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i just hate how forgivable his kit is to dive and escape step 1: charge punch into some squishy in the middle of the enemy team step 2: uppercut and leap away back to safety. the worst part is theres no defense that can stop him from smashing a squishy other than there being no geometry behind you or having a tank somehow able to reactively body block
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Doomfist is awesome, actually. Also use your ears nerds, his fist has a very noticeable audio cue when charging up.
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Aug 10, 2017 07:19
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I mean, it sounds like a bad porn as he's grunting
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Aug 10, 2017 07:23
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also lol "divinely intuiting" that sneaky one-shot punch man is going to sneak up and punch you this is why i'm always saying that Blizzard needs to put more emphasis on predictive rather than reactive counterplay, people act like it's black magic and not just a basic part of good game sense
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Aug 10, 2017 07:25
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Doomfist is awesome, actually. *jet engine whine, increasing in volume* Hrrnghh!! Arghhh!!!!
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Aug 10, 2017 07:41
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Snazzy Frocks posted:i just hate how forgivable his kit is to dive and escape there is one thing you can do to stop his smash: stun him I've had a lot of fun with mccree since doomfist went live since you can clown on him pretty hard. roadhog can do it too but tbh you're not gonna win that fight as often as you'd think if the doomfist isn't an idiot
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Aug 10, 2017 07:43
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who wore it better? *pic of launch earth spirit, pic of doomfist*
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Aug 10, 2017 07:43
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Play Orisa, ruin Doomfist's day.
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Aug 10, 2017 08:13
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SKULL.GIF posted:There wasn't any possible counterplay in the world aside from divinely intuiting that Doomfist was behind that wall and was charging up his fist. Beyond the sound of a jet engine spooling up in your immediate vicinity. For a while I didn't connect that sound with impending doom but now I just fuckin jump sideways if I'm in the open or I just don't haul around corners with that noise behind them. Similar to the dry-firing symmetra sound/her shield floating through the air or the sandbags-on-wood-floor sound of reaper/mccree stomping around.
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Aug 10, 2017 08:27
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World Famous W posted:Play Orisa, ruin Doomfist's day. Orisa goes one of two ways, either she crumples instantly as you bat her out from behind her shield and throw her around like a ragdoll or she positions correctly and remains untouched all game because god knows nobody on your team's gonna take down that shield in QP.
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Aug 10, 2017 09:09
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Macaluso posted:I would like Lucioball more if the ball behaved correctly. As it is like half the time the ball won't go where your ability should send it, instead opting for like directly to your side or even behind you somehow. Also the jump pads feel almost like a hindrance than anything. Rocket League this aint To be fair you can jump from pad to pad for a speed boost.
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Aug 10, 2017 09:34
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FAUXTON posted:Beyond the sound of a jet engine spooling up in your immediate vicinity. For a while I didn't connect that sound with impending doom but now I just fuckin jump sideways if I'm in the open or I just don't haul around corners with that noise behind them. Similar to the dry-firing symmetra sound/her shield floating through the air or the sandbags-on-wood-floor sound of reaper/mccree stomping around. I'm always amused that these two were in Blackwatch. I guess it's a stealth mission if no one is left alive, right?
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Aug 10, 2017 10:25
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I've gotten nothing but sprays and duplicate voice lines in boxes for six months now. 
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Aug 10, 2017 13:05
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He's still better than Hanzo.
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Wow, Lucio cup sure is swingy. 2956 -> 2614 after losing a game 4-5.
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Yeah my downswing came after a few ounces of whiskey, but it wasn't me I swear! there was nothing I could do to stop the onslaught. Also, the 2500 range is full of people that say "NO GET OUT OF GOALIE" after someone gets scored on once. Then they proceed to get stomped. They don't realize that they did well at keeper once because of good midfield control.
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*hears CLOMP CLOMP CLOMP nGAAAAH REEEAGH only thru conflict may we evolve VREEEEEEEEEEEEE from around a corner* *still walks around the corner, alone, with no teammates, and gets rocket punched* gently caress this character, please nerf, counterplay impossible Sade fucked around with this message at 15:56 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 15:49
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Wait, Doomfist was in blackwatch? When did this get revealed?
