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monster on a stick posted:"Randomly" = 2% chance of it happening. Isn't there a new class that can detonate explosives, or does that only work on environmentals?
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Heffer posted:Isn't there a new class that can detonate explosives, or does that only work on environmentals? As far as they've revealed, it only works on environmentals and their secondary Claymore weapon.
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I am also disappointed that they didn't re-introduce the blobs from The Bureau.
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monster on a stick posted:I am also disappointed that they didn't re-introduce the blobs from The Bureau. Silacoids are from the OG Xcom. http://www.ufopaedia.org/index.php/Silacoid Heavy armored melee only unit that spreads fire where it moves sounds just like what we need in XCom 2.
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XCOM developer: "Why is nobody equipping hazmat vests?" Other XCOM developer: "I have an idea"
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Fangz posted:I wonder if Lost will engage with unactivated Advent or not, and vice versa. I think its a distinct possibility. Like how unactivated Berserkers beat the poo poo out of other Advent sometimes.
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Zore posted:I think its a distinct possibility. I love squad sighting a Berserker only to have it decimate some ADVENT for me 
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Fangz posted:I wonder if Lost will engage with unactivated Advent or not, and vice versa. I think they've more or less said that this is exactly what happens. Like the pods might not actively seek each other out when out of player LOS (can't have the mission solving itself after all), but any player-activated Lost and Advent pods will totally see each other as fair game.
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temple posted:Should wait for the expansion before getting this or get it now? At this point I'd wait
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Bundle Stars has it for $20 with coupon: https://www.bundlestars.com/en/game/xcom-2 I'm not sure it will go on sale for much less closer to WotC release.
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EDIT: drat it looks like the additional 15% off voucher code for Greenman Gaming no longer works. You can still preorder a copy on GMG for like $34 but there are no additional discounts that I can find.
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Cream-of-Plenty posted:EDIT: drat it looks like the additional 15% off voucher code for Greenman Gaming no longer works. You can still preorder a copy on GMG for like $34 but there are no additional discounts that I can find. Enhanced Steam says: "Current Lowest Price: 30,64€ at WinGameStore after coupon code pcgames5off"
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monster on a stick posted:Bundle Stars has it for $20 with coupon: https://www.bundlestars.com/en/game/xcom-2 Thank you m'goon!
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Eh, fire damage and lots of AOE does sound rough, but let's face it: We want a challenge. As long as they're more tough than they are frustrating, I'm all for it. Though yes, it is pretty hilarious how this would seem to continue the trend of swords being strictly inferior to shotguns.
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mind meld was only a joke because they could only mind meld other sectoids god save me from mind melted mutons
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Bring back Mechtoids. Make them a player unit like the Skirmishers. Backhand posted:Eh, fire damage and lots of AOE does sound rough, but let's face it: We want a challenge. As long as they're more tough than they are frustrating, I'm all for it. The Fleche ability in the Long War Perk Pack goes a long way to making me care about swords, and it would be awesome if they updated the default Ranger ability to do the same thing.
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I beat base game for first time on Veteran, moved up to commander. Well, lets just say a lot of brave men died this day.
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Soothing Vapors posted:mind meld was only a joke because they could only mind meld other sectoids Its going to make snipers even more valuable since a lucky crit shot will take out two mobs instead of one.
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What made me want to play the game was this playthrough on legend ironman. 0 deaths. This guy is the luckiest mfer in the world. People accuse him of hacks in the comments.
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Sylink posted:I beat base game for first time on Veteran, moved up to commander. Well, lets just say a lot of brave men died this day. Between vanilla, WotC, and LW2, you're gonna have 3 options for playing XCOM2 in the near future. I'd totally recommend giving LW2 on Veteran or even Rookie a shot before re-playing vanilla, by the way, if you're open to that sorta change of pace.
