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Kazak_Hstan posted:West of Lake Clark Pass in southwest Alaska. Guy was hauling a load of freight from Anchorage to a remote site. Weather was low and gray with fog. Looked like he was trying to pick his way through mountains instead of flying out to the foothills and around. Really should have just not flown that morning, most everyone else canceled. Wreck looked like it fell straight down with some yaw rotation. Not sure if he got disoriented in fog and entered a spin he couldn't recover from, saw rising terrain and stalled trying to climb, or what. There wasn't much of a skid mark, debris field was condensed, only one impact mark on a tree trunk, etc. More or less inconsistent with forward velocity above C-206 stall speed. Then again, I'm not the NTSB so that could all be bullshit. It was a pretty tight valley, so he probably didn't have room to 180 once he knew he was somewhere he didn't want to be. How does this rank on the level of insane stuff you have seen in your work? Could we maybe get an Ask/Tell thread out of you or a (ugh) Reddit AMA?
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Kazak_Hstan posted:Really should have just not flown that morning, most everyone else canceled. I hate it but getting paid is a big influence to some people, especially if you're paid low enough to begin with. Regardless, that's really awful.
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Michael Scott posted:How does this rank on the level of insane stuff you have seen in your work? Could we maybe get an Ask/Tell thread out of you or a (ugh) Reddit AMA? Ranks pretty high. The smell is just otherworldly bad. Coin toss between it and multiweek decomps in the water. We've had worse aviation wrecks, multiple co-workers in one, multiple local children in another, but we never found bodies in those, just floating debris. Probably won't do an A/T because I don't want to doxx myself in one spot. Pretty small community out here. Happy to talk Bush flying, though I'm not a pilot, more of a professional passenger. Ive had the opportunity to do some really neat flying. Rolo posted:I hate it but getting paid is a big influence to some people, especially if you're paid low enough to begin with. It's really bad out here. There is a ton of part 135 single engine tourist flying for bear viewing, flight seeing, backcountry travel, etc. They fly in atrocious weather on the regular, like 206s materializing out of the ether 100 yards in front of me on a beach bad. Nobody's really equipped to overrule a pilot's go / no-go decision if they're not themselves a pilot with similar experience, but man random tourists from wherever in vacation mode just get on and go without a second thought. I talk to people after a 40-50 mile flight over open 45 degree water who are like "the flight was amazing we were right down over the water the whole way!" with zero awareness of what happens if the engine quits in that situation. I don't mean to imply they're all reckless; there are some superb pilots in it, people with thousands of bush hours, thousands of off airport landings, etc. And I sympathize with the money pressure, prop has to spin to get paid and all. I have a lot of luxury in being able to say no to flying if I need to, and in flying with pilots who get paid regardless of whether they fly that day. But regardless of the incentive structure, there are still a bunch of cowboys exposing oblivious people to pretty substantial risk.
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The Air Canada A320 at SFO indicated an altitude of 85 feet when they decided to go around, sinking to 59 feet while the plane responded to the application of full throttle. e- Pic didn't want to load. Go here to see the landing lights from an A320 reflect off the top of the fuselage of a United 787: http://www.businessinsider.com/air-...r-the-taxiway-3 CBJSprague24 fucked around with this message at 01:54 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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Is it my imagination or do those taxiways look like they're as wide as the runway? Is that normal at large airports? Holy gently caress I have so much to learn before I actually get a job... 
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PT6A posted:Is it my imagination or do those taxiways look like they're as wide as the runway? Is that normal at large airports? Holy gently caress I have so much to learn before I actually get a job... I don't really know the history of SFO so I don't know if this is the case, but there are many times that old runways are converted to taxiways during airport remodels
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Stupid Post Maker posted:I don't really know the history of SFO so I don't know if this is the case, but there are many times that old runways are converted to taxiways during airport remodels The original 28L/10R at CMH is this way now. When they moved the runway south to allow simultaneous approaches, the old runway became a taxiway.
