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I could work for an MSP no problem as long as someone else kept track of billable hours and priority number 1 wasn't to rip off our customers. Of one my work goals in life is to never, ever fill out a timecard again. I have self respect now.
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You know Bit Titan isn't an MSP and that's an internal support position right? They are a software company.
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Aug 13, 2017 00:05
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milk milk lemonade posted:You know Bit Titan isn't an MSP and that's an internal support position right? They are a software company. There website says "join the Modern MSP Revolution" on the front page. Do they just provide software to MSPs then maybe? I did see that it was internal though. I just figured internal or external an MSP is still an MSP.
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Aug 13, 2017 00:17
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They sell poo poo to MSPs and CSPs. If BT has an actual MSP division that's news to me.
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Aug 13, 2017 00:29
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milk milk lemonade posted:They sell poo poo to MSPs and CSPs. If BT has an actual MSP division that's news to me. I need to work on my reading comprehension obviously. Saw MSP and fixated on that. Thanks.
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Aug 13, 2017 01:19
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We have unlimited PTO and I think I'm going to hit about 6 weeks off this year, not counting holidays, including a three week vacation in November. I guess I'm just naturally selfish, because I have no problem taking that much time off despite it being untracked. It's a big reason I'm at this job instead of working for a vendor and probably making more money.
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Aug 13, 2017 01:42
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The Dreamer posted:I need to work on my reading comprehension obviously. Saw MSP and fixated on that. Thanks. They are a legit good company from what I can tell. Not necessarily internally or anything, but their products are solid and their support is great.
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Aug 13, 2017 01:44
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big money big clit posted:We have unlimited PTO and I think I'm going to hit about 6 weeks off this year, not counting holidays, including a three week vacation in November. I guess I'm just naturally selfish, because I have no problem taking that much time off despite it being untracked. It's a big reason I'm at this job instead of working for a vendor and probably making more money. Palo Alto has unlimited PTO. When they were courting me in the past, they said that most of their employees take about 5-6 weeks off each year, but some take more and that's fine.
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Aug 13, 2017 03:28
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I am too literal a person to be told 'unlimited', plus that feels like a test.
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Aug 13, 2017 04:36
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Got unlimited too. I travel a lot for work though so I kind of consider them mini vacations since I ain't paying and I barely work when I'm there. I generally only work 4 days a week though. E: just looked. I've used 22 days this year so far.
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Aug 13, 2017 04:36
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I am too literal a person to be told 'unlimited', plus that feels like a test. Yeah, I read unlimited and think "Welp, let me go ahead and take next year off."
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Aug 13, 2017 04:59
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I've taken 6 months off work. I thought I was gonna end up drinking myself to death. Don't recommend it. I like to work but at my option. This job fits me. I do about 10 hours on calls. 10-15 hours writing code. I take naps after my morning meetings and write code in the afternoon.
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Aug 13, 2017 05:03
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I am too literal a person to be told 'unlimited', plus that feels like a test. The place I'm interviewing as unlimited vacation. At least I think it's unlimited. They call it "Open Vacation." Every time I've been on the phone with them so far and they've asked if I had any questions it's been so hard not to ask if I can take 52 weeks off.
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Aug 13, 2017 05:23
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psydude posted:I don't understand how DevOps can work. We all know developers refuse to work after hours during maintenance windows.
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Aug 13, 2017 17:50
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vas0line posted:Someone please enlighten me on DevOps type people.
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Aug 13, 2017 17:52
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I want what my wife has. 4 weeks vacation, half day Fridays every week.
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Aug 13, 2017 18:49
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I had a temp job one summer break that was from 8-6 M-Tr and 8-12 on Friday. It was nice. I’d probably be okay with that every other Friday off scheduling too.
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Aug 13, 2017 19:02
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Aug 13, 2017 19:23
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I took 3 weeks of PTO this year. It was amazing. Only have 2 more weeks left 
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Aug 14, 2017 09:32
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Always negotiate more PTO when interviewing. In most places it doesn't show up on a spreadsheet somewhere so it's an easy consession for the person doing the hiring to make.
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Aug 14, 2017 14:16
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I have no idea how I'd take off 5 weeks in a year, it absolutely boggles me. Three is about my limit for an entire year. Two of actual vacation and spread the other 5 for days I want to do stuff. Maybe vacation is like computer storage space. The more you have the easier it is to use?
