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I don't want to waddle into this argument but, I've heard that there were 150 white supremacist retards marching over the weekend. Is that a true number or was it more/less?
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Taintrunner posted:you do understand that leftist groups like antifa, john brown gun club, redneck revolt, etc. actually organize and think through and practice this poo poo before going out and "Bourne style" or whatever your delusions of glorious ubermensch Nazis popping heads off trust fund college kids may be 
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Aug 13, 2017 14:38
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Hi, if you support taking away one groups free speech rights than you support taking away everyone's. Its great you aren't a supporter of the ACLU but they will defend your rights regardless.
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Aug 13, 2017 14:47
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Byolante posted:Hi, if you support taking away one groups free speech rights than you support taking away everyone's. Its great you aren't a supporter of the ACLU but they will defend your rights regardless. again: fascists are the exception that proves the rule. they literally seek to take away the rights of marginalized identities and violently oppress and subjugate them. this is why groups like antifa work to deny them the luxury they seek to take away from everyone else. now that Nazis are now literally running down and killing peaceful counter protestors in street, your fantasies of decorum saving the day are no longer of use but uh, have fun at your next rally to restore sanity, America has really turned it around since then, heh.
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Aug 13, 2017 14:55
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really queer Christmas posted:I don't want to waddle into this argument but, I've heard that there were 150 white supremacist retards marching over the weekend. Is that a true number or was it more/less? I haven't seen a number higher than 200. Seems like reports are trying to make it look bigger than it was, but that one pic of them on campus was all of them. There were probably more counter protesters there on the second day.
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Aug 13, 2017 14:57
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HIJK posted:" all the more reason to eradicate them Byolante posted:Hi, if you support taking away one groups free speech rights than you support taking away everyone's. Its great you aren't a supporter of the ACLU but they will defend your rights regardless. the aclu defends nazis. that aint cool
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Aug 13, 2017 15:15
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really queer Christmas posted:I don't want to waddle into this argument but, I've heard that there were 150 white supremacist retards marching over the weekend. Is that a true number or was it more/less? Looks about right from the tiki torch vigil pictures, not sure about the saturday numbers though, counter protester numbers looked way up on saturday though. Apparently lots of the white supremacist folks were from out of state as well, so it's not like you can extrapolate out those numbers and say there are tens of thousands in on this poo poo nationwide, since people from allover the country came in for that embarrassingly tiny turnout. Taintrunner posted:you do understand that leftist groups like antifa, john brown gun club, redneck revolt, etc. actually organize and think through and practice this poo poo before going out and "Bourne style" or whatever your delusions of glorious ubermensch Nazis popping heads off trust fund college kids may be Here's a sneak peek at their rigorous practice sessions: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3KsuzfSMjg Taintrunner posted:again: fascists are the exception that proves the rule. they literally seek to take away the rights of marginalized identities and violently oppress and subjugate them. this is why groups like antifa work to deny them the luxury they seek to take away from everyone else. Taintrunner posted:they literally seek to take away the rights of marginalized identities and violently oppress and subjugate them.  Have you been ignoring how they've been reacting to conservatives invited to talk at liberal colleges or is that also good old fash bashing?
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Aug 13, 2017 15:23
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got any sevens posted:the aclu defends nazis. that aint cool The problem with a right like free speech is if you ever allow a precedent to be set against it you are pretty much hosed forever. Cases like Skokie have to be fought because one day you won't be the person with the bike lock and at that point the rule of law is all you can rely on. Taintrunner posted:again: fascists are the exception that proves the rule. they literally seek to take away the rights of marginalized identities and violently oppress and subjugate them. this is why groups like antifa work to deny them the luxury they seek to take away from everyone else. First of all you should probably learn what that phrase means. The idpol warriors can't help themselves, they don't want to stop with nazis, they will and do attack anyone who isn't 100% under their thumb.
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Aug 13, 2017 15:53
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Byolante posted:Hi, if you support taking away one groups free speech rights than you support taking away everyone's. Its great you aren't a supporter of the ACLU but they will defend your rights regardless. Nazis don't deserve rights but everyone else does
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Aug 13, 2017 16:06
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breaklaw posted:I haven't seen a number higher than 200. Seems like reports are trying to make it look bigger than it was, but that one pic of them on campus was all of them. There were probably more counter protesters there on the second day.
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Aug 13, 2017 16:39
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I approve of censorship and violence, like any true liberal
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Aug 13, 2017 18:33
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I objected to the actions of anti-fa, left wing activists during these moments -sucker punching richard spencer when he was not (at the time) inciting violence -destroying public property. (Even when it indeed was BoA because gently caress them,) -shutting down milo's speech, and others who are "conservative", not neo-nazis -setting up road blocks denying people the ability to cross the street to get to their job. Friday was when I through out my principles of non-violence, and went "Go right ahead. These people have more than deserved it". Marching around at night with torches, nazi paraphernalia, confederate flags in a campus where there was minorities, lgbt and others? That's not free speech. That's harassment.