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Aug 10, 2017 15:52
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mcbexx posted:Wow, Lucio cup sure is swingy. 2956 -> 2614 after losing a game 4-5. regular comp isn't swingy enough. They probably turned off "grind mode" for lucioball comp since it's a time limited event
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Aug 10, 2017 16:02
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Dietrich posted:Wait, Doomfist was in blackwatch? When did this get revealed? He wasn't.
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Kassoon posted:regular comp isn't swingy enough. They probably turned off "grind mode" for lucioball comp since it's a time limited event Or things swing because the ranking engine has no idea what the entire population's rank should be and the average is moving rapidly as people get better. Regular comp is 95% static except the average moves slowly up as mediocre players get better and bad players leave (this means your rating gets worse if you don't keep up).
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Aug 10, 2017 16:07
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Dietrich posted:Wait, Doomfist was in blackwatch? When did this get revealed? Edgelord and McCree duh
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headcase posted:Or things swing because the ranking engine has no idea what the entire population's rank should be and the average is moving rapidly as people get better. mmr is supposed to start swingy and gradually get less so as confidence increases. Confidence and mmr should decay daily or weekly to ensure users don't get stuck for too long in unfair matches when they're having a particularly good/bad day. Blizzard has a "SR" system that slowly lerps you towards your internal mmr to increase the number of matches you have to play, and also have no confidence decay. There's a pseudo "mmr decay" above diamond, but it only adjusts your SR. I've taken several long breaks from comp and every time I return after "decaying" I still get matched up against masters.
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Aug 10, 2017 16:22
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my facebook is filling up with people posting pictures of their little shitheads going off to school so I guess that means I can start having fun in overwatch again
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Kassoon posted:mmr is supposed to start swingy and gradually get less so as confidence increases. Confidence and mmr should decay daily or weekly to ensure users don't get stuck for too long in unfair matches when they're having a particularly good/bad day. Blizzard has a "SR" system that slowly lerps you towards your internal mmr to increase the number of matches you have to play, and also have no confidence decay. There's a pseudo "mmr decay" above diamond, but it only adjusts your SR. I've taken several long breaks from comp and every time I return after "decaying" I still get matched up against masters. The way I see it is you made your MMR number when the average player was worse. When return to comp from a long break, you are getting whooped by people you consider below your level. This is because the rating is a relative scale, and you have become relatively worse compared to an average player. It takes a while for MMR to adjust down, so you are still getting weird matchups. I say this because I'm in the same boat on a smaller scale. (Edited for clarity) headcase fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Aug 10, 2017 16:38
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The point is that there is no grind to get your magical arbitrary number "back to where it should be." Blizzard isn't artificially making it it slow to force you to play more games. The only grind is getting better at winning games and beating better opponents no matter what your allies are like.
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I read your edit, I'm not sure where you saw me saying "I'm losing to people below my one true rank." My winrate is 55%, the point is that the system doesn't know yet after a break. I only brought up my rank as an example of false decay. In most mmr systems, when a user is not playing, the system has no idea if they're getting better or worse so confidence % decreases. When they are playing, it increases. MMR also decays over time, since if a player is getting rusty over a break (the more common outcome) you want to quickly adjust them to their accurate level rather than subjecting them to a huge win or loss streak, since that increases your user bounce rate. There was a poster in the whining thread just last week that had a 25 loss streak, as a person that works on MMR systems for a living that would be a completely unacceptable. His confidence% should have decayed and his matchups should have been much swingier for the first 5 or so matches as it figured out where he was at. The SR system is an artificial grind. You can see it when players are at gold, getting matched against plats/diamonds, and their SR increases by 60 on a win and decreases by 20 on a loss. Their SR is not at their MMR so the system is lerping them artificially slowly towards it. The win/loss streak system they had before was a bandaid fix, but they even got rid of that. Presumably because their data shows that whales going on huge streaks buy more boxes or something.
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Aug 10, 2017 18:14
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Worst time for those five free loot boxes. Oh boy, generic items. 
