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the black husserl posted:The WW2 memorial should be an animated clockwork statue that roams the world on a neverending hunt for Nazi blood. Anything else is cowardice something like this? 
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That seems to be really minor complaints about it looking "vainglorious" and not actual ethical problems or anything.
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evilweasel posted:why is the new york times so consistently terrible To be fair, he then goes on to say those points are bullshit. Then he fucks it up by trying to tie it to Obama: https://twitter.com/emmaroller/status/897511876808105987
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:That seems to be really minor complaints about it looking "vainglorious" and not actual ethical problems or anything. I'm pretty sure the original poster was complaining on how long it took to build one.
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And the first reply to his tweet makes me want to break a bottle and slash a mother fucker.
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evilweasel posted:why is the new york times so consistently terrible Just to be clear, he's not actually saying those things are true (huh what could the muderer's motivation be  ), he's just trying to draw a line to Islamist terrorism. Except, last I checked, we don't tolerate open Islamist rallies or public statues in our country, and if most Americans saw an actual, self-confessed Islamist jihadi, they would also punch them in the face.So yeah, keep punching Nazis and Islamists, just don't punch normal patriots or normal Muslims. Sound good?
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DaveWoo posted:To be fair, he then goes on to say those points are bullshit. Then he fucks it up by trying to tie it to Obama: He was hired to give Hot Takes and boy is he coming through.
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the black husserl posted:The dump trucks are there to prevent a car bombing and I'm really glad of it, cause it would really be lovely if a car bomb went off in NYC. It's not the trucks themselves. It's the lengths we're going to to facilitate Trump's vacation to his personal monument to his own vanity.
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DaveWoo posted:To be fair, he then goes on to say those points are bullshit. Then he fucks it up by trying to tie it to Obama: huh yeah i should have checked it first still a stupid as gently caress column but stupid for a different reason than i assume
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Mozi posted:He was hired to give Hot Takes and boy is he coming through. Yeah, the NY Times really covered itself in glory by hiring him.
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Owlofcreamcheese posted:That seems to be really minor complaints about it looking "vainglorious" and not actual ethical problems or anything. he didn't say it had ethical problems, he said it was a national embarrassment for completely different reasons which in context means not for ethical reasons
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evilweasel posted:he didn't say it had ethical problems, he said it was a national embarrassment for completely different reasons which in context means not for ethical reasons I can understand someone assuming any American monument has ethical issues.
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To address these posts: Trabisnikof posted:What's your source that Milk liked younger men and had sex with a 16 year old? Is it just wikipedia? Azhais posted:https://www.amazon.com/Mayor-Castro-Street-Stonewall-Editions/dp/0312019009 Krispy Kareem posted:What's your source that he didn't? It's probably just as reliable as Wikipedia. I have read that book, albeit on audio. It's a legitimate biography, and a good read. And yes, Harvey Milk had relationships with younger men, and with teenaged boys who were under the age of consent. That's how it was at the time, and frankly, that was the least of it. This was a period in which gay teens and young adults could find security and emotional support in sexual relationships with established gay adults - the quote from his first lover listed in that Wikipedia article, Joe Campbell, is "Basically, Harvey selected me, and I was in the market to be selected." Hell, the production of full-blown child pornography was, briefly, legal in some countries. Standards were different, especially for LGBT people who were literally trying to survive. We can accept that figures we respect, like Harvey Milk, did things we would now condemn, like having a troubled relationship with a 16 year old.
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Fitzy Fitz posted:It's not the trucks themselves. It's the lengths we're going to to facilitate Trump's vacation to his personal monument to his own vanity. I agree, it's disgusting to watch Trump spend taxpayer's money on vacations. But please hate the truck driver, not the truck. 
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https://twitter.com/kwilli1046/status/897261008695283712 https://twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/897514765253312512 https://twitter.com/SimonMaloy/status/897515484047962112
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Chilichimp posted:And the first reply to his tweet makes me want to break a bottle and slash a mother fucker. If it makes you feel better, Twitter only makes that the first reply because it generated further discussion, most of which is condemning it. There are positive comments below with more likes & RTs 
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https://twitter.com/mehdirhasan/status/897508363025756162 A good history https://twitter.com/JohnArchibald/status/897498775861608448 Also, for some unknown reason GOP primary turnout is WAY down.
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Gort posted:Maybe Trump is loading up the US gold supply before he flees the country I want you to know I love this reference and glad I wasn't the only one who thought of it.
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factually incorrect - dude is probably looking at a map of historical markers, which often have nothing to do with the civil war here's the article dude is using http://www.slate.com/articles/news_...union_ones.html and slate being slate, they're using a database of all historical markers in the us that have anything to do with the civil war https://www.hmdb.org/results.asp?FilterTown=&FilterCounty=&FilterState=&FilterCountry=&CategoryID=15 which is disingenuous as a sign that says "a thing happened here" is not analogous to a confederate memorial boner confessor fucked around with this message at 18:56 on Aug 15, 2017 |
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boner confessor posted:factually incorrect - dude is probably looking at a map of historical markers, which often have nothing to do with the civil war How do you know it's factually incorrect if you're only able to say what he's probably looking at?
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Chilichimp posted:And the first reply to his tweet makes me want to break a bottle and slash a mother fucker. Syntax of that one screams "bot."
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boner confessor posted:factually incorrect - dude is probably looking at a map of historical markers, which often have nothing to do with the civil war It is true, however, that the use of Confederate imagery rose significantly during the Civil Rights Era as a reaction against civil rights.
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crime fighting hog posted:I want you to know I love this reference and glad I wasn't the only one who thought of it. And who was Trump's enemy. John
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evilweasel posted:https://twitter.com/danpfeiffer/status/897507937165361152 Who should we root for if we want an improbable Dem pickup? I.e., who is the weakest candidate?