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Aug 13, 2017 18:35
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To be clear I'm also all for smacking those specific shitbags and/or getting them fired and ruining their lives
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Aug 13, 2017 18:39
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preventing people from crossing the street to go to work is the point of a protest. you have to make people mad that you're interfering with their way of life, but also be strong enough that they can't shut you down directly, and instead have to petition their representatives to give into your protest's demands
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Aug 13, 2017 18:40
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got any sevens posted:all the more reason to eradicate them larping is cheap, and nothing I see here convinces me you understand what you're pushing for. The point of civilized discourse is to keep violence to a minimum and the moment you break that social contract you clear away the rules which puts the other side on an even playing field with you. You say stuff like """""eradicate""""" but you are not ready for what that means and you will not be prepared if the violent hardcore right decides they've had enough. Do not step over that line.
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Aug 13, 2017 18:59
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Taintrunner posted:again: fascists are the exception that proves the rule. they literally seek to take away the rights of marginalized identities and violently oppress and subjugate them. this is why groups like antifa work to deny them the luxury they seek to take away from everyone else. You could argue that perhaps the ACLU shouldn't use their resources to defend them but you can't argue the first amendment out of existence, whether you like it or not there's no Nazi exception in our first amendment jurisprudence. Even the liberal SCOTUS justices would agree on this point.
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Aug 13, 2017 19:04
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I think a possible good step in the right direction would be to separate those that we saw in the rally today and those that hold conservative beliefs. I don't know how you quite accomplish that.
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Aug 13, 2017 19:10
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HIJK posted:larping is cheap, and nothing I see here convinces me you understand what you're pushing for. The point of civilized discourse is to keep violence to a minimum and the moment you break that social contract you clear away the rules which puts the other side on an even playing field with you. ok there Neville Chamberlain
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Aug 13, 2017 19:12
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Taintrunner posted:Let me explain it to you in as simple as terms as possible. Nazis are literally the exception that proves the rule when it comes to defending free speech rights, because they are the political project who seek to do little more than take it away from as many people as possible, through means of violence and oppression. America literally put young men on boats and sent them across the Atlantic to shoot Nazis in the head not a century before.
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HIJK posted:larping is cheap, and nothing I see here convinces me you understand what you're pushing for. The point of civilized discourse is to keep violence to a minimum and the moment you break that social contract you clear away the rules which puts the other side on an even playing field with you. This is some hilarious bootlicking and utterly pathetic. Yes, yes, kneel before the all powerful fascists more, surely "civilized discourse" will win out, just like every single time in history where fascists were defeated with... physical violence. Oh. The Nazis won power because the rich liberals in power simply gave it to them. They thought they could win them over with "civilized discourse" and "keeping the violence to a minimum" by compromising to the fascists over and over until... the fascists were in power. Oops. MaxxBot posted:You could argue that perhaps the ACLU shouldn't use their resources to defend them but you can't argue the first amendment out of existence, whether you like it or not there's no Nazi exception in our first amendment jurisprudence. Even the liberal SCOTUS justices would agree on this point. Strafgesetzbuch section 86a seems to be working just fine, Nazi salutes in public even from an individual are met with swift dismantling in Germany. Regardless, leftist groups like antifa are not currently clamoring for a judicial solution to the violent fascist extremists. The problem with the hardline "free speech" fetishists is that over the past several years it's been time and time again used to defend the worst excesses of the extremist right and never used in defense of the suppression of left-wing or leftist voices. Liberals have this bizarre fetish for kowtowing to right wing violent thugs and thinking that "civilized discourse" will somehow win out, even when they're running down and killing peaceful opposition in the street. Since the start of the Tea Party a decade ago, it's clear that this simply does. not. work. anymore. Just look at who's in the White House, for gently caress's sake. FuzzySkinner posted:I think a possible good step in the right direction would be to separate those that we saw in the rally today and those that hold conservative beliefs. It's pretty clear that antifa isn't going after say... Randian conventions or Big Pharma conferences, but the worst of the worst of far right extremism. Taintrunner has issued a correction as of 19:33 on Aug 13, 2017 |
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Taintrunner posted:This is some hilarious bootlicking and utterly pathetic. Yes, yes, kneel before the all powerful fascists more, surely "civilized discourse" will win out, just like every single time in history where fascists were defeated with... physical violence. Oh. I will believe it when you have the balls to do it. Like I said, larping is easy and bullshit is cheap. You can type all you want but it is words words words words. You want some violence? You want to engage? Try actually doing it. Don't pawn it off on some far left group. I mean it. Try hitting these people with a bike lock or something. Prove how tough you actually are insteading of whining about "muh bootlicking" because every post you put up here takes valuable time away from the actual dirty work of hitting people. Just do it. Make your dreams come true.
