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Incel is really just a catch-all term for any number of different personality disorders.
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spacetoaster posted:No, there's just a requirement for evidence beyond a reasonable doubt. A lot of crimes leave plenty of evidence of the crime. Yeah, the whole beyond a reasonable doubt thing is something I support in principle, although it can be frustrating at times. Really would love to see this case go to court with evidence somehow. Catching him in the act with video evidence is something that would be difficult and potentially dangerous to set up, though. That is, assuming he even struck again. Perhaps the worst part aside from his actions toward the girl is his overt encouragement of others to do the same. Another legal question - is it a crime to encourage people to commit crimes? How about if it's a hate crime or intimidation tactic based on gender or race?
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Aug 14, 2017 01:05
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Palpek posted:Lol, this is literally the beginning of exhibitionistic disorder. Complete with him being aroused by the victim being afraid of him and I presume him running away if the victim laughed at him instead (perfect match with incel mentality). Incels making another strong case for them being totally regular normal guys that are just not good looking. Most other incels seem to get off on being humiliated by Staceys and Chads and would probably just be more excited if she laughed at him, the other side of the mental illness coin.
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Aug 14, 2017 01:22
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green chicken feet posted:Yeah, the whole beyond a reasonable doubt thing is something I support in principle, although it can be frustrating at times. Support in principle? Having to provide evidence, and prove a crime occurred, is a good thing. Criminals aren't very smart. They incriminate themselves all the time.
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Aug 14, 2017 01:25
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Reasonable doubt only comes into play when it's a criminal case. This is because there's an imbalance of power, since it's the state prosecuting an individual. For civil suits, which this most likely would be, it basically boils down to which person has the better argument.
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Aug 14, 2017 01:43
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Ziv Zulander posted:Reasonable doubt only comes into play when it's a criminal case. This is because there's an imbalance of power, since it's the state prosecuting an individual. For civil suits, which this most likely would be, it basically boils down to which person has the better argument. It's a preponderance of the evidence. You're gonna need more than "He did it!" and "No I didn't!".
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Aug 14, 2017 01:51
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Supercondescending posted:Suddenly he gets a dog. A little yorkie. The first day he has it, he immediately goes "oh look a friend for you!" to his puppy and sets it down as I'm biking by. It runs toward us. My dog is highly prey driven and dog aggressive, so he goes !!!!! and I see him about to go "HOLY poo poo SNACK TIME" so I put him in a sit/stay, hop off my bike, catch the dumb yorkie before it reaches us, and walk up to him and hand him his dog. I say "My dog does not like other dogs and will eat yours. Please do not do that again." He stares at me blankly, stuttering, as I walk back to my bike. He finally manages to say "y-YOUR DOG SHOULD MAKE A FRIEND" and sets his dog down AGAIN to run towards mine. Mine was young at the time so he broke his sit/stay at this point and lunges towards his dumb yorkie to eat it. Since he's attached to my bike, he pulls the bike over on top of himself, I get caught up in it, we all fall down. I grab his stupid dog, again, in the middle of this entire mess and go "NO REALLY. MY DOG WILL KILL HIM." and hold the dog out to the guy while tangled in a pile of bike, concrete, and my own dog. The sad thing is there is a probability that the dog ended up getting torn to pieces from him trying that stunt with someone else.
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Aug 14, 2017 02:06
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spacetoaster posted:Support in principle? Having to provide evidence, and prove a crime occurred, is a good thing. Yes, I agree that it is a good thing... but my frustration is because a person can intentionally cause psychological harm, which leaves no evidence. Neither would I want to have a society where people go to prison for hurting someone's feelings, because that would be insane... But I do have a lot of empathy for people who are being stalked or harassed like the jogger in the story and have little they can do about it. She may have to make significant changes in her routine because of some dumbass with a vendetta against women. And that's not even counting the psychological impact. In her shoes, I would have feared for my life. I'm just extrapolating here but it's got to be similar to the impact of a near-death situation, not because of the exact things the guy in the story did, but the implications. Everyone has heard stories of female joggers being raped and murdered and no doubt when she saw the guy with the boner was essentially chasing her, she sprinted with the idea that her life was on the line.
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Aug 14, 2017 02:58
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green chicken feet posted:Yes, I agree that it is a good thing... but my frustration is because a person can intentionally cause psychological harm, which leaves no evidence. Neither would I want to have a society where people go to prison for hurting someone's feelings, because that would be insane... If he's doing it often then the local police can do a sting. Hell, if she reported it a cop might just go have a talk with him (that might scare him out of ever doing it again).