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There Bias Two posted:How do you know it's factually incorrect if you're only able to say what he's probably looking at? i updated my post, please check again
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Shifty Pony posted:I find it very reassuring that the rally wasn't just Virginia Nazis, it was a significant chunk of the entire Nazi population of the United States. Ohio has a massive loving cultural problem that is the result of a complicated set of interwoven circumstances. To simplify greatly Ohio cities all grew into one trick ponies that all serviced a particular industry and almost nothing else (Youngstown did Steel, Akron/Barberton did Rubber, Toledo did glass, etc etc.) The jobs that resulted from this were largely the sort of manufacturing jobs that make it nearly impossible to be involved in any practical level with your family, leading to the average Ohio parent having little involvement with their children/families lives. (When these industries collapsed nothing rose to replace them except despair.) Exacerbating this problem is the fact that more than any other population center Ohio has been constructed in its entirety with the assumption that every single resident will have a car. (In the 50's-60's there was a widely lauded effort in many parts of the state to remove public transportation as a way of forcing car ownership). The entire state has no public transport to speak of while at the same time being a wasteland of gigantic empty parking lots and no sidewalks to get around anywhere. This has resulted in making it financially prohibitive for the average Ohoian to maintain meaningful social relationships because ever since the early 2000's very few Ohioans can afford the gas to travel to social engagements. (Not an exaggeration). As a result the social culture in Ohio has long been toxic as gently caress and getting worse every year and as one would expect in this situation; has resulted in a multi-decade brain drain, as being an intellectual in Ohio is a lonely road of destitution and endless social isolation. In point of fact the brain drain has been so dramatic that in the 2010 census Ohio lost two Congressional seats. There was actually enough of a disapora of Ohioans fleeing the state during the great recession that it resulted in some cultural pushback from the cities that suddenly found themselves swamped in socially dysfunctional Ohions. For example you have this article from 2007 about a South Carolina website that urges Ohions to "go back to Ohio". (Italics in original) An interview by the website creator with the Columbus Dispatch posted:
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crime fighting hog posted:I want you to know I love this reference and glad I wasn't the only one who thought of it. It's a good reference but it wasn't the US gold supply, it's mostly the gold of other countries and NGOs 
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Condoleeza Rice has always been the worst and owns a fair bit of the blame for letting 9/11 happen.
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Pakled posted:It is true, however, that the use of Confederate imagery rose significantly during the Civil Rights Era as a reaction against civil rights. that is true, however notice how there are a shitload of markers in the state of georgia? georgia in the early 1950s had a big emphasis on historic markers of all kinds, not just the civil war - tho the war was easily the most significant aspect of georgia history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Historical_Commission so you can't really blame a state for caring too much about history here also the dude's portrayal of that map is evidently false because look at the number of "confederate memorials" in indiana and ohio
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boner confessor posted:factually incorrect - dude is probably looking at a map of historical markers, which often have nothing to do with the civil war That doesn't make it factually incorrect, just maybe misleading. What percentage of Civil War monuments are about the Confederacy is a better question? boner confessor posted:that is true, however notice how there are a shitload of markers in the state of georgia? georgia in the early 1950s had a big emphasis on historic markers of all kinds, not just the civil war - tho the war was easily the most significant aspect of georgia history Both the article and the Database you linked highlight that they are specifically focused on Civil War monuments.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:
What's the result we're hoping for with this primary exactly?
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Trabisnikof posted:Oh it totally will. Part of the insidious nature of our education system is how we use the concept of "local control of education" as a backdoor to racist and classist educational policies. DeVos will only accelerate that since the federal Department of Education already had limited control over education and she'll release districts from what control they had. Yeah but the current bunch of racist assholes is mostly average to well educated white males, not the poor ones. Im just trying to remember that quote about education being one of the best ways to combat ignorance and figure out why its so wrong this time.
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axeil posted:Who should we root for if we want an improbable Dem pickup? I.e., who is the weakest candidate? (if he hits 50%+1 there won't even be a runoff) e: and yes, it's THAT Roy Moore, if you're thinking "the judge who was removed from his position twice?"
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evilweasel posted:i should note that the national review whitewashes lee and the confederacy in its editorial, of course, beginning with the idea that robert lee wouldn't have approved of white supremacists From everything I've read on him, Lee was a surprisingly moderate confederate, the only slaves he owned were, iirc, inherited from a relative (his uncle?), even though he never freed them, he didn't like, go out of his way to have a bigass plantation, and he certainly didn't want to be seen as an emblem for The Lost Cause. Him being used as a symbol today speaks more to an attempt to rewrite history to favor white southerners, than anything else.
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axeil posted:Who should we root for if we want an improbable Dem pickup? I.e., who is the weakest candidate? Moore, who is expected to place first. The question is if he can get to 50%, and if not, if Brooks or Strange place second. The democratic primary has a separate problem: there's a strong candidate who has endorsements from everyone relevant, and a guy nobody really knows anything about named "Robert Kennedy" The fact the other guy's name is "Robert Kennedy" is believed to be the reason he placed first in the only poll of the democratic primary that was taken.
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axeil posted:Who should we root for if we want an improbable Dem pickup? I.e., who is the weakest candidate? There is no good outcome here. The Democratic candidate is a dark horse African American named Robert F. Kennedy Jr., who nobody had heard of before this cycle. Republican political machines in southern states have a history of running spoiler African-american candidates in Democratic primaries to throw off any possible opposition before the general race -- see Alvin Greene -- and I suspect that's what happened here too.
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The densest concentration of markers on the map is along Sherman's route into Georgia, heading toward Atlanta. It's definitely more complex than just "here's a map of racist statues."
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