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Darkrenown posted:I hear Sparks are getting some updates in WotC, but have they been detailed anywhere? I think its just improved health and armor so that they can tank shots a lot better. Also improved aim since it's dumb for a robot to have such lovely aim.
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http://steamcommunity.com/games/268500/announcements/detail/1440442886466647497 Some extra details about bonds between troops.
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I want it work with SPARKs, so Fry and Bender can be best buds forever
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Darkrenown posted:I hear Sparks are getting some updates in WotC, but have they been detailed anywhere? Just buffs to health/aim as well as moddable guns. All of which should be more than enough to make them really good. Moddable weapons alone gets rid of their ammo issues and lets you slap on scopes for up to +15 aim im addition to the buffed base. And they already have extremely high base damage on their guns. They cannot bond like human soldiers though because Jake is a monster Zore fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Aug 9, 2017 |
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SPARKs should have good hack values because they are goddamn robots.
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Nah. SPARKs should be a bit more effective as a jack of trades robot and I'm glad they're making buffs in that respect, but they shouldn't be able to wholesale replace a class. The fact that they can fill in for a Specialist's mission saving ability of hacking the objective from a distance is good enough.
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Soothing Vapors posted:mind meld was only a joke because they could only mind meld other sectoids To be fair, the mind-meld could also buff MEC-toids as well which was annoying because it gave the MEC-toid an ablative HP shield. Of course that was a bit of a "minor" mind-meld since killing the Sectoid didn't kill the MEC-toid as well.
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Has there been any word on WotC difficulty overall? Like, I beat Ironman Veteran, but can't beat Ironman Commander base game. Would Veteran be doable or should I drop to Rookie?
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Never drop to Rookie.
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anatoliy pltkrvkay posted:Never drop to Rookie. misterbibs just gasped in horror.
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Exposure posted:Nah. SPARKs should be a bit more effective as a jack of trades robot and I'm glad they're making buffs in that respect, but they shouldn't be able to wholesale replace a class. The fact that they can fill in for a Specialist's mission saving ability of hacking the objective from a distance is good enough. The both new XCOMs feel like they've really struggled to place the robot classes - in the originals they were there as an ablative HP platform that would never improve but which used sensibly could keep your rookies a bit more alive and only cost money to replace. Firaxis kept the 'not as good as a veteran human' bit but without the mass attrition of the originals and with much much tighter resource constraints they're just a sub-optimal choice. In XCOM2 SPARKS literally cost more than a human recruit, you should get more for your investment than not-quite-as-good-grenadier with a gremlin. The left skill tree should have cool firearms based poo poo like squadsight-suppression, the right skill tree should take Wrecking Ball as a starting point and turn your SPARK into a room-breaching murder blade machine which punches out Sectopods.
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Alchenar posted:The both new XCOMs feel like they've really struggled to place the robot classes - in the originals they were there as an ablative HP platform that would never improve but which used sensibly could keep your rookies a bit more alive and only cost money to replace. Firaxis kept the 'not as good as a veteran human' bit but without the mass attrition of the originals and with much much tighter resource constraints they're just a sub-optimal choice. EW MECs were complete murder-shithouses and you should have gotten one ASAP
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Yeah. And while SHIVs were solid-but-boring in the vanilla game, they were terrific early game tanks in Long War thanks to being expendable and not hindered by the Fatigue mechanic. They lost value over time as your veterans gradually outpaced them, and you never ever wanted to rely on them too heavily for just that reason, but I'd argue that's how it should be.
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Backhand posted:Yeah. And while SHIVs were solid-but-boring in the vanilla game, they were terrific early game tanks in Long War thanks to being expendable and not hindered by the Fatigue mechanic. They lost value over time as your veterans gradually outpaced them, and you never ever wanted to rely on them too heavily for just that reason, but I'd argue that's how it should be. Shiv were never not extremely useful, having mobile cover that can suppress enemies was basically a get out of free card for my soldiers in some of the most dire situations.
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