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Lake of Methane
Oct 29, 2011

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fySoPgHITeY

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MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...


Here, we see the C-5 in its natural habitat.

SeaborneClink
Aug 27, 2010

MAWP... MAWP!

MrYenko posted:

Here, we see the C-5 in its natural habitat.

That doesn't look like a hanger at Andersen at all :confused:

ehnus
Apr 16, 2003

Now you're thinking with portals!

SeaborneClink posted:

That doesn't look like a hanger at Andersen at all :confused:

Pretty sure the C-5's aren't breaking down in Guam right now.

Rota, on the other hand...

slothrop
Dec 7, 2006

Santa Alpha, Fox One... Gifts Incoming ~~~>===|>

Soiled Meat
Here's a neat little story about high altitude intercepts over Britain in WWII

http://planehunters.com/63-2

Duke Chin
Jan 11, 2002

Roger That:
MILK CRATES INBOUND

:siren::siren::siren::siren:
- FUCK THE HABS -

ehnus posted:

Pretty sure the C-5's aren't breaking down in Guam right now.

The phrase "huh, look at the time..." was suddenly heard uttered by multiple C-5 crews down for maintenance.

spookykid
Apr 28, 2006

I am an awkward fellow
after all
"Sir but if you just reset this breaker it will clear that faul-" *sounds of a thousand hands slapping heard*

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
When I was on a crew that loaded up 15 C-5s with equipment many years back, almost zero of them had mechanical issues in El Paso, TX. Then an active duty crew showed up, and 3 of the crew members either were from El Paso or had family there. That fucker was broken for a week. A whole lot of the others broke down in Rota. One unlucky bastard actually for real broke down for about a week in Bangor, Maine.

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

I know this bit of audio has been posted before, perhaps this 2015 upload as well, but I hadn't come across this particular one before. It's the legendary Lancaster recording, but more clips! Essen, Stettin and Berlin the video says, I had only heard the Berlin one before with "try to be on this one Jimmy", "he's come down" etc. Fantastic! I wonder if there are more but perhaps these are all. I suppose a tape recorder plugged into the intercom wasn't exactly common back then.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MF5_hvE4WEA

Ola fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Aug 12, 2017

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Ohh-Kaayyyyyy

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

slothrop posted:

Here's a neat little story about high altitude intercepts over Britain in WWII

http://planehunters.com/63-2

e:nm

killing 48 people with one bomb dropped from 40,000 ft is pretty impressive

Nebakenezzer fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Aug 12, 2017

Kilonum
Sep 30, 2002

You know where you are? You're in the suburbs, baby. You're gonna drive.

mlmp08 posted:

One unlucky bastard actually for real broke down for about a week in Bangor, Maine.

Bangor is nice in seasons that don't end in "er"

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/TheAnonJournal/status/896504127378870273

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007




Oh hell yes.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

How how large of a bird can helicopters hit and survive? Seems like it would've had to have been a pretty big drone? Or had an explosive or something?

um excuse me
Jan 1, 2016

by Fluffdaddy
No one says why a drone is suspected to have brought down the aircraft. They "confirm" it with an AP article that mentions the helicopter crash without mentioning the drone and then spend the remaining 80% of the article talking about the car crash. So basically it's a rumor that could be based on speculation. Alternatively, garbage can words.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

hobbesmaster posted:

How how large of a bird can helicopters hit and survive? Seems like it would've had to have been a pretty big drone? Or had an explosive or something?

Depends on if it hits the meat in the seat or not. Taking a bird to the face at ~90kts will ruin your whole loving day.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


um excuse me posted:

No one says why a drone is suspected to have brought down the aircraft. They "confirm" it with an AP article that mentions the helicopter crash without mentioning the drone and then spend the remaining 80% of the article talking about the car crash. So basically it's a rumor that could be based on speculation. Alternatively, garbage can words.

Excuse me but I won't have you sullying garbage cans by implying both the Drone Chat and crash speculation this thread is renowned for are anywhere near that lofty level.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

I'd totally buy improper maneuvering to avoid the drone resulting in VRS though.

um excuse me
Jan 1, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Finger Prince posted:

Excuse me but I won't have you sullying garbage cans by implying both the Drone Chat and crash speculation this thread is renowned for are anywhere near that lofty level.

