops are bad but liars are worse ChickenOfTomorrow has issued a correction as of 05:10 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:hi
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 05:08 |
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see my edit
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 05:10 |
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platzapS posted:I wanna welcome Berniecrats/social democrats to DSA. This article started to make me think social democracy is not workable long-term, though. If you don't destroy the capitalist class they will fight you forever. the ghost of lenin descends to tell you bourgeois democracy is no way to destroy the capitalist class Business Gorillas posted:*looks at how every leftist group in the past 50 years was COINTELPRO'd into irrelevance*
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 05:27 |
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Venom Snake posted:18 year old venom snake: you can tell when the workers own the means of production because they make really ground ground effect vehicles for deliver nuclear payloads over large but flat bodies of water 27 year old SEX HAVER: you can tell when the workers own the means of production because they put really cool ground effects on their buckwild Yugo 4x4s
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 05:27 |
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https://twitter.com/RIPMarkusJ/status/895463916117020673
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R. Guyovich posted:the ghost of lenin descends to tell you bourgeois democracy is no way to destroy the capitalist class I'm agreeing with you!
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bump_fn posted:did the tea party have this dumb poo poo infighting i see you're new to this whole leftism thing
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 05:59 |
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platzapS posted:I'm agreeing with you! you are not agreeing with me with the correct dialectic, thus you must be purged
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:05 |
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Agnosticnixie posted:Yes, this is very clever and hasn't been discussed for the past 10 pages even from an libcom perspective. i'm not trying to pretend anything, i'm saying that "abolish the police" sounds loving insane if you don't back it up with anything
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Yinlock posted:i'm not trying to pretend anything, i'm saying that "abolish the police" sounds loving insane if you don't back it up with anything good thing, when it came up, Praxis had a huge list of concrete suggestions to back it up with I'm sure you've read
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:16 |
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Business Gorillas posted:*looks at how every leftist group in the past 50 years has self-segregated into irrelevance* then afterwards purge everyone who doesn't agree with my specific notion of what class warfare entails and then purge anyone who likes orange popsicles because gently caress those guys seriously
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:16 |
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Minty posted:good thing, when it came up, Praxis had a huge list of concrete suggestions to back it up with I'm sure you've read "if you just read the website"
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:16 |
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Yinlock posted:"if you just read the website" "if you just read the proposal you were voting on"
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:20 |
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Minty posted:"if you just read the proposal you were voting on" im a dirty foreigner so this doesn't really apply to me but im genuinely interested in the dsa and really hope they succeed, the only contribution i can make is bad posts
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:24 |
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it's ok to be new to this but you shoudl really read up if you want to argue w/ people actually doing this poo poo.
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:32 |
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the "just read the website" is fallacious because the Clinton campaign did very little campaigning on any policy proposals listed on the website, so the connection between her and those policies were tenuous - intentionally so to keep from alienating those suburban Republicans you are seeing a now adopted DSA goal which was voted on at the convention, based on material published for the convention, and refusing to get past your knee jerk reaction to it to understand what it says imo the two do not seem equivalent
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:34 |
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Minty posted:you are seeing a now adopted DSA goal which was voted on at the convention, based on material published for the convention, and refusing to get past your knee jerk reaction to it to understand what it says because on it's surface it's very misleading, like quote:Additionally, we must connect to anti-racist groups both internally and beyond DSA to explore nationally-backed local campaigns for: these are all extremely good, but don't really come to mind anywhere when you say "abolish the police"
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:36 |
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Yinlock posted:because on it's surface it's very misleading, like well, poo poo, "abolish capitalism" is very misleading if all you advocate for are labor rights short term goals service the larger goal, and the ultimate goal keeps you from losing your way to pragmatism Minty has issued a correction as of 06:41 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Raskolnikov38 posted:think of it as abolishing the police as they currently exist
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:39 |
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see that's much better. thank you
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# ? Aug 10, 2017 06:41 |
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Minty posted:well, poo poo, "abolish capitalism" is very misleading if all you advocate for are labor rights What's an example of something that is pragmatic and helps the proletariat in the short term but undermines the long-term struggle?
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