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the bitcoin of weed posted:he was apparently assaulted in the loving police station parking lot which tells you exactly how invested the cops are in doing anything about it I'm not an expert on local history, but from my perspective, Charlottesville/UVA is better than many people might assume when it comes to confronting Thomas Jefferson's racism. What's a lot harder is confronting the contemporary legacy of racism. The Lee statue is a focal point because it was very deliberately placed near the courthouse and at the intersection of historically segregated neighbourhoods to send an intimidating message to the black population of Charlottesville.
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the bitcoin of weed posted:he was apparently assaulted in the loving police station parking lot which tells you exactly how invested the cops are in doing anything about it  There's two lines on Market street that you can see, the one on the right is just outside of where the attack happened.
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Aug 16, 2017 02:34
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  these are the people we elected. how bad do you have to be to need to hire someone else to make your decisions for you?
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Aug 16, 2017 04:55
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How can you possibly validate his nonsense call to war or whatever by meeting him to discuss loving terms. How much longer will we have to make excuses for this embarrassment.
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Aug 16, 2017 05:05
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Is the NPC just afraid of making any decision that might upset anyone? Just like at the start, this sounds like they want a reason to keep Fetonte on, but they're afraid of the backlash.
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Aug 16, 2017 05:11
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GunnerJ posted:How can you possibly validate his nonsense call to war or whatever by meeting him to discuss loving terms. How can people go on inquisitions from a Twitter scandal and go slack jawed when the dude gets upset? Like yeah Danny hosed up but he didn't really cast the first stone here
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Aug 16, 2017 05:16
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quote:Section 7. An NPC member may be removed for malfeasance or nonfeasance by a two-thirds vote of the NPC, with nonfeasance defined to include unexcused absences from two or more consecutive meetings. Maybe they don't have a 2/3 majority? I'm not sure if even a 2/3 majority of this thread could agree he was malfeasant. (no one has to respond to tell me that they think that, I already know who we are)
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Aug 16, 2017 05:18
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Business Gorillas posted:How can people go on inquisitions from a Twitter scandal and go slack jawed when the dude gets upset? Nobody is "slack jawed when the dude gets upset." I'm slack jawed that his textual temper tantrum didn't immediately get him the boot.
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GunnerJ posted:Nobody is "slack jawed when the dude gets upset." I'm slack jawed that his textual temper tantrum didn't immediately get him the boot. That's fair. Id normally agree on that but considering the context of his tantrum (getting his entire career questioned by 25 year old twitterers), I'm willing to give a little bit of latitude to an old union guy for not having proper online etiquette. With that being said, I think he should resign but I don't know all of the details and kicking out a NPC immediately after your first major election isn't something that should be handled lightly EDIT: I also agree with his rant that national has done a really lovely job with this in general Business Gorillas has issued a correction as of 05:34 on Aug 16, 2017 |
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Aug 16, 2017 05:32
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we could probably answer these questions if the NPC actually bothered to have a transparent investigation like they said they were gonna do instead of the hilarious bullshit they've done instead i mean they literally could not answer a direct question from Danny in front of the Texas leadership on whether or not they told him to stay quiet during the investigation, instead just saying "well if we did it wasn't a binding request" the same call they were using to find out which Texas chapters were anti-Danny (none) and then let a guy filibuster it for 10 minutes so
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Aug 16, 2017 05:37
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basically what i'm saying is lol the NPC is so bad, fire them all EDIT: into the sun
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Aug 16, 2017 05:38
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hell they didn't want to deal with having to make any decisions on Danny so they just sat there hoping he'd resign instead of being Danny, an old stubborn and ornery labour organizer. instead they just let insiders and outsiders attack Texas chapters with impunity and saying nothing to try to stop it, people have been phoning Danny's family with death threats and they still won't say anything. kinda feels like they were hoping someone would solve the Danny problem for them but that didn't happen so whoops gotta hire someone to make our decisions for us! A+ leadership skills
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Aug 16, 2017 05:55
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Syndlig posted:hell they didn't want to deal with having to make any decisions on Danny so they just sat there hoping he'd resign instead of being Danny, an old stubborn and ornery labour organizer. apparently even socialism is no match for ~decorum~
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Aug 16, 2017 05:57
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i mean one of the big reasons why everything sucks rn is that there's no real consequences for those in power, and sure just repeat that mistake why not
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Aug 16, 2017 05:58
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ChickenOfTomorrow posted:i am conflicted because mediation is good, but this statement is one more of those indicators that the NPC doesnt have the balls to do the needful not my phone, mine's at 57% right now edit: 56% surfacelevelspeck has issued a correction as of 06:02 on Aug 16, 2017 |
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Aug 16, 2017 05:59
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danny was the mastermind agent of the anti-centralization caucus because now this NPC ain't getting anything done until the next election
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Aug 16, 2017 06:23
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Jesus, what a clusterfuck.