Bathroom sounds then.

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


Here's my hot take: it's a loving helicopter. It caught a power line and destroyed itself. Whether there was a drone or not is inconsequential. It's always the power lines that get them.

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Helicopters are like horses.

"Oh, poor ol' JetRanger, thought of ants and died"

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/patrickmwilson/status/896534602692534272

Finger Prince
Jan 5, 2007


MrChips posted:

Helicopters are like horses.

"Oh, poor ol' JetRanger, thought of ants and died"

If there was a drone, it only crashed because it mistook it for a plastic bag in a nearby tree.

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

hobbesmaster posted:

I'd totally buy improper maneuvering to avoid the drone resulting in VRS though.

VRS typically results from a powered on, high ROD descent. Maneuvering won't really get you there...an evasive maneuver in a helicopter is a firm cyclic movement.

If a drone/bird hit rotating controls on a helicopter, depending on the angle and speed, it could spell disaster. I've taken several birds before, large and small...nothing ever to rotating controls. Most of the birds I've hit I never even knew I did until post flight.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Bob A Feet posted:

VRS typically results from a powered on, high ROD descent. Maneuvering won't really get you there...an evasive maneuver in a helicopter is a firm cyclic movement.

If a drone/bird hit rotating controls on a helicopter, depending on the angle and speed, it could spell disaster. I've taken several birds before, large and small...nothing ever to rotating controls. Most of the birds I've hit I never even knew I did until post flight.

I was thinking what would happen if he slammed the collective for whatever reason.

Sagebrush
Feb 26, 2012

babyeatingpsychopath posted:

Cessna just put a cut-off pushbroom in the well and the wheel hits that and stops.

I love opening up a product and discovering these ultra-simple solutions that some clever anonymous engineer came up with many years ago.

I think my favorite was probably when I was a teenager and I pulled apart a broken discman. It had that nice smooth damped lid action, where you'd press the eject button and the lid would slowly rise over a few seconds. I was expecting to find some kind of little pneumatic gas spring, or maybe a gear and a flywheel, even a tiny motor? But it turned out to be completely passive -- a curved gear rack on the lid, and a small plastic pinion in the base connected to nothing. The lid was just pushed open with a spring, and the source of the lovely damping and slow rise turned out to be just a smear of heavy grease between the gear teeth, preventing them from spinning too fast.

Bob A Feet
Aug 10, 2005
Dear diary, I got another erection today at work. SO embarrassing, but kinda hot. The CO asked me to fix up his dress uniform. I had stayed late at work to move his badges 1/8" to the left and pointed it out this morning. 1SG spanked me while the CO watched, once they caught it. Tomorrow I get to start all over again...

hobbesmaster posted:

I was thinking what would happen if he slammed the collective for whatever reason.

From a hover to slow forward flight...its possible. You're most susceptible to it at 40 knots or less, high rate of descent, sustained descent. Bonus points if you're heavy. Anything higher than that, in simple terms, you're just going to fly out of the wake.

Comrade Gorbash
Jul 12, 2011

My paper soldiers form a wall, five paces thick and twice as tall.

Sagebrush posted:

I love opening up a product and discovering these ultra-simple solutions that some clever anonymous engineer came up with many years ago.

I think my favorite was probably when I was a teenager and I pulled apart a broken discman. It had that nice smooth damped lid action, where you'd press the eject button and the lid would slowly rise over a few seconds. I was expecting to find some kind of little pneumatic gas spring, or maybe a gear and a flywheel, even a tiny motor? But it turned out to be completely passive -- a curved gear rack on the lid, and a small plastic pinion in the base connected to nothing. The lid was just pushed open with a spring, and the source of the lovely damping and slow rise turned out to be just a smear of heavy grease between the gear teeth, preventing them from spinning too fast.

You know you're an engineer when you get excited about finding a captive pin in a device that might need to be disassembled in the field for repair.

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

So when it comes to my Amerika bomber posts....would it surprise you to learn that for large aircraft and the Nazis 1943 was 1) extremely chaotic and 2) super complected?