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Aug 14, 2017 03:20
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Khazar-khum posted:I wonder if there's a common factor to incel upbringing that breaks them so badly. 
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Aug 14, 2017 03:37
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Cerebral Mayhem posted:The sad thing is there is a probability that the dog ended up getting torn to pieces from him trying that stunt with someone else. I worried about this too. I hope his poor dog stayed safe because drat.
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Aug 14, 2017 13:57
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Ghostlight posted:Not having sex A really old study by Gilmartin suggested that being bullied at school is highly correlated.
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Aug 14, 2017 13:59
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spacetoaster posted:If he's doing it often then the local police can do a sting. Hell, if she reported it a cop might just go have a talk with him (that might scare him out of ever doing it again). As unlikely as it seems that this would ever happen, it would be awesome to read the news one day and find that cops did a sting and this guy was convicted. I guess I can dream. There are bigger fish to fry for sure, like rapists, but it sure would be nice to catch one before he could go that far. The jogging incident certainly seems like an escalation leading up to that point.
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Aug 14, 2017 14:24
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green chicken feet posted:As unlikely as it seems that this would ever happen, it would be awesome to read the news one day and find that cops did a sting and this guy was convicted. I guess I can dream. There are bigger fish to fry for sure, like rapists, but it sure would be nice to catch one before he could go that far. The jogging incident certainly seems like an escalation leading up to that point. https://twitter.com/KRON4MKelly/sta...omen-on-muni%2F
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Aug 14, 2017 14:27
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I believe my new fetish might be creeper guys like him getting shot by women who carry.357 snubs in their handbags.
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Aug 14, 2017 14:59
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incels posted:TFW when a normie accepts the truth and swallows the black pill
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Aug 14, 2017 15:40
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Palpek posted:Sorry but I'm pretty sure that sinister William Dafoe fucks. Everyone knows Dafoe is gettin' mad pussy. 
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Aug 14, 2017 15:54
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Thank you for the happy news. Restores my faith in humanity a bit to see things like this. KomodoWagon posted:I believe my new fetish might be creeper guys like him getting shot by women who carry.357 snubs in their handbags. Shot but only superficially wounded so he can live to serve his term in prison, where he experiences a spiritual awakening. After doing his time, the repentant former incel then dedicates his life to the cause of human rights and equality for all people. (This is a fantasy, so it can be as far-fetched as I would like, right?)
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Aug 14, 2017 16:06
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green chicken feet posted:Thank you for the happy news. Restores my faith in humanity a bit to see things like this. Don't stop. 
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Aug 14, 2017 16:07
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green chicken feet posted:Shot but only superficially wounded so he can live to serve his term in prison, where he experiences a spiritual awakening. After doing his time, the repentant former incel then dedicates his life to the cause of human rights and equality for all people. I meant shot to the moon
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Aug 14, 2017 17:58
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KomodoWagon posted:I meant shot to the moon An incel colony on the moon - where they will never trouble a woman again? Also a good solution.
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Aug 14, 2017 18:02
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green chicken feet posted:An incel colony on the moon - where they will never trouble a woman again? Also a good solution. I feel like it could even be humane if we just sent steady shipments of food and pornography.
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Aug 14, 2017 18:04
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Literally A Person posted:I feel like it could even be humane if we just sent steady shipments of food and pornography. Send them sex robots. They'll be fine. It will be their own perfect Sci-Fi story.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:21
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joylessdivision posted:Send them sex robots. They'll be fine. It will be their own perfect Sci-Fi story.  There was a thread in GBS that went down the "love doll" rabbit hole a few years ago. I bet there's some overlap with incels.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:22
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spacetoaster posted:
There were at least three, following Kevin Havens and his discount doll harem. One of the greatest tragedies of SA is that images in old threads die, so we lose historical artefacts like Kevin's trapezoidal mouth. Would highly recommend the threads to anyone who hasn't read them though, they're a rollercoaster of laughs and horror.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:29
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AAAAAAAAAAAAA the photos!! Actual family photos with fake women! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2836514/Me-sex-doll-men-love-astonishingly-realistic-mannequins.html Seriously, wasn't someone advocating these things for incels? Might work.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:36
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spacetoaster posted:
Too human. 