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Aug 14, 2017 14:57
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Every single place I've ever worked and interviewed has had PTO as a non-negotiable benefit based purely on tenure with the company.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:07
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Here, new employees right out of college get 2 weeks starting, experienced hires get 3 weeks. The 2 week people get a 3rd week after 5 years. 4th week after 15 years and 5 weeks at 25 years.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:08
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Avenging_Mikon posted:I have no idea how I'd take off 5 weeks in a year, it absolutely boggles me. Three is about my limit for an entire year. Two of actual vacation and spread the other 5 for days I want to do stuff. Take a month off at a stretch. It's an amazing way to relax and enjoy life. Go somewhere, build a shed, whatever you like to do but don't have time to in a short vacation.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:19
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Avenging_Mikon posted:I have no idea how I'd take off 5 weeks in a year, it absolutely boggles me. Three is about my limit for an entire year. Two of actual vacation and spread the other 5 for days I want to do stuff. Staycations are awesome. Taking a week off to do nothing but what you want to do is highly recommended.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:21
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H110Hawk posted:Take a month off at a stretch. It's an amazing way to relax and enjoy life. Go somewhere, build a shed, whatever you like to do but don't have time to in a short vacation. Like play Witcher 3 or Zelda.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:21
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bull3964 posted:Every single place I've ever worked and interviewed has had PTO as a non-negotiable benefit based purely on tenure with the company. Everything is negotiable. Everything. That said, the easiest thing to ask for and receive is to be maxed out on PTO at day one. Most places make you accrue it so you get maxed out after a year or some such.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:22
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You poor office workers. 14 days on, 14 days off is the best shift. Plus 14 days off a year (168 hours a year). I essentially get 11 two week vacations a year and a six week vacation! 
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Aug 14, 2017 15:29
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And you get to miss out on having a social life with any of your friends with normal schedules for half the month.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:31
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Agrikk posted:Everything is negotiable. Everything. This is very true. Just like people, companies can be really terrible at negotiations though. This is especially true for positions that are hard to fill. Companies are use to always having the upper hand and just don't always know how to deal with people not accepting offers after declining their counteroffers. Several companies I was negotiating with, some not really in good faith by me but more boredom, Totally denied any counteroffers. No matter how much or how little I tried to get extra, were totally against budging. One of those last Friday, a full 8 business days since they denied my counter offer, have suddenly become a lot more flexible and let me know that they approved my counteroffer. I can't say it made me feel bad to let them know I had already accepted another offer.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:32
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Gorau posted:You poor office workers. 14 days on, 14 days off is the best shift. Plus 14 days off a year (168 hours a year). I essentially get 11 two week vacations a year and a six week vacation! I did this years ago. No thanks, I'd rather have a sane schedule. I don't know how it would possibly work if you have children and your SO works.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:33
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Don't have children, friends, and stay single. Simple.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:33
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Eh, I'm still home most every night. I usually work 6-6. It's a good gig for now.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:38
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Needing to be at work at 6am pretty much precludes doing anything interesting in the evenings.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:48
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bull3964 posted:Needing to be at work at 6am pretty much precludes doing anything interesting in the evenings. Normally I'd agree with you. I'm just lucky though. My shift just means I need to leave my driveway by 6. I drive to different sites every day. I'm fine if I go to bed by 11.
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bull3964 posted:Every single place I've ever worked and interviewed has had PTO as a non-negotiable benefit based purely on tenure with the company. It's not common, but we've hired people before and gave them years of service credits towards vacation accrual before. Like others have said EVERYTHING is negotiable if you're in the right position. Avenging_Mikon posted:I have no idea how I'd take off 5 weeks in a year, it absolutely boggles me. Three is about my limit for an entire year. Two of actual vacation and spread the other 5 for days I want to do stuff. Work life balance. I take about a week off every quarter, and 2 weeks around the holidays usually. With normal paid holidays I end up having a few extra days. With the kids out on spring break, summer vacations, a couple long weekends, Thanksgiving week and Christmas to after new years you can spend it.
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The generous PTO (we actually still get vacation and sick, and I view sick as "something other than scheduled vacation is preventing me from being at work") is one of the few saving graces about my current job. That and the fact that I can basically tell my boss I'm done for the day and gotta run some errands, and he'll let me go without any questions asked and I don't have to worry about putting the time in officially. I have several problems with him, but that aspect of how he manages overrides most of them. And we close for two weeks around Christmas. I just wish I could find a more interesting sysadmin job with this place.
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Aug 14, 2017 16:15
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skipdogg posted:Work life balance. I take about a week off every quarter, and 2 weeks around the holidays usually. With normal paid holidays I end up having a few extra days. With the kids out on spring break, summer vacations, a couple long weekends, Thanksgiving week and Christmas to after new years you can spend it. Yeah, having kids certainly changes the balance. I'm a Single Goon, so it's a different equation. And I've no condemnation to those who take vacation either. I just don't think I could do it.
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Agrikk posted:Everything is negotiable. Everything. gently caress I wish that had been the case here. I got another 10% over their original offer, but any vacation day changes were just a no-go. Sucks, because 2 weeks is poo poo. 3 weeks is good enough - one 2 week vacation, and 5 days for misc. stuff.
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Also, I applied to one position over the weekend (meant to do more), but one I found and did not apply to was for an "Executive Deskside Senior Analyst" which is a wonderful title for one of those computer butler positions that is the dedicated desktop support guy for C-levels and their support staff. I assume/hope that it pays similarly to your typical syadmin given the niche it fills but it sounds awful. Also sounds like a potential career dead end too.
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