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Aug 13, 2017 19:50
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sir, this is an arby's, can I take your order please
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HIJK posted:You say stuff like """""eradicate""""" but you are not ready for what that means and you will not be prepared if the violent hardcore right decides they've had enough. Do not step over that line. not confronting fascists and buying into their narrative about being too spoopy for us to handle is a great strategy
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remember that time when germans wouldn't even let hilter get a word in and then he got so mad he invaded poland??? https://twitter.com/NBCNews/status/896820888930332672
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Hodgepodge posted:not confronting fascists and buying into their narrative about being too spoopy for us to handle is a great strategy I would be more confident about confronting them if I thought there was a chance to win. As it stands right now, I think an actual physical altercation would result in the left getting creamed. I've met antifa members. Very few were ready for an actual fight to the death and I don't want to see more people die.
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HIJK posted:I would be more confident about confronting them if I thought there was a chance to win. As it stands right now, I think an actual physical altercation would result in the left getting creamed. I've met antifa members. Very few were ready for an actual fight to the death and I don't want to see more people die. I've seen antifa and I've seen fascists. I like the Left's odds.
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I think that organized political violence is stupid no matter who's doing it also re:charlotte, apparently the cops there had orders to stand by and do nothing, which had predictable results
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The Kingfish posted:I've seen antifa and I've seen fascists. I like the Left's odds.  I guess we'll find out.
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https://twitter.com/eclecticbrotha/status/896327115821518849 electric bootlicker should be mocked forever
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Uncle Wemus posted:https://twitter.com/eclecticbrotha/status/896327115821518849 Yeah I posted that earlier, but it needs to be brought up again. What needs to be told to these lanyard types, these idiots that work at buzzfeed/mtv and any other idiot with economic privilege is simply this: "You're not helping. You're making things worse.". Because the jackasses that self radicalized at this lovely rally? Likely what played a part in it was the above. I am not saying this against people that are doing organizing in communities, volunteering and actively trying to improve conditions. Those people are not only "Good", they're VITAL. I'll proudly get behind someone who's say, organizing labor strikes and rallies against police violence. But the upper class people we're discussing? They've caused a lot of harm, and they've allowed this to happen. It's time for them to step aside because if they don't? More of this poo poo is going to keep on coming down the pike.
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Aug 13, 2017 23:33
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https://twitter.com/kthalps/status/896874258990854144 Let's mock this idiot too.
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Aug 14, 2017 00:23
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FuzzySkinner posted:Yeah I posted that earlier, but it needs to be brought up again. I don't think the danger was ever that the woke twitterati were going to push Bernie Bros into the alt-right, it's that the Bernie supporters would exercise their privilege and opt out.
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Aug 14, 2017 01:06
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the trump tutelage posted:I broadly disagree with critical legal studies and CRT. I generally agree with the Google manifesto and the 30 studies that support its claims, and with ending programs like Head Start which do not work. I find Hillary Clinton repugnant and I am glad she lost even if I hate that Trump won. This evidently makes me a fascist and a Nazi, and while I have no intention of swinging wildly to the right like a petty bitch, it's hard to keep giving a gently caress when you're told it's not enough to want a robust welfare state with equal opportunity for all if you're unwilling to embrace anti-intellectual tribalist bullshit. i think women are genetically inferior and it really makes me mad when people call me out on it
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That's a hosed up opinion my dude.
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the trump tutelage posted:I broadly disagree with critical legal studies and CRT. I generally agree with the Google manifesto and the 30 studies that support its claims, and with ending programs like Head Start which do not work. I find Hillary Clinton repugnant and I am glad she lost even if I hate that Trump won. This evidently makes me a fascist and a Nazi, and while I have no intention of swinging wildly to the right like a petty bitch, it's hard to keep giving a gently caress when you're told it's not enough to want a robust welfare state with equal opportunity for all if you're unwilling to embrace anti-intellectual tribalist bullshit. You should delete your account
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Aug 14, 2017 01:48
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https://twitter.com/LPNational/status/894543356138852356 more dumbasses for the dumbass god
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Taintrunner posted:Kim Bong Un gently caress you you beat me to it
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the trump tutelage posted:I don't think the danger was ever that the woke twitterati were going to push Bernie Bros into the alt-right, it's that the Bernie supporters would exercise their privilege and opt out. If the "Twitterati" is all it takes for you to give up on your commitment to a robust welfare state and "equal opportunity for all", your commitment to it is as performative and vacuous as theirs
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wizard on a water slide posted:If the "Twitterati" is all it takes for you to give up on your commitment to a robust welfare state and "equal opportunity for all", your commitment to it is as performative and vacuous as theirs There's a difference between political disengagement and abandoning core principles, especially when neither candidate deserves your vote and one party in particular is coasting on being the lesser of two evils.
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