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Aug 15, 2017 00:14
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spacetoaster posted:AAAAAAAAAAAAA the photos!! Actual family photos with fake women! All of those dolls trigger incredibly unnerving uncanny valley feelings.
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Aug 15, 2017 00:40
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I recommend against listening to the f plus episode about real dolls (or plush toys). I made that mistake and I don't think I'm going to feel good for a long time.
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Aug 15, 2017 00:57
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spacetoaster posted:AAAAAAAAAAAAA the photos!! Actual family photos with fake women! idk, that seems like a fate that's too cruel for even an object  i mean look at it, it's trying it's best to signal for help 
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Aug 15, 2017 00:58
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Here's another thought I had about incels. What are their demographics? Now they seem to be overwhelmingly young and white. But are there older incels? The ones that don't grow out of the stupid "boohoo the popular kids and girls don't like me, therefore its their fault" poo poo? We know there are at least a few. But what about non-white incels? Forums superstar JonPop would indicate that there is at least one non-white fucktard complaining aboutthe sexual marketplace. And are they rich? Poor? Not to sound all Republican, but none of them seem THAT poor, (they have fridges hehe). And from their whinges their lifetsyles seem to be very middle class and suburban. But are there any children of the gilded rich that hate women the way these arseholes do? (We all know there are huge misogynists, but are there incels?), and on the other hand are there poor incels, who add "femoids won't gently caress me" to the litany of real and properly sad hardships that they face in their daily lives. I guess I am wondering who these people are, and how they manage to stay that way.
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Aug 15, 2017 01:20
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I am guessing probably the majority are privileged white people, and isn't the minecraft guy basically a rich incel? Aside from that there also seems to be a huge amount of internalized racism among those who have said they aren't white. None of that sets foot in incel territory without a heaping helping of misogyny as a defining trait, though. Also, regarding the "even x socially undesirable person can get a partner and I can't" thing, what a person does with it depends on personality. Some take it as a call to better themselves, but a lot just see it as an indictment of how much they suck and should just give up. Incels take it to blaming Stacies and Chads.
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Aug 15, 2017 01:29
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Incel an hero Elliot (RIP he never scored) was half Asian and born to pretty wealthy parents.
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Aug 15, 2017 01:32
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BrigadierSensible posted:Here's another thought I had about incels. What are their demographics? My guess is theyre people with social anxiety or other mental disorders that inhibit social interaction, or maybe body dysmorphia so they really do see themselves as a complete hideous unloavable beast when they look into the mirror. Being isolated will drive you crazy very quickly. The lonliness rattles around, becomes too much to bear, and you invent a conspiracy or a natural way of things to explain why youre so unhappy and alone. I posted about this before but I was a shutin for a good seven years (dont work the night shift if you dont have a life, easy way to get isolated) but I internalized all my hatred instead of throwing it out at everyone around me so I just turned into a self loather. If my brain worked a little differently I could have seen myself fitting in with these people, so ive always had a bit of empathy for them.
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Aug 15, 2017 01:32
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spacetoaster posted:
The "gently caress bitches get money" ethos meshes real well with the "spent $4500 on a RealDoll" contingent of incels.
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Aug 15, 2017 01:56
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BrigadierSensible posted:Here's another thought I had about incels. What are their demographics? I think they must be predominantly middle-class / upper-middle-class and white. So many of them seem coddled and live a lifestyle subsidized by their parents. I think a lot of poor folks hit the "real world" sooner. The whiteness is clear from posts where they refer to minorities as inferior. Also funny because like many hard-core racists, the incels have little to feel good about except skin color - something that occurred through no effort of their own. But they want to pretend it's a virtue.
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Aug 15, 2017 02:23
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spacetoaster posted:
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Don't know if there is a r\redpill thread but I figure all incels, mgtow, and mra's are pretty much the same. US Marines, The Ultimate Betas IHateTheUSMC posted:While putting up with all the bullshit in the Corps I’ve been simultaneously learning about MGTOW (Men Go Their Own Way) and RedPill (choosing to learn the painful truth, as opposed to BluePill, which is embracing that the matrix is real). In the course of it I’d also learned about this outrageous culture of people choosing to like subordinate lives, and found message boards about how joining the military will “take the wimp out of a man,” and make him strong and proud. https://ihatetheusmc.com/us-marines-the-ultimate-beta-males/
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