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I always interpreted the lerping to be based on your individual contribution to that match. How much of the load you carried. If it's purely just trying to seek some more stable MMR, that makes comp feel so pointless. Hopefully at least your MMR would also seek you SR when there is distance between them.
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Sorry friend, Blizzard makes grind games. Either that's okay with you or it's not v v, just play for fun. Comp will EVENTUALLY put you at an accurate rank, but it will take 50+ matches. More if you're only playing a few games per day, since you're likely doing better/worse each day.SR is just a display number, it has no matchmaking function. If you watch a gm streamer on a new smurf account you'll see them getting put into diamond/masters games despite their display SR being plat. It just goes by quickly because they're playing 30 or so matches every day. There is no way to accurately tell how much of a contribution an individual is making to a match other than their win/loss rate against players at a given skill level. Jeff has said they make small tweaks to your MMR based on your performance relative to other players on that particular hero, buuut that's also a mistake and not how MMR systems traditionally work. However it means if you're carrying as Doomfist it won't necessarily know since you're being compared to every other Doomfist and not your teammates. It's also maybe the cause of the "Mercy Main" phenomenon where players that only play Mercy hit masters despite having a 48%-50% winrate, because their heal stats are high relative to other players.
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Sade posted:*hears CLOMP CLOMP CLOMP nGAAAAH REEEAGH only thru conflict may we evolve VREEEEEEEEEEEEE from around a corner* im loving that a deaf guy posted doomfist fisting dudes around corner is bullshit and everyone tells him to listen harder lol dumb rear end zenyatta should've just cupped his hand around his ears to listen up: https://gfycat.com/SatisfiedFoolishCowbird the things that bug me about the hero: wall slam damage bonus is just dumb. his ult charges insanely quickly. I can suicide dive onto point with ult, use abilities twice, and already have another ult charged if I actually manage to hit everything. combined with how straight forward powerful the ult is, it's really dumb imo. the genji/tracer effect of being really difficult to track in melee, but unlike those heroes he isn't squishy and he's got a strong mix of both forward AND vertical momentum on top of wanting to be right in your face, meaning you need to do a lot of high speed flick spins to keep up which is really difficult if you keep your sens super low. he's really fun to play as in a "drat this feels overpowered and I'm killing people before they can react" way. but he feels like supreme garbage to play against especially if you're a "squishy" hero, aka anything with less than 250 health. he needs more than one weakness (a pharah) or less distance on charge or a weaker ultimate or something, not sure what. maybe they'll go the roadhog route of just completely gutting him and making another new hero. Minera fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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Minrad posted:dumb rear end zenyatta should've just cupped his hand around his ears to listen up: https://gfycat.com/SatisfiedFoolishCowbird Dumb rear end Zenyatta tried to approach the entire enemy team by himself, without even joining his nearby Reinhardt, while Widow's infra-sight was active.
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Minrad posted:im loving that a deaf guy posted doomfist fisting dudes around corner is bullshit and everyone tells him to listen harder lol i mean it sucks for that guy but if you're deaf you're not really a good basis for balance considerations and his post specifically mentions that it's not just him struggling with it
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i also like how everyone is just 'lol just listen for the jet engine and grunting ya dummy' when in most cases everything can be completely quiet and he walks around with his team around the corner, locks eyes with you, and charges up his fist for all of 1 second and deletes you all the same even if youre moving around with your team
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Aug 10, 2017 19:18
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the audio cue for the punch could be a lot better
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Aug 10, 2017 19:19
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lol dont get hooked idiot lol stop getting flashbanged and fanned stop letting soldier shoot you, it's easy just kill the genji.... it could not be simpler
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I've clowned on every zenyatta I've faced with him, and Orisa doesn't handle him much better either since he moves so quickly in melee while he's waiting out a Halt! (and he kills her first if she doesn't halt! anyways) I think Zarya is a more valid counter. Reaper too, since you can kill him so fast with shotgun as long as you can ghost a punch.
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Minrad posted:lol dont get hooked idiot It doesn't need to be easy, and in fact would probably indicate a balance problem if it were easy. That's the entire point: for positioning, awareness, evasion, and use of cover to provide a solution that exists, but is difficult to achieve.
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