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Stupid Post Maker posted:I don't really know the history of SFO so I don't know if this is the case, but there are many times that old runways are converted to taxiways during airport remodels While true this doesn't excuse the fact that they somehow managed to line up on a taxiway instead of a runway AT NIGHT and failed to realize their error until they were told to go around. Lining up to land on a taxiway during daylight hours (especially if there were no airplanes on said taxiway) would at least be a little more forgivable, but night time? I mean how?
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Not at all. I still don't see how two people could fail to recognize other airplanes taxiing, green centerline lights, and other cues. But at the same time I've been part of crews where things happen that make you scratch your head wondering why you did or didn't do something, luckily it wasn't anything too bad or anything that ATC would find out about, or FOQUA would report, or worse
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I posted a bit about how this sort of accident can happen but it must have been in the AI thread. Delta actually landed on a taxiway at Atlanta and the NTSB and FAA investigated it and found that certain lighting conditions were conducive to mistaking the taxiway for a runway. Obviously takes a lot of contributing factors.
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The Ferret King posted:I posted a bit about how this sort of accident can happen but it must have been in the AI thread. Delta actually landed on a taxiway at Atlanta and the NTSB and FAA investigated it and found that certain lighting conditions were conducive to mistaking the taxiway for a runway. Interesting, seems like such an impossible thing.
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Dat Trump golf TFR. "Get hosed GA." -sincerely, The Donald.
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e.pilot posted:Interesting, seems like such an impossible thing. The taxiway the Delta landed on had lights at maximum brightness while the runway was at minimum. It was the middle of the night (delayed?) so there were no planes on the ground. The flight was from Europe and the relief pilot became ill so the crew was very tired. (Surprised they didn't have to divert? But I don't know how crewing those flights work) That incident at least makes some sense given all that. edit: there was a faa ppt I can't find that had pictures of the lighting conditions Avherald has the ntsb report at least http://avherald.com/h?article=42187f22 hobbesmaster fucked around with this message at 23:05 on Aug 4, 2017 |
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i am kiss u now posted:Dat Trump golf TFR. "Get hosed GA." -sincerely, The Donald. All presidential TFRs are a giant middle finger to GA. Ask Hawaiian GA businesses what it was like when Obama was visiting home. Presidential TFRs shouldn't loving exist. He's not that important.
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i am kiss u now posted:Dat Trump golf TFR. "Get hosed GA." -sincerely, The Donald. If they worked hard they'd be presidents too, and have their own TFR's. Lazy.
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PT6A posted:Is it my imagination or do those taxiways look like they're as wide as the runway? Is that normal at large airports? Holy gently caress I have so much to learn before I actually get a job... At large airports I feel like its easier to spot taxi-ways because they aren't nearly as wide as the runway. Small, WW2 style A-frame airports? Easy to spot the taxiway because of the geometry of the runways. The most difficult is single runway airports with skinny runways. The taxiway and runway will end up being the same width and it takes a careful eye to spot the piano keys, numbers, or touch down zone bars to differentiate. That becomes infinitely more difficult at night-- especially at unlit fields or at lit fields on night vision goggles. I've lined up on a taxiway a few times and the airports always had the same characteristics-- single runway airfields with a parallel taxiway. The most notorious, I think, is the 29 Palms military field. I know multiple guys that have lined up on it wrong because of degraded paint on the runway itself.
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e.pilot posted:While true this doesn't excuse the fact that they somehow managed to line up on a taxiway instead of a runway AT NIGHT and failed to realize their error until they were told to go around. Dude we're all just human and we're super prone to loving up. I back up every approach for this reason even visuals but yeah it's only a matter of time for any of us before a potentially career ending mistake. It's really easy to monday morning quarterback everything but I have done some retarded poo poo in airplanes and it's not a question of if, it's a question of when for basically anybody who flies. Instead of judgement, more important to learn about the scenarios and I'm sure there will be a recreation video done by the FAA/NTSB at some point. Also, I guess it's standard in the airbus to turn the FD off on a visual or else the autothrust and everything else starts freaking the gently caress out, which is too bad because in the E175 we can back everything up still.
