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open24hours posted:Surely no one actually expected them to say "hey you know what, in certain circumstances it's perfectly fine to just ignore the teachings of the church". actually, yes, i do expect that an organisation's response to horrific child abuse would be to do whatever they can to ensure it never happens again. render unto caesar what is caesar's.
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For this to change it has to come from the top. Local clergy have no ability to change the rules and if they tried they'd be excommunicated.
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Aug 15, 2017 02:45
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Time for another schism. The No Child Abuse Church of Jesus.
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PaletteSwappedNinja posted:How was 4 Corners? Greens MPs attacking other Greens MPs. Not a good look, regardless of the merits of any specific complaints.
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https://twitter.com/skynewsaust/status/897278375147917313 Holy gently caress is this really what they're going with. Incredible
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Aug 15, 2017 03:22
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Lmao. New Zealand hacking. No collusion No you're the puppet
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Aug 15, 2017 03:27
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Anyone from NZ able to chime in on NZ Labor's chances in said upcoming election? Because I for one see nothing wrong with the Labour Movement organising on an international level, much like every single other political movement does.
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Aug 15, 2017 03:33
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Collusion with new Zealand hackers
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Aug 15, 2017 03:36
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What are you giving the New Zealanders for this Bill? Tasmania?
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The Lnp must be at least a little rattled if Bishop is putting out a dumb statement like that and then angrily walking off without taking any questions.
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Aug 15, 2017 03:40
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If the party knew about this mess in advance and still let Barnaby take over for Canavan then lol forever.
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TF2 HAT MINING RIG posted:The Lnp must be at least a little rattled if Bishop is putting out a dumb statement like that and then angrily walking off without taking any questions. Not just her, Pyne's been on Sky News with the same thing: the guardian liveblog posted:“Clearly the Labor party are involved in a conspiracy using a foreign government, in this case New Zealand, the try and bring down the Australian government,” Mr Pyne told Sky News. So in a desperate attempt to shift the focus on to the ALP, the Tory Australian Liberals are hanging off the words of the NZ Labour Opposition and literally accusing Bill of consorting with a Foreign Power. This is just hilariously pathetic.
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Don Dongington posted:Anyone from NZ able to chime in on NZ Labor's chances in said upcoming election? Apparently their chances are fair in so far as forming a coalition government with greens and someone else (like NZ first who I know nothing about, but the name sounds pretty natio). It's slightly less dichotomous over there since I think it's only really national that can form solo governments, but they're a coalition rn.
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Aug 15, 2017 03:56
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Since people were asking about supply & confidence if Baaarnaby goes https://twitter.com/WilkieMP/status/897279568486088705
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Aug 15, 2017 03:57
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Thank goodness the adults are back in charge.
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Aug 15, 2017 03:57
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Blaming Labor has always been the regular Liberal Party response to their problems. I welcome their new and innovative approach.
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Today on the doorstep: "Gay marriage has killed over 100 million people, so I'm voting no"
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Aug 15, 2017 04:05
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If Joyce is found to be ineligible, and the Liberal party knew he was likely to be found ineligible but kept him in there anyway, is there anything that can be done? If it's not illegal it probably should be.
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When the Canavan news first broke I remember seeing a rumour (possibly in this venue) that the issue had longer to run and that Canavan not resigning entirely was a guinea pig tactic. Didn't expect the real target to be CAAAAARP
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My understanding is that if Barnaby is found to be ineligible, and is stood down, then his seat goes to a bi-election. Barnaby could then do the necessary work to remove his NZ citizenship and could still run again for his seat, and I think he won something like 60/40 so there's a very good chance he'd win again. So, even though this makes the government look idiotic, it won't actually change the numbers in the lower house in the long term.
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Not that it'll matter (gently caress I figure he'd be proud of it), but I feel like baselessly accusing your political opponent of treason in parliament should be one of those things you get censured for.
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PotatoManJack posted:My understanding is that if Barnaby is found to be ineligible, and is stood down, then his seat goes to a bi-election. Barnaby could then do the necessary work to remove his NZ citizenship and could still run again for his seat, and I think he won something like 60/40 so there's a very good chance he'd win again. Are the people of NEW England forging of a dirty NEW foreigner being their leader?
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PotatoManJack posted:My understanding is that if Barnaby is found to be ineligible, and is stood down, then his seat goes to a bi-election. Barnaby could then do the necessary work to remove his NZ citizenship and could still run again for his seat, and I think he won something like 60/40 so there's a very good chance he'd win again. I wouldn't necessarily peg his odds as that high. Labor definitely will be expending resources just to knock out the majority, Windsor could come back and claim he could get goodies for the electorate like in the previous hung parliament, also there's the issue of Barnaby's performance in the cabinet which hasn't been stellar and theres been dodgy goings on about water theft? Plus the previous result was from voters thinking the LNP would win, they aren't guaranteed to vote the same way if they know they can hang them. Ora Tzo fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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Ora Tzo posted:I wouldn't necessarily peg his odds as that high. Fair enough points, and looking at the 2016 election results, Windsor got 42.7% on a two party preferred basis. I still think it would be hard for a swing that big , but they could definitely make it very close, and Labor pushing the narrative to focus on Joyce & water would only hurt the LNP who are already struggling to get traction around anything.
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I expect everyone's hurriedly polling New England as we speak.
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Yeah this moving of News Corp staff into the ABC is one of the most aggressive things this government has done. Actually it's probably Malcolm Turnbull's only achievement as Prime Minister when you think about it.
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https://twitter.com/AntonyGreenABC/status/897047116035403776 Hmmm...
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It's almost like transparency is a stated goal of grass roots organisations,
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Must be better ways to promote transparency than going on Four Corners.
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fiery_valkyrie posted:The archbishop of the archdiocese of Melbourne, Denis Hart, said he would risk going to jail rather than report allegations of child sexual abuse raised during confession, and that the sacredness of communication with God during confession should be above the law. I am fine with this man going to jail for ignoring children being raped. open24hours posted:For this to change it has to come from the top. Local clergy have no ability to change the rules and if they tried they'd be excommunicated. Just following orders.
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If you care more about excommunication than preventing children being raped then I'm more than okay with them going to prison.
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Gorilla Salad posted:I am fine with this man going to jail for ignoring children being raped. I'm not trying to excuse it, but it's a fundamental tenet of Catholicism and the idea that the church would just roll over on this is completely implausible.
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Don Dongington posted:It's almost like transparency is a stated goal of grass roots organisations, The comedy debate should never have happened and most definitely never should've been taped. Transparency to stupidity in NSW Greens and Left Renewal was helpful but only in that transparently it needs to go. Tom?
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open24hours posted:I'm not trying to excuse it, but it's a fundamental tenet of Catholicism and the idea that the church would just roll over on this is completely implausible. Just  if you think they would keep their mouths shut if someone came into confession and talked about how they had a plan to assassinate the pope.
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