I'm having to sit down now and make a flow chart just so I can understand were the He 177 family is going

PhotoKirk
Jul 2, 2007

insert witty text here

Nebakenezzer posted:


I'm having to sit down now and make a flow chart just so I can understand were the He 177 family is going

Usually downwards, quickly, in flames.

Acid Reflux
Oct 18, 2004

mlmp08 posted:

One unlucky bastard actually for real broke down for about a week in Bangor, Maine.

Kilonum posted:

Bangor is nice in seasons that don't end in "er"
Meh, Springer and Autumner really aren't all that splendid either lots of times. Still trying to remember why I initially moved back up here, but I actually like my job too much now to worry about moving away again anytime soon.

-sent from my office at KBGR

Pepperoneedy
Apr 27, 2007

Rockin' it



Can any enterprising aviation historians here tell me what this little tyke of a plane is? I found it in my workplace's archive, chilling next to (well, underneath really) the Douglas XB-19

StandardVC10
Feb 6, 2007

This avatar now 50% more dark mode compliant

Pepperoneedy posted:

Can any enterprising aviation historians here tell me what this little tyke of a plane is? I found it in my workplace's archive, chilling next to (well, underneath really) the Douglas XB-19



Not sure but I'm kind of getting a Culver Cadet vibe.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Culver Cadet

EFB

Pepperoneedy
Apr 27, 2007

Rockin' it



StandardVC10 posted:

Not sure but I'm kind of getting a Culver Cadet vibe.

That's it! Thank's y'all

Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

PhotoKirk posted:

Usually downwards, quickly, in flames.

Future design revisions made sure the wings could take four or six engines as a standard feature

[note: I read this in one place so if it is crazy/wrong please let me know.]

I've also read that the SAS actually staged a commando raid to secure a working He 177 (early 1944 there was a 'baby blitz' against London - not against any D-Day staging area or port - as a 'vengeance raid' against the Allies for their bombing attacks, of which the He 177 flew some missions for.) So this is what the SAS did in November 1944:

- Identified some He 177s sitting at an air field in Toulouse, France
- Flew a Hudson transport with a prize crew, escorted by two Beaufighters, to Toulouse
- Landed, stole a He 177, but not before some French mechanics warned the pilots that the He 177 had a reputation as a handful
- Flew back to England without incident

Duke Chin
Jan 11, 2002

Roger That:
MILK CRATES INBOUND

:siren::siren::siren::siren:
- FUCK THE HABS -

MrChips posted:

Helicopters are like horses.

"Oh, poor ol' JetRanger, thought of ants and died"

As a self-diagnosed helicopter nerd ball & lover this poo poo made me laugh pretty hard. :golfclap:

slothrop
Dec 7, 2006

Santa Alpha, Fox One... Gifts Incoming ~~~>===|>

Soiled Meat

Nebakenezzer posted:

Future design revisions made sure the wings could take four or six engines as a standard feature

[note: I read this in one place so if it is crazy/wrong please let me know.]

I've also read that the SAS actually staged a commando raid to secure a working He 177 (early 1944 there was a 'baby blitz' against London - not against any D-Day staging area or port - as a 'vengeance raid' against the Allies for their bombing attacks, of which the He 177 flew some missions for.) So this is what the SAS did in November 1944:

- Identified some He 177s sitting at an air field in Toulouse, France
- Flew a Hudson transport with a prize crew, escorted by two Beaufighters, to Toulouse
- Landed, stole a He 177, but not before some French mechanics warned the pilots that the He 177 had a reputation as a handful
- Flew back to England without incident

I cannot wait to find out more about this

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mllaneza
Apr 28, 2007

Veteran, Bermuda Triangle Expeditionary Force, 1993-1952




Nebakenezzer posted:

I've also read that the SAS actually staged a commando raid to secure a working He 177 (early 1944 there was a 'baby blitz' against London - not against any D-Day staging area or port - as a 'vengeance raid' against the Allies for their bombing attacks, of which the He 177 flew some missions for.) So this is what the SAS did in November 1944:

You can't officially count the English as participating in a war if there wasn't at least one cutting out expedition.

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