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The Slaughter posted:Also, I guess it's standard in the airbus to turn the FD off on a visual or else the autothrust and everything else starts freaking the gently caress out, which is too bad because in the E175 we can back everything up still. Ah, that's a real shame. I don't hate on Airbus just for the sake of hating, but that seems like a really poor design choice.
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The Ferret King posted:Ah, that's a real shame. I don't hate on Airbus just for the sake of hating, but that seems like a really poor design choice. The Airbus flight control and automation system is really good right up until it encounters a situation the automation can't handle. Then it becomes a disaster waiting to happen. The human factors part of the design is basically non existent which has lead to multiple crashes that could have been easily prevented. I'm in 175 ground school right now and embraer seems to have designed a much more pilot friendly but still highly automated system.
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KodiakRS posted:The Airbus flight control and automation system is really good right up until it encounters a situation the automation can't handle. Then it becomes a disaster waiting to happen. The human factors part of the design is basically non existent which has lead to multiple crashes that could have been easily prevented. Got my first day of indoc tomorrow but we were able to fly the E170 sim for the ATP-CTP course. What a dream to fly.
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MrYenko posted:All presidential TFRs are a giant middle finger to GA. Ask Hawaiian GA businesses what it was like when Obama was visiting home. To be fair it's a 10mi TFR with a 30mi control zone where you need to talk to ATC. But gently caress Presidential TFRs especially with President Golf in the White House.
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Well, the control zone still requires a flight plan and is only for itinerant operations. So, no training, no tours, no sight seeing. If it's a leisure flight you had better be coming from or going somewhere else. Gotta have a working radio. Gotta have a working transponder. Also there's the possibility that you'll gently caress something up and get shot down. They're not pilot-friendly at all.
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MrYenko posted:All presidential TFRs are a giant middle finger to GA. Ask Hawaiian GA businesses what it was like when Obama was visiting home. Training in Southwest Ohio was fun during the 2012 election. "Oh, you want to do an XC to Columbus today? Too bad, Mittens is in town!" "Obama's in Cincinnati. It'd sure be nice if our airport was 3-4 miles North of where it actually is..."
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How many of you airline pilots have hooked up with a flight attendant? Slaughter - don't answer nobody wants to know.
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Captain Apollo posted:Slaughter - don't answer nobody wants to know. ....I want to know
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Captain Apollo posted:Slaughter - don't answer nobody wants to know. You're not the boss of us
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Captain Apollo posted:How many of you airline pilots have hooked up with a flight attendant? Does it count if she was still in training at the time?
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Can the collective refrain from quoting Apollo? I'd like to not see his blatant, unfunny homophobia and gay shaming.
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Once, but she didn't work for my airline. We dated for a while but it turns out making a relationship work between two people who are never home is kinda hard.
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TIL I learned that I am homophobic towards Slaughter one of my IRL friends
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sellouts posted:Can the collective refrain from quoting Apollo? I'd like to not see his blatant, unfunny homophobia and gay shaming. No. Captain Apollo posted:TIL I learned that I am homophobic towards Slaughter one of my IRL friends
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0 because I started dating a girl right before I started. But it isn't very hard, especially at a regional
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Okay real question. My google fu is coming up empty here. Can anybody help me find out how many students train and get their certificates from Part 61 vs 141? I can't seem to find any numbers on this and I am interested for an article I'm writing.
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Captain Apollo posted:Okay real question. Huh, so upon looking up what that means, that's a really significant difference between the US and Canada. We have no Part 61 equivalent as far as I'm aware (I may be wrong), and you'd need to be a very experienced instructor (Class 1 in Canadian parlance) to operate your own flight training unit (which I assume is the equivalent of a Part 141 school). EDIT: Depending on what your article is on, you might consider mentioning the Canadian "class" system for instructors. From what I've heard, it seems like a better system because it's less focused on being cock-hard during the flight test, and more focused on making sure you're instructing properly under supervision from experienced instructors. On the other hand, it seems like a much more massive pain in the rear end for instructors who own their own plane and would like to work part-time. PT6A fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Aug 10, 2017 |
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