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Aug 16, 2017 06:37
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Didn't the LSC have a policy position about official recalls? It's a pretty good example of why that would have been a good idea.
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Aug 16, 2017 06:48
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just use the master email list to send out a nationwide poll tyranny of the majority
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Aug 16, 2017 07:09
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Shear Modulus posted:danny was the mastermind agent of the anti-centralization caucus because now this NPC ain't getting anything done until the next election IDK if they would've gotten anything done anyway, given how they've handled this.
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Aug 16, 2017 11:07
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turns out texans are all stubborn assholes who saw that coming im sure a mediator wil fix this lol
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Aug 16, 2017 11:44
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https://twitter.com/pghDSA/status/897675243862544384 Ah poo poo its going do- https://twitter.com/slopittsburgh/status/897710230808780800
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achillesforever6 posted:https://twitter.com/pghDSA/status/897675243862544384 This, however, is good... very, very good.
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Aug 16, 2017 12:27
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tx special session ended without passing the public sector union busting bill (please no comment ace of baes the mediator is handling this), this is very good for the moment. abbot doesn't have the sunset bill excuse to call them back so hopefully it's dead for now.
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Aug 16, 2017 12:48
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just ignore him and move on, it's 1 guy who has very little power. he's easily sidelined. is it worth tearing the organization apart over? imo, no it's not. like, i understand why people want him out, and i can definitely sympathize, but i just don't see the material benefit here other than a purely symbolic desire?
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Karl Barks posted:i just don't see the material benefit here other than a purely symbolic desire? welcome to leftism. here's a newspaper
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The material benefit is that it removes a hinderance to recruitment, especially among minority groups where we ought to be expanding.
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Raskolnikov38 posted:welcome to leftism. here's a newspaper legit, people are more interested in the internal fight than working towards an external goal it seems. great now i'm freddie deboer look at what you all have done
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an actual dog posted:The material benefit is that it removes a hinderance to recruitment, especially among minority groups where we ought to be expanding. he has no power, he can barely do anything. you're pre-supposing a hindrance to recruitment before there even is one, and it remains to be seen if this will have literally any affect. I think DSA members being injured in a clash with literal nazis is going to be play more of a role in people's mind than 1 old dude on a 16(?) person leadership board.
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lol if you still believe in perfect leaders, tbh. there are no heroes, all your favs are problematic.
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so, noobish question, what's the 'term in office' time for the NPC? if there is one set right now?
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an actual dog posted:The material benefit is that it removes a hinderance to recruitment, especially among minority groups where we ought to be expanding. If someone looks at DSA members getting hospitalized and arrested for direct action against white supremacy and decides not to join because one member of a 16 person NPC did work with CLEAT for a couple months, they weren't really a comrade anyways
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Like Jesus Christ lol DSA chapters are tearing down confederate statues and bullying white supremacists into cancelling their events and all you guys can do is whine about 3 week old drama?
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Iridium posted:so, noobish question, what's the 'term in office' time for the NPC? if there is one set right now? Two years So nothing's getting done on a national level for 2 years lol
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Shear Modulus posted:Two years Oh I dunno, we have a few hundred recruitment drives/statue removal events lined up at the moment. That can occupy us for a while.
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Shear Modulus posted:Two years cool thank you for your contribution
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Business Gorillas posted:Like Jesus Christ lol DSA chapters are tearing down confederate statues and bullying white supremacists into cancelling their events and all you guys can do is whine about 3 week old drama? Speaking of, Sept. 2 white supremacists are coming to Austin and planning to hold an armed march on the capitol, where there is a rally of SB4 protesters. Since this is permitted, the cops will be protecting them. It also starts outside the county jail. If you're able to come down to Austin and are arrestable or have medic skills, please keep an ear out. We're trying to get their permit rescinded, and hopefully even failing that it'll be like the June march where it was 50 fascists hiding behind a wall of cops for 3 hours. We've already got like potentially 4k counter-protesters going. If they try to make a big showing, it's going to be very bad for them. https://www.facebook.com/events/124594538169042/ surfacelevelspeck has issued a correction as of 14:44 on Aug 16, 2017 |
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