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No Butt Stuff posted:It would be too early for a poll to take into account what happened this weekend. Check Friday. Yeah, so what this represents is the reaction to last week's flailing over North Korea. Guess his base didn't take too kindly to the threat of nuclear war.
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R. Guyovich posted:that's good but it does appear to be a very small drop This is a drop among people that still ID conservative/republican instead of just switching their affiliation to "independent" when the times get tough. It's a big deal.
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R. Guyovich posted:that's good but it does appear to be a very small drop yeah, it's only interesting because it's the lowest point recorded so far. it seems to be evidence of just a long slow crumble rather than the nazi supporting actually moving the needle a lot. but the idea that his base is rock solid isn't born out by the data: that base continues to slowly crumble which is a very good thing and suggests there's more support he can lose
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https://twitter.com/radleybalko/status/897146625516347393 https://twitter.com/ErinatTheSun/status/897144192106983424 Melt down their Icons and destroy thier holy places.
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No Butt Stuff posted:It would be too early for a poll to take into account what happened this weekend. Check Friday. The Gallup poll is from 11-13, so some of it is post Charlottesville
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HappyHippo posted:The Gallup poll is from 11-13, so some of it is post Charlottesville Gallup can see into the future?
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As a foreigner it's kinda insane that Roger "Dred Scott" Taney has statues.evilweasel posted:yeah, it's only interesting because it's the lowest point recorded so far. it seems to be evidence of just a long slow crumble rather than the nazi supporting actually moving the needle a lot. And it doesn't even account for that base itself crumbling, i.e. people who just stop identifying as Republican.
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At the very least I hope this is like when Roof shot up that church and people couldn't pretend the flag was anything other than a hate symbol. It's going to be hard for non-Trump politicians to say that those statues have any value after nazis decided to come in a throw a fit about one's removal.
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So right after a half hearted denunciation of nazis he signals his racist supporters that it's back to business as usual?
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Problematic Pigeon posted:Gallup can see into the future? I mean the 11th to the 13th
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SulphagneSocialist posted:And it doesn't even account for that base itself crumbling, i.e. people who just stop identifying as Republican. that's reflected in the overall approval rating. people who stop identifying as republican does gently caress up the polling of "republicans" though it seems they're accounting for it by including people who self-describe as "conservatives" - they may keep that self-description even if they renounce trump and the republican party.
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Radish posted:At the very least I hope this is like when Roof shot up that church and people couldn't pretend the flag was anything other than a hate symbol. ...for a little while, at least
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Timestamped from earlier: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0y55BVXffY&t=1286s Is it usual for press not to applaud a president walking to the podium? He says "thank you" as if he were expecting applause. Perhaps the camera shutters sounded like applause?
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LAW AND ORDER* *except if you were nice to me that one time, then maybe I can make an exception to the whole law thing.
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deoju posted:So right after a half hearted denunciation of nazis he signals his racist supporters that it's back to business as usual? And attempts to change the narrative. but for some reason people are really upset about this whole nazi thing. weird.
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Cingulate posted:FFS it's literally called the "Daily Stormer" and they claim "the others are the real nazis". This is some "are we the baddies?" stuff, just without, of course, the "asking if we're the baddies" part. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism
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evilweasel posted:re: trump's approval: Well he just (dispassionately) condemned racists, KKK, neo-nazis, and white supremacists, so his base will erode even more now 
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Cingulate posted:FFS it's literally called the "Daily Stormer" and they claim "the others are the real nazis". This is some "are we the baddies?" stuff, just without, of course, the "asking if we're the baddies" part. The hot take in the online alt-right circle right now is that the Nazis are actually leftists
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BrianBoitano posted:Timestamped from earlier: He's probably got a couple staffers or sycophants in the crowd to clap. If the microphone is nowhere near them, you won't hear it (or drowned out by camera shutters lol).
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How many states have confederacy statues? jfc.
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evilweasel posted:that's reflected in the overall approval rating. people who stop identifying as republican does gently caress up the polling of "republicans" though it seems they're accounting for it by including people who self-describe as "conservatives" - they may keep that self-description even if they renounce trump and the republican party. Right. The takeaway for me is that we're at the point where his remaining support is resilient enough that it won't be shaken loose by events like this weekend, unless they're at a scale we really don't want happening like Katrina or 9/11, but it will diminish over time by pure force of attrition as people become disillusioned. I think the congressional GOP, if it wanted to, could start pushing that number lower by going into open opposition against him, but there's no incentive for them to do that right now. But if nothing of that sort happens, trying to pick apart 1-2 point swings is not useful. Especially since we're having a logarithmically accelerating number of the kinds of events that impacted approval polling in the old world.
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Nazzadan posted:The hot take in the online alt-right circle right now is that the Nazis are actually leftists
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Javes posted:How many states have confederacy statues? jfc. My guess is around 11
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"Acknowledging criticism directed at his recent statement on the events in Charlottesville the President has fallen back to the mantra "Actions speak louder than words" relieving fears that he may take a soft stance against the true threats towards our great nation."
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Cingulate posted:What do you mean? They've done this since forever. These are the same Nazis that will insist, when called on the Holocaust, either deny it or claim that World War 2 Nazis were Socialists and therefore, Lefties.
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Cingulate posted:What do you mean? They've done this since forever. True, I'm just seeing quite a few videos being made and circulated on the subject in the last month or so.
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Javes posted:How many states have confederacy statues? jfc. The ones that aren't even in the South make it even more clear what they are actually representing.
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CommieGIR posted:These are the same Nazis that will insist, when called on the Holocaust, either deny it or claim that World War 2 Nazis were Socialists and therefore, Lefties. "The Holocaust didn't happen, but it should have."
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Shimrra Jamaane posted:...Doobie? I was in top dog awhile back, didnt buy anything because there were screeds all over the walls. Maybe not as bad as the guy they just fired...but I can see why he was comfortable working there.
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Peacoffee posted:My guess is around 11 This very page has a tweet about statues in Maryland. 
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Javes posted:How many states have confederacy statues? jfc. You just need to ask 'how many states have large concentrations of racists' for the answer. These monuments were all built in modern times to intimidate blacks/minorities, they serve no cultural or historical purpose.
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Javes posted:How many states have confederacy statues? jfc. A lot more than I expected. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monuments_and_memorials_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America
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Nazzadan posted:"The Holocaust didn't happen, but it should have." It has the word SOCIALIST in it!  ....but I'm gonna fly its flag anyways, white powah.
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Lemon King posted:A lot more than I expected. Yes, atleast 22. And Brazil.
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CommieGIR posted:These are the same Nazis that will insist, when called on the Holocaust, either deny it or claim that World War 2 Nazis were Socialists and therefore